I'd like to take that article and shove it down Lorraine Kelly's throat.

Talk about doing a disservice to your own country's actors. "not relevant to Scotland" I presume?? Total and utter hypocrites.

You'd think that the way STV slot in all sorts of stuff from Ireland they'd jump at Benidorm

Now I wouldnt be at all surprised if STV are really in trouble...but he makes sense .... if its popular with viewers on both sides (originally) why cant STV not show it?? ... havent seen STV do anything more for their "comedy" have we?? ... that ship sailed long ago ....

Im still peed of Whitechaple not been broadcast. Why on earth are STV wasting money on Married, single and other crap.

Seiko your forgetting "this crap" they have on now was broadcast 18 month ago on ITV1 ... it would have been alot EASIER if STV had just stuck to these programmes "missed" back then

Blame management of STV with the "timing" .... give them an email and see what the answer will be .... possibly you will be given "unknown" or "programming dedicated to Scotland" as an excuse.....STV is taking its viewers for a ride, just wait until it reaches the end.....

I don't care about stuff from 18 months, ago.

STV must be able to have a proper balance somewhere, STV has click its needs to start replacing drama with drama, but that does not mean killing off all ITV drama.

Now yes I agree with the opt out policy, as long as it good, and were only missing out on dross... only reason were getting Married dross is because it was axed,and flopped.

Second series of 'Scott & Bailey' (? is that the correct title) begins soon - we got series 1, will we get series 2?

It is the lack of coherent policy that gets me!

'Married/Single' etc was not good, despite a worthy cast, yet STV are still happy to show it - so presumably it is CHEAP?!?

you say you "dont care" about stuff from 18 months ago ... wow surprised there as I am pretty sure they are viewers out there that actually DO care about the missing "stuff" from back then --- funny that I missed "gunrush" originally broadcast back then and STV did not broadcast it ... am I in the mood to watch that if its shown NOW? .... NO....see a failure Seiko?? - Hype gone off a programme!

You mention STV should have a "proper" balance ... STV dont know how to do that - they "replace" drama with "imported" drama ... dont see a "like for like" still ... nothing under the radar of it being "scottish" yet

I wouldnt mind if STV had gave me a "regional" opt out than the dross it gives me that it PRODUCES from STV HQ ... but like I say do they really care??? - hardly just thinking of themselves with "savings" also known as "money in their OWN pockets"

I havent seen much of their "opt outs" worthy of what gets missed ... its all done "cheap" .... here is an example

Watched Cornwall with Caroline Quentin very well done explaining about the area and its people .... STV --- example ... Moviejuice .... presenter stumbles on a few lines (noted this last week) - you would think since its PRE-recorded he could get his lines EXACT but no ... presenter stumbles and is broadcast on STV.... talk about "professionalism" of STV why dont I hop on a canoe and sail south?

I would hope they would Bidie and on schedule but this is STV remember ... expect the unexpected

I think they got it on the cheap seems obvious to me being honest ... why not have shown it when it was on ITV1 at same time? .... no scottish cast? not relevant to scotland?? ... STV being cheap? yes!

Here are the STV OPT OUTs for the remainder of this week:-

MONDAY 20TH - 8.00-8.30pm - ITV: Cornwall. STV: WEATHERWATCH WITH SEAN BATTY

9.00-10.00pm - ITV: Whitechapel. STV: IDENTITY.

10.30pm-2.35am - ITV: That Sunday Night Show/Law & Order UK/River Monsters/The Zone. STV: SCOTLAND TONIGHT - THAT SUNDAY NIGHT SHOW (rpt) - RIVER MONSTERS (rpt) - JEREMY KYLE (rpt) - NIGHTSCREEN.

Verdict: The main network forges ahead with STV losing out on Cornwall & Whitechapel. STV joins the network at 2.35am with FOOTBALL then NIGHTSCREEN. ITV WIN.

TUESDAY 21ST - 10.30pm-5.30am - ITV: Benidorm/The Cube/The Zone/Crossing Jordan/Nightscreen. STV: SCOTLAND TONIGHT - PIERS MORGAN'S LIFE STORIES - IN PLAIN SIGHT (rpt) - VET SCHOOL BITES - NIGHTSCREEN (from 1.00am).

Verdict: STV viewers lose out on a repeat of Benidorm, but there's not much to choose between the 2. DRAW.

WEDNESDAY 22ND - 10.30pm-5.30am - ITV: Champions League/Kidnap & Ransom/The Zone/Film:Brewster's Millions/Nightscreen. STV: SCOTLAND TONIGHT - CHAMPIONS LEAGUE - CROSSING JORDAN - BEYOND EXPLANATION (rpt) - NIGHTSCREEN (from 1.00am).

Verdict: Close between the 2, but ITV throws in a reasonably rated movie during the night. ITV WIN.

THURSDAY 23RD - 10.30pm-5.30am - ITV: Jonathan Ross/Around The House/Take Me Out/The Zone/Tonight/Nightscreen/Jeremy Kyle. STV: SCOTLAND TONIGHT - JONATHAN ROSS (rpt) - THE NIGHTSHIFT (from 12 midnight).

Verdict: Again, not much to choose between the 2, but the awful Nightshift coming on at midnight edges it for the network. ITV WIN.

FRIDAY 24TH - 8.00-8.30pm - ITV: Safari Vet School. STV: MOVIEJUICE.

9.00-10.00pm - ITV: Benidorm. STV: MARRIED SINGLE OTHER.

12.05-5.30am - ITV: The Zone/Film:King Kong/Nightscreen. STV: THE NIGHTSHIFT (from 12.05am).

Verdict: For their screening of the new series of Benidorm, plus Safari Vet School and the 1976 version of King Kong through the night, the network's a clear winner tonight. ITV WIN.

Conclusion: Once again STV viewers are let down by a no show of Benidorm, Safari Vet School, Cornwall & Whitechapel - all well rated and popular programmes in the UK.

I read on TV Forum that the weekend regional news is now from Glasgow for the whole of Scotland, which has to be a negative step backwards

want a bigger bombshell??

My STV News made a BIG blunder.....I got told that they were meant to go to a report and it ended up during the report ... we see Tyrone (sports presenter) coming with a bottle and then speaks to Norman Mcleod .... Norman says "we got alot of news stories" ends up rumbling his papers and after the report finished no apology was made.....or will that be tomorrow I wonder? ... I am a gut feeling this will be the end of STV North/Grampian not FACT but makes me really wonder how bad its getting now....

Just noticed that the Nightshift (DJ with clips overnight cheapie) has been reduced to weekends only and been replaced by the appaling ITV Nightscreen.

Nightshift was a lot better than a few slides and test card type music and qualified as locally produced programming. One has to wonder why it has been scaled back?

[quote=wavejockglw;56691299]Just noticed that the Nightshift (DJ with clips overnight cheapie) has been reduced to weekends only and been replaced by the appaling ITV Nightscreen.

Nightshift was a lot better than a few slides and test card type music and qualified as locally produced programming. One has to wonder why it has been scaled back?[/QUOTE]




Locally produced programming? Jings they know how to get round OFCOM don't they?! And how to hoodwink viewers too!

Maybe they are scaling back because it's even cheaper to buy in Nightscreen!

The music Stv play during the night is their own copyrighted library music. They play this for hours and then claim the PRS royalties thus generating more money for the company. Kerching!

Originally Posted by kwynne42

What was the point of STV opting out of Shows if they are going to show them years after they were shown on ITV proper, and showing them now only seems to be displacing other new stuff which also has to be shown at a later date, they are perpetuating their own idiocacy.


The above was originally posted in the DS Ratings thread in the Tv Prog forum this week. Here's my reply:-

STV have had a policy of opting out of primetime shows - at the moment no Cornwall, Law & Order UK, Whitechapel, Safari Vet School, Benidorm, Eternal Law etc..

Some of these shows will never be shown up here in Scotland - others will surface in a few months, or several months time. At the moment we are putting up with Married Single Other (shown in 2010 on ITV), Midsomer Murders with John Nettles, plus cheap imports from Ireland and Australia, and cheap home produced fillers (Moviejuice/Scottish Passport...).

Last year STV claimed they were opting out of shows because they were "not relevant to Scotland" - so no Downton Abbey series 1, Doc Martin etc.. etc.. Then, due to public/media pressure they hastily showed series 1 of Downton (the final part screening on the afternoon series 2 started!!), Doc Martin etc..

The problem with STV is they want to hold off on "expensive" dramas/progs & try and buy them on the cheap at a later date. They then make a song & dance about them and proclaim them as "NEW to STV" - all the while forgetting the publicity buzz has gone and although viewers could have seen them elsewhere (ITV Player, ITV London via Sky, ITV3 or ITV4 etc..) many would miss them if they only have Freeview (and no access to a pc).



Oh yes and if you want to read about how bad STV are have a look at the "Not Scotland what are STV playing at?" thread in DS Broadcasting forum.

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?for...13298405759943


Have a look at this - the STV sales document that can't even spell Midsomer correctly! - "MIDSOMMER MURDER" - Wed. 9pm. Idiots.

At least it's in HD

... middsommer murder .... sorry STV but what? its called "midsomer murders" bunch of numbskulls .... do they know how to spell michelle? or is that PRONOUNCE MEchelle

it should really say STV up for SALE

STV are in a financial pickle, advertisers/viewers are deserting in droves and it is struggling to meet financial obligations, they opt out because they cannot fully fund the program costs of the missing shows.

Something else is being shoved down her throat by someone famous it has been hinted at.

Pity sethos that STV themselves CANNOT explain this yet like you and the rest we all seem to know this but heck this is STV no matter .... say "one thing" yet they show it "later"

EDIT - so really these "profits" we heard from them is really another story in which they use to "backup" they are fine yet which they clearly are not....its nothing to be ashamed of if they had explained it all back in the beginning but they didnt anyway ... they thought it was all for the "greater good against ITV" and its backfiring massively and the cycle is not going to stop.....oh well they already wiped out Grampian TV anyway nothing "local" about it nor any "programming" variety so heck don't much care for it as I use to do back then.....its a dying channel and if STV don't do anything quick it will be gone sadly .... and their "licence to print money" theory has totally gone .... no money to print I think .. ink has ran out and is dry

I could count on the fongers of two hands the number of minutes I have watched stv in the last 12 months as most of my viewing is through my Sky HD box and 103 is not an attractive proposition very often.

For me its ITV1 most of the time and if stv vanished it would take me a long while to notice.

I have freeview in my bedroom and VM in living room BUT if i missed anything I catch it on my PS3 and being honest even if STV did vanish doubt very much anyone would care just apart from if it appeared as ITV1 ....

EDIT - STV needs to get its fingers out and actually "spend" money than just "save" for their own back pockets .... its ashame that what was once a great channel being turned into a crap and cheap channel (STV "OWN" programming/imports) it needs to get back to its roots but hell that wont happen unless its freezes over - or expect Sean Batty to do a programme on that NEXT