Where do you get hold of the viewing figures for these
programmes?

And what are the figures?

STV don't show local programming its more regional with their opt outs and even their own homemade cack ... the only local programming is the news and as far as that goes where I am its nothing but a farce....

If anyone has to take STV seriously then surely then would you not agree that STV should be doing alot more than make shows of "archived" clips and imports? Thats what I don't understand about STV is that they get praised for showing something "different" - which in reality is either a delayed programme (by 2 years) do "homegrown" material which is really the pits and use imports? which are really "not relevant to scotland" other than possibly being more west coast based than anything else? ie gangland culture (underbelly/love hate) as being honest I wouldn't even associate Scotland in all areas being controlled by warlords/drugs/sex but thats the impression STV gives the Scots as if we are really interested in that ... whilst there at it they may as well show "scarface" and "godfather" films next and have that on continous loop.....

http://www.scotsman.com/news/stv_foc...ings_1_1305021


I know this is a headline back in 2009 but if you look at what is said and I quote

"A senior STV source said English programmes such as comedy Al Murray Pub Landlord and drama Moving Wallpaper would be axed.

Clements' initial plans for new programming, released today, include Pride of Place, a St Andrew's Day special in which STV will profile the 30 greatest Scots from past and present.

And Made in Scotland will look at the Scottish identity and how Scots are viewed by the world, from tartan and whisky to golf and music.

Clements said: "I can be accused of many things but being insufficiently Scottish is not one of them. For us it's about being branded a Scottish channel rather than being the ITV branch in Scotland.

We are determined to serve our viewers better with programmes to entertain, educate and inform."

That was 3 years ago so the question again really is so where are the "replacements" or known as "like for like" ... does anyone really believe what they say now as I clearly don't ... as its really been cheaply bought/cheaply made and as far as I see on my screen see no "scottish" drama in place of "english" do you?? - so in other words "axing" programmes that were possibly popular with viewers go and never be seen again ... thats not reorganising a station thats turning the channel into a joke....and clearly is now regarding the backfire on programmes as "downton abbey" and the delayed programming of others.....

and reading the last part "entertain educate and inform" and what were those shows other than those listed in the quote ... "the hour" an MTV web based series made by a Scottish production, the imports "south park" (STV never did say where that went) "underbelly" "love/hate" and even their latest homegrown cack now "sean battys weatherwatch" "scottish passport" "moviejuice" ... it also sounds like something they took out of the BBC Handbook!

Vet School was the only truly fresh home made programme that STV produced.

I am beginning to wonder if it will return? Maybe it is too costly compared to Scotland's Greatest Beasties which could be coggled together from the archives.....

Bidie I wouldnt be at all surprised if they axed that programme too. STV are getting good at that . Flaunt a programme hope it picks up then if not a great success (possibly this was) dont do anymore of it and chuck in a waste bin .... oh well

Re number of viewers well Newsnight Scotland is on at 11 when many will be in bed. Percentage wise BBC2 will always rate lower than BBC1 and ITV/STV.

Was by chance on STV HD and see they sponsored the "ITV National Weather" ... with guess???? ... "STV Health Centre" ... seems like STV plug in anything on their OWN channel .... as I looked on ITV1 the "ITV National Weather" is sponsored by "Seven Seas"

Whats the deal with STV sponsorships - I rather have the ITV own versions plus ITV own sponsorships seem money has spent on them where as STV it looks like its made by a 10 year old kid

I still see no one from DS has EXPLAINED why the "original" Page 33 of this THREAD was deleted! --- it makes you wonder when you THINK outside the BOX does it not??

If it was pulled due to the saga as SNP/STV/Sun on sunday fanfare ... well who's fault is that it aint the members of this FORUM its the network known as STV PLUGGING the BUMPERS in EVERY programme heck if that was ITV itself they be getting fired upon for it but since this is STV we let it run over us .... great one!

Groan... - they know how to flog themselves silly.

Here are the STV OPT OUTs for this weekend - Saturday & Sunday. Back on Monday!

SATURDAY 3RD - 10.35pm-5.30am - ITV: Film: Wanted/The Zone/In Plain Sight/Nightscreen. STV: FILM: THE GRUDGE 2- THE NIGHTSHIFT (from 12.25am).

Verdict: Similar rated films, not much to choose between the 2. DRAW.

SUNDAY 4TH - 9.30-11.30am - ITV: Ade In Britain/May The Best House Win. STV: JEREMY KYLE (rpt) - MOVIEJUICE (rpt) - SCOTTISH PASSPORT (rpt).

10.45pm-5.30am - ITV: Whitechapel/Rugby Union/The Zone/River Monsters/Nightscreen. STV: RUGBY UNION - ODD ONE IN (rpt) - THE NIGHTSHIFT (from 12.00).

Verdict: Once again STV lose out on the Whitechapel repeat, and the awful Nightshift couldn't appear any sooner surely?! ITV WIN.

At least STV is producing some local programming, which is more than any one else even the BBC. BBC Scotland spends £100+ million but what the hell do they produce?

I have a suggestion, why don't we call all get together and fund a new Scottish network TV station, but even on the first attempt on starting a new TV channel it will be rejected by Ofcom or some other random government red tape.

Just had a look at the STV Player website....

Now let's see - THIS MORNING & ALAN TITCHMARSH - both shows featuring guests from .....BENIDORM..... now let me see - I'll just type that in to the search facility.... and surprise surprise nothing found.

So STV feature shows with guests from a programme they aren't even showing! So amateurish and poor you couldn't make that up if you tried!

BBC Scotland are showing this week...

