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"Not Scotland" - What are STV Playing At? (Part 2)
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p_c_u_k
12-11-2011
Ooh, the vitriol on this thread has really ramped up, hasn't it? God, I remain the good old days when this just used to be complaining about network programming not being shown in Scotland. Now most of that's been fixed, we're now complaining about everything.

Personally speaking I think STV's news is superior to BBC Scotland and punches well above its weight given its far smaller resources. Plus it's been able to provide local news programmes for Glasgow, Edinburgh and the north, and opt-outs in the former Grampian regions. I know it's a slightly better deal in the central belt, but more people live down there, and it's more than the Beeb is doing, surely? Or how about you compare it to ITV PLC? If they took over tomorrow, I'm quite sure you'd find a single Scottish news programme is the best you would get. ITV would lobby on the basis that that is all the BBC provides and get it. Careful what you wish for.

On the question of international football, are England games really as good value for STV as they are for the ITV PLC regions? Also, they often clash with the live showing of Scottish games, which means STV would get about five people watching. You could argue that would be the case with some of the stuff they replace it with, but at least that doesn't cost as much.

Trashy commissions? Well yes, but they are a commercial company. They exist to make money. What do you want them to do? If that's where the demand exists (and by demand I mean 'what people want to see') then that's what they have to provide. It's like all these people who complain about the tabloids and then buy them in their droves. STV is again providing way more than it has to in terms of intelligent programming through its news coverage, both with bulletins and with Scotland Tonight, which is far better than I expected. Again, there is no obligation on them to do so.

The Nightshift show may not be fantastic, but again it's more than ITV stations down south provide. If you want QVC instead then be my guest. Also, as far as I understood it there were at least two regional versions, maybe more, at one point. This may have changed though.

Anyway, I understand some of the frustrations, I really do. However I've heard so many complaints about ITV stations all being exactly the same, with the same idents and programmes, and when one station breaks away it gets slated. I don't think they're doing too badly.
seiko456
12-11-2011
At least someone who is speaking since, How STV can sort out the mess with the programme....
supersaint1
12-11-2011
Originally Posted by p_c_u_k:
“Ooh, the vitriol on this thread has really ramped up, hasn't it? God, I remain the good old days when this just used to be complaining about network programming not being shown in Scotland. Now most of that's been fixed, we're now complaining about everything.

Personally speaking I think STV's news is superior to BBC Scotland and punches well above its weight given its far smaller resources. Plus it's been able to provide local news programmes for Glasgow, Edinburgh and the north, and opt-outs in the former Grampian regions. I know it's a slightly better deal in the central belt, but more people live down there, and it's more than the Beeb is doing, surely? Or how about you compare it to ITV PLC? If they took over tomorrow, I'm quite sure you'd find a single Scottish news programme is the best you would get. ITV would lobby on the basis that that is all the BBC provides and get it. Careful what you wish for.

On the question of international football, are England games really as good value for STV as they are for the ITV PLC regions? Also, they often clash with the live showing of Scottish games, which means STV would get about five people watching. You could argue that would be the case with some of the stuff they replace it with, but at least that doesn't cost as much.

Trashy commissions? Well yes, but they are a commercial company. They exist to make money. What do you want them to do? If that's where the demand exists (and by demand I mean 'what people want to see') then that's what they have to provide. It's like all these people who complain about the tabloids and then buy them in their droves. STV is again providing way more than it has to in terms of intelligent programming through its news coverage, both with bulletins and with Scotland Tonight, which is far better than I expected. Again, there is no obligation on them to do so.

The Nightshift show may not be fantastic, but again it's more than ITV stations down south provide. If you want QVC instead then be my guest. Also, as far as I understood it there were at least two regional versions, maybe more, at one point. This may have changed though.

Anyway, I understand some of the frustrations, I really do. However I've heard so many complaints about ITV stations all being exactly the same, with the same idents and programmes, and when one station breaks away it gets slated. I don't think they're doing too badly.”

Fair point but it seems you are in the minority. If Stv are doing so well, how come they have ONLY 2 out of the 52 nominations at tomorrow's Bafta Scotland Awards??
The Industry like the public do not rate them either.
kezo
12-11-2011
Originally Posted by p_c_u_k:
“Ooh, the vitriol on this thread has really ramped up, hasn't it? God, I remain the good old days when this just used to be complaining about network programming not being shown in Scotland. Now most of that's been fixed, we're now complaining about everything.

Personally speaking I think STV's news is superior to BBC Scotland and punches well above its weight given its far smaller resources. Plus it's been able to provide local news programmes for Glasgow, Edinburgh and the north, and opt-outs in the former Grampian regions. I know it's a slightly better deal in the central belt, but more people live down there, and it's more than the Beeb is doing, surely? Or how about you compare it to ITV PLC? If they took over tomorrow, I'm quite sure you'd find a single Scottish news programme is the best you would get. ITV would lobby on the basis that that is all the BBC provides and get it. Careful what you wish for.

On the question of international football, are England games really as good value for STV as they are for the ITV PLC regions? Also, they often clash with the live showing of Scottish games, which means STV would get about five people watching. You could argue that would be the case with some of the stuff they replace it with, but at least that doesn't cost as much.

Trashy commissions? Well yes, but they are a commercial company. They exist to make money. What do you want them to do? If that's where the demand exists (and by demand I mean 'what people want to see') then that's what they have to provide. It's like all these people who complain about the tabloids and then buy them in their droves. STV is again providing way more than it has to in terms of intelligent programming through its news coverage, both with bulletins and with Scotland Tonight, which is far better than I expected. Again, there is no obligation on them to do so.

The Nightshift show may not be fantastic, but again it's more than ITV stations down south provide. If you want QVC instead then be my guest. Also, as far as I understood it there were at least two regional versions, maybe more, at one point. This may have changed though.

Anyway, I understand some of the frustrations, I really do. However I've heard so many complaints about ITV stations all being exactly the same, with the same idents and programmes, and when one station breaks away it gets slated. I don't think they're doing too badly.”

I had to read this a few times you make fair points however
the STV News has always been like that STV North(formerly Grampian) has always had its news (nothing new there) the only difference STV have gave Edinburgh and Glasgow its own news .. the Grampian area still "splits" for 5 mins for "local area" they may as well merge that back to the way it was when STV decided to do the splits in the varied areas..thats one thing STV is forgetting really is everyone outside the central belt and being honest I prefer BBC doing the news to STV.

Regarding Footy fair enough we all may not want to watch the England games but I don't see STV running to get any coverage of the Scotland matches or if anything share between Sky or BBC and regarding the "replacements" can be questionable whether its their own programmes or an ITV show that they delayed ie "homes from hell"

Trashy commissions such as "greatest album" recently? - thats one and intelligent programming whats that exactly? "underbelly"? I barely see anything they commission I want to go and watch its more of switch. If this is all down to the public that want these programmes as far as I see I barely hear anyone speak about an STV programme be more of an ITV programme shown on STV...

The Nightshift - I believe its use to be 2 regional versions - STV North and STV Central but more recently thats now based in STV Central - Being honest I wouldn't mind some programming on STV at night than this as mentioned earlier ITV will put on a show at midnight ie "the cube" til 1am then "the zone" and possibly a show like "kojak" later - its giving viewers at least something to watch - where as STV with this programme you may as well just listen to "local" radio or national radio than this
Mr Sirs
12-11-2011
pcuk - personally I am not complaining about STV permanently - I am posting a list of the main OPT OUT programmes and commenting on them. This weekend and coming week look ok to me - certainly not the worst! On another thread I well remember Thingummyjig on a Friday night at 7.30-8.30pm!! So if we think it's all bad just now...

I still can't accept a national broadcaster thinks a prog. like Nightshift is acceptable though. I cannot understand why ITV & STV cannot agree to show the likes of The Cube/Kojak/Film etc.. etc.. until around 2am Sun-Wed, and say 3am Thur,Fri, Sat. Then stick The Zone/Nightshift on at that time.

But hey ho - we are in a multi channel digital era so our national broadcaster has given up.

As for their news - personally I prefer Reporting Scotland & Newsnight Scotland, but I do agree Scotland Tonight has a place on the channel.
Mr Sirs
12-11-2011
Originally Posted by supersaint1:
“Fair point but it seems you are in the minority. If Stv are doing so well, how come they have ONLY 2 out of the 52 nominations at tomorrow's Bafta Scotland Awards??
The Industry like the public do not rate them either
.”



Let's just put that up in bold to remind ourselves, and others if they think STV are doing fine. That figure is a disgrace for a national broadcaster.
kezo
13-11-2011
Originally Posted by Mr Sirs:
“Let's just put that up in bold to remind ourselves, and others if they think STV are doing fine. That figure is a disgrace for a national broadcaster. ”

I remember that was announced on STV News few weeks ago ... I actually laughed being honest ... was even saying to myself "whooppee" (pointless mentioning STV) can understand maybe 10 or bit more but 2 ... wow ... so who own the rest?? BBC/SKY?

Can see if STV wins either 1 or 2 of them be plastered on STV News if they dont win any will be swept under the carpet...
p_c_u_k
13-11-2011
It's not a massive surprise BBC Scotland dominates the Baftas. For one thing, the petty cash in BBC Scotland's accounts is probably equivalent to STV's entire budget, given they are funded by the licence fee. Secondly, the BBC is there to produce critically-acclaimed programming without fear of recourse over ratings. STV has to balance producing good programming with making cash. It's a commercial company, so the latter will always be priority.

I know Grampian used to provide local news, but in the current climate if ITV PLC took over the area it would almost certainly merge the two areas completely, using Reporting Scotland to justify its decision. You could forget the likes of Scotland Tonight etc as well. Admittedly, the opt-out areas don't work quite as well in the former Grampian region as they do in the central belt. I remember living in Aberdeen and getting reports from Shetland. I don't know if it works better in Tayside but they'd be better just having a single programme, in my opinion.

Not sure I'd call Greatest Albums a trashy commission - I thought it was relatively well done, to be honest, although it felt more like a Channel 4 show than something for our main commercial channel. I don't see the harm in this sort of thing occasionally, I accept why people were jumping up and down when it was the only thing they did, however.

Ultimately though, STV is doing more than it has to. If it was taken over by ITV tomorrow there would be zero regional programming, aside from one local news programme for the whole country. The problems with network programming have mainly been sorted and for those few programmes that have been missed, you can get them on the ITV player or cable/satellite. I think we're quite lucky to have STV, to be honest. I do understand why people sometimes get frustrated, however.
Mr Sirs
13-11-2011
Just been pointed out in the MOVIE PREMIERES thread that ITV is showing the terrestrial premiere of HELLBOY 2 - FRIDAY 18TH 10.35pm-12.40am.

So that puts a slightly different slant on my overview of the week for STVs OPT OUTS - They don't go with the (2008) premiere and show the "average" 2002 Lee Evans movie Freeze Frame. After a reasonably good week of OPT OUT choices for STV, they end on a bit of a damp squib.
kezo
13-11-2011
Originally Posted by Mr Sirs:
“Just been pointed out in the MOVIE PREMIERES thread that ITV is showing the terrestrial premiere of HELLBOY 2 - FRIDAY 18TH 10.35pm-12.40am.

So that puts a slightly different slant on my overview of the week for STVs OPT OUTS - They don't go with the (2008) premiere and show the "average" 2002 Lee Evans movie Freeze Frame. After a reasonably good week of OPT OUT choices for STV, they end on a bit of a damp squib.”

either expect hellboy 2 next week if not new year
kezo
13-11-2011
Originally Posted by p_c_u_k:
“It's not a massive surprise BBC Scotland dominates the Baftas. For one thing, the petty cash in BBC Scotland's accounts is probably equivalent to STV's entire budget, given they are funded by the licence fee. Secondly, the BBC is there to produce critically-acclaimed programming without fear of recourse over ratings. STV has to balance producing good programming with making cash. It's a commercial company, so the latter will always be priority.

I know Grampian used to provide local news, but in the current climate if ITV PLC took over the area it would almost certainly merge the two areas completely, using Reporting Scotland to justify its decision. You could forget the likes of Scotland Tonight etc as well. Admittedly, the opt-out areas don't work quite as well in the former Grampian region as they do in the central belt. I remember living in Aberdeen and getting reports from Shetland. I don't know if it works better in Tayside but they'd be better just having a single programme, in my opinion.

Not sure I'd call Greatest Albums a trashy commission - I thought it was relatively well done, to be honest, although it felt more like a Channel 4 show than something for our main commercial channel. I don't see the harm in this sort of thing occasionally, I accept why people were jumping up and down when it was the only thing they did, however.

Ultimately though, STV is doing more than it has to. If it was taken over by ITV tomorrow there would be zero regional programming, aside from one local news programme for the whole country. The problems with network programming have mainly been sorted and for those few programmes that have been missed, you can get them on the ITV player or cable/satellite. I think we're quite lucky to have STV, to be honest. I do understand why people sometimes get frustrated, however.”

Regarding the BBC Scotland dominating the BAFTA's fair enough the 2 companies are different regarding money but surely this is an embarassment to STV if its meant to be competiting with other media outlets? They may as well had not been nominated at all if thats all STV can do in a year and be nominated?

Regarding the opt outs for the news up here ... the split is 5 mins for the north and the tayside area (i presume north covers the highlands as well as the shetlands... and tayside covers the dundee area and into fife as well as the perth area) I personally wouldnt mind if the old "north tonight" came back where the programme was an "all in one" than it is now ... funny that as mentioned before Edinburgh and Glasgow have the new "titles" and "graphics" for its news the north is still on the old ones yet "scotland tonight" has started ... and one would assume the update would happen then (which has not) .... mind you STV did say they were "rolling" it out still unknown when..

Regarding the Greatest Album - you may say it was well done but did you look into some of the bands featured and where they were based? - the whole idea I thought was bands that were born bred and 100% scottish (not going by the STV way - born in england has scottish roots scenario...) it was completely made up and they went along with what they thought...heck it may have had some people "chatting" about it ... but from what I seen on some sites people were questioning about it and where were the other scottish artists an example "the proclaimers" were featured twice in 80's/90's ... so where were the Wets or OMD? -- and they were massively successful but what do STV do? "chuck" them but give a mention though(The Wets) come on this was really crap even VH1 can do alot better if they wanted to cover Scottish music!

Regarding missing programmes - this is the problem some people dont use the internet ie elderly so how do you explain to them its ok "catch up" on ITV Player instead? yet if STV is their main provider (without sky or virgin either) - you cant even though we are in a multi channel age and using internet more nowadays but it doesnt give an excuse to miss a programme LIVE on tv does it? or replaced by what STV suits them....and plus not everyone if they missed a programme scheduled for 9pm on ITV is shoved til after 11pm on STV doubt very much alot of viewers would stick to the programme at that time...
excel99
13-11-2011
Originally Posted by p_c_u_k:
“Ultimately though, STV is doing more than it has to. If it was taken over by ITV tomorrow there would be zero regional programming, aside from one local news programme for the whole country.”

There would be regional programmes still. ITV1 Wales still has opt-outs. And they would need Ofcom approval to merge regional news across two licenses (Central Scotland and Grampian) - something I can't see happening until a decision is made on any potential 2014 ITV franchising process that may involve a redrawn franchise map. ITV would no doubt cut down, but not to the extent you posted
supersaint1
14-11-2011
Another piece of professionalism from Stv:

http://www.whatsontv.co.uk/reality/t...te-error/14572

And well done at last night's Bafta Scotland Awards.
Mr Sirs
14-11-2011
Originally Posted by supersaint1:
“Another piece of professionalism from Stv:

http://www.whatsontv.co.uk/reality/t...te-error/14572

And well done at last night's Bafta Scotland Awards.”



Amateur Hour again at STV! Add that to...

"We didn't start the fire" playing over the trailer for Scotland Tonight (showing the fireball vehicle terrorist attack at Glasgow Airport)....

"Downtown" by Petula Clark playing over the trailer for DOWNTON Abbey!

Played muzak over the whole of Lorraine show on STV + 1 on 28/10/11 with no on screen explanation/apology.


Seems they are perfecting the art of mess ups...
Mr Sirs
14-11-2011
Maybe it's all down to some spotty 14 year old "work experience" kid who has been told by a "fresh out of uni graduate in the media" STV employee:-

"yeah - that's ok - just do what you think, I'm sure it will be fine - no problems - cooollllll ".

I can just picture the scene later - they get a few complaints and the exec. is looking for an explanation - "no worries man... it's all coooolllll... I'll not use him again - I'll send him over to the Nightshift production team - they could use him there".

Cue the exec. walking away satisfied with the answer...
kezo
14-11-2011
Originally Posted by Mr Sirs:
“Maybe it's all down to some spotty 14 year old "work experience" kid who has been told by a "fresh out of uni graduate in the media" STV employee:-

"yeah - that's ok - just do what you think, I'm sure it will be fine - no problems - cooollllll ".

I can just picture the scene later - they get a few complaints and the exec. is looking for an explanation - "no worries man... it's all coooolllll... I'll not use him again - I'll send him over to the Nightshift production team - they could use him there".

Cue the exec. walking away satisfied with the answer... ”


Either that or someone does not know how to press the right buttons --- possibly STV have got "scottish" buttons for their switches - example "lights off" they probably have "lights aff" I am sure Aunt Bessie drops by every so often
Mr Sirs
14-11-2011
Originally Posted by kezo:
“Either that or someone does not know how to press the right buttons --- possibly STV have got "scottish" buttons for their switches - example "lights off" they probably have "lights aff" I am sure Aunt Bessie drops by every so often ”



LOL that was funny - just spluttered out my lunch laughing...
kezo
14-11-2011
Originally Posted by Mr Sirs:
“ LOL that was funny - just spluttered out my lunch laughing... ”

They probably have more "scottish" buttons we aint aware of here is another "air con off/on" they have "kilt on/aff"

I noticed STV North news covering the "food poisoning in glasgow (loyd grossman sauce) - had to laugh at it presenter in my area said "over to debi edwards" and once reported finished he said "thank you debi edwards"?? report was prerecorded and she wasnt LIVE! - my local STV is the pits - its laughable to watch!
supersaint1
15-11-2011
And yet further "professionalism" from Stv:

http://www.scotsman.com/news/arts/st...erts_1_1965729

Someone in management needs to start taking responsibility for these "eff-ups" but as usual their response is it's "not our fault".
Mr Sirs
15-11-2011
Originally Posted by kezo:
“They probably have more "scottish" buttons we aint aware of here is another "air con off/on" they have "kilt on/aff" :D

I noticed STV North news covering the "food poisoning in glasgow (loyd grossman sauce) - had to laugh at it presenter in my area said "over to debi edwards" and once reported finished he said "thank you debi edwards"?? report was prerecorded and she wasnt LIVE! - my local STV is the pits - its laughable to watch!”



First class Kezo. LOL
Mr Sirs
15-11-2011
Originally Posted by supersaint1:
“And yet further "professionalism" from Stv:

http://www.scotsman.com/news/arts/st...erts_1_1965729

Someone in management needs to start taking responsibility for these "eff-ups" but as usual their response is it's "not our fault".”




A slapdash attitude from the top will just filter right down through the whole organisation - and that is manifest in so many different ways at STV - policy, presenters, programmes etc.. etc...
kezo
15-11-2011
Originally Posted by Mr Sirs:
“ First class Kezo. LOL ”

Ah Thank you MrSirs I know its First Class what way can we describe STV - let me think mmmm "Royal Mail" ... expect a First Class delivery which really aint nowadays more like Second Class...and is either late or delayed...oh wait STV have already done the "delayed" part I wonder if more will appear or late will be next?
kezo
15-11-2011
Originally Posted by Mr Sirs:
“A slapdash attitude from the top will just filter right down through the whole organisation - and that is manifest in so many different ways at STV - policy, presenters, programmes etc.. etc... ”

The word "amateur" appears in the comments on the link ... suprised I thought STV became a channel for 10 year olds involved in "gang culture" ....oh wait that IS what STV thinks anyway..

I noticed my "complaint" i made had been noted on DS ... remember I mentioned about the "preview" of the ITV news at 1.30pm after "loose women" couple weeks ago was "knocked off "for the STV Player catch up ad? - well this week they put it back to the ITV News preview...Overall the channel is becoming not a channel for "amateurs" more like a crash course for "beginners"

This is my idea of what the STV Management are made up of .. Aunt Bessie, Donald "whars your troosers" Mcleod, Scrooge, Mary Poppins, Cinderella, Pinocchio and all live on "Cloud 9" ... possibly they all live in the magical world of Disney with the ideas they come away with thats for sure...maybe they have "Mickey Mouse" running the place to the ground...

and the next STV programme coming soon is "scotland's favourite celebrities" ... The programme where they choose and you vote and also remember these aint celebrities that were born and bred in scotland this search wiill feature a worldwide search... .... anyone want to call a search party?
AngusMast
20-11-2011
STV is ITV1 at the moment, is this normal for Sunday lunchtime? I've been watching since the end of Curious George, and the junction and the ad break during Richie Rich were ITV. We got an ad for Smyths in Chadwell Heath, London,.
Mr Sirs
20-11-2011
Originally Posted by AngusMast:
“STV is ITV1 at the moment, is this normal for Sunday lunchtime? I've been watching since the end of Curious George, and the junction and the ad break during Richie Rich were ITV. We got an ad for Smyths in Chadwell Heath, London,.”



Given the technical errors STV have been making over the last while then I think it's just another weedy geek at STV messing up again..
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