Reporting Scotland (more professional),
BBC2 Newsnight Scotland,
Sportscene football results show,
Labour & Lib Dem Party Conference prog,
Eorpa (Gaelic current affairs),
River City,
Sportscene football prog,
BBC Scotland Investigates,
Local News throughout the day ( & after 10pm news),
A Match For Europe (state of Scottish football),
Sport Nation,
Politics Scotland,
Blethering Scotland.

Much more professional, better produced, more credible...

I have to say this as its annoying me like hell ... STV do NOT produce local programming ... the only thing local is my STV News in the North the rest of their own programming is from STV Central in Glasgow and is based in Glasgow ... their is no local programming!

They may produce (or made by others ) regional programming such as moviejuice sean battys weatherwatch and the rest is imports from Ireland/Australia nothing regional about those opt outs is there?? NO! (one made in possibly Northern Ireland by RTE and the other by Network 7 in Australia - heck not local/regional producers in Scotland are they??)

If it was local programming I was looking for I rather get more than news than west coast based cack as STV North (Grampian) produces bug all and thats gone down the tubes!

EDIT: If you stay in Glasgow/Edinburgh you are possibly use to calling it local but it aint now if you think about it more as STV is all over Scotland but it concentrates more in that area and gives that area more priority than us that stay in the old Grampian area....shows you where "local" has really gone doesn't it??

I thought it was my imagination but guess not! and their new ad for STV Player is just as annoying already as the previous ... for god sake STV just advertise the STV Player professionally not made by a 10 year old ... STV home of the babies in charge

More ironic though is their is a scottish actor in the programming ... I thought the actor was "relevant to scotland" according to STV computers ... "computer says no!" ... was "lorraine" off all week this week I take it on "daybreak"?? If she was surprised STV didnt pull the plug on that as it was an English presenter "not relevant to scotland" see the sarcasm in their own statement ... STV really dont know what to say about their own channel ... their "flogging" a "dead horse" is still alive and kicking ... someone please just kill the channel on second thoughts scrap that idea just send the OFCOM inspectors in (also known as the "men in black" LOL )

hmmm, still prefer a refund in the license fee

Curiousity killed the Cat here MrSirs I notice "scottish passport" you mention is a REPEAT surely the "offers" they had on when 1st broadcast will be outdated surely?? ... oh wait I forgot I must go to www.scottishpassport.com for all the info ... how silly of me... repeat a programme to get more viewers to the site ... STV home of its self promotion....wow you couldnt make it up!

EDIT: STV is a part time pub ... closes it doors after 12am from thurs-sundays ... I wonder if there is a fight before the "nightshift" workers start .... fighting over who owns the "mic" for the night

Hurry up STV close shop and put on testcard be alot simpler these days sorry give it time STV will flick the switch to an "adult" channel by accident next

Im from Fife. Just across the water from Edinburgh and once in a while I get fed up wiith things being to much Glasgow based. Thats why im glad there an STV news at six from Edinburgh but even then 70% of the news they give you is for the Edinburgh area and its lucky if Fife gets two news stories a week.
Radio is almost as bad. Ok Real Radio is Central Scotland but 60% of the out-put seems to be Glasgow and the west based. Even the two Forth stations when they have a networked show 70% of the time it comes from Glasgow. If I want local news I sometimes listen to it on Kingdom FM or Forth 2.
Im all for STV doing opt-out shows if they did them at the right time and not when theres a good show on ITV1. STV need to in time start putting money into making new Scottish dramas even if they get someone else to make the dramas for them.

Darren

STV should be standing on its own 2 feet being honest ... its a TV channel but then all it cares about is making "profits" or as this year went a "loss" - STV are throwing money elsewhere and really don't care about making anything that new even if its drama (hence the imports)

If anything I would like STV to do is actually make programmes featuring presenters from STV North and or programmes from this area but I aint going to see that happening anytime soon ... like i mentioned in the previous thread when "the hour" was running I asked why do we in North not have different presenters and what was the answer I got? (sorry no doesnt work that way/tough luck) - sorry but I find that amazing how the east/west divide is now and STV hasn't helped much and possibly they want all us scots be Glasweigan next

News - my stv news is still split for aberdeen/dundee that should be scrapped and I am waiting for it to happen as 9 times out of 10 watching my "local" is USELESS and POINTLESS and should go back to the way it was before all this hassle began .... will it happen? ... doubt it

regarding radio its similar here in Dundee Tay FM/Tay AM after a certain time go glasgow based but I barely listen to "local" radio now but then closest is wave 102 and I prefer that if anything if nothing on DAB but its better than what I can watch on that channel known as STV...

I think there's 2 points here:-

Personally for me BBC Scotland's output is better than STVs -in terms of content, standard, credibility etc... etc... As has been said on this thread before, STVs additional output to news (News at 6, bulletins & Scotland Tonight) now seem to be reduced to The Hour (scrapped), Moviejuice (amateurish), Scottish Passport (resurrected after several years and its audience is more savvy now) and the odd cheap show here and there. To me the 2 channels output are like night and day.

Secondly let's go back to your point on the licence fee/justification of BBC Scotland - I have said elsewhere I am in favour of the licence fee freeze. Some on THIS thread may disagree with me but in difficult times I am comfortable seeing the Govt. NOT agree to another licence fee rise. The BBC should be completely accountable, transparent and be seen to be utilising the £mms at their disposal sensibly and efficiently. Now yes that may mean the output is restricted (and even from BBC Scotland) or projects put on hold, but in austere times it will give them a bit of a reality check and not become complacent with what they have. The public have had (rightly or wrongly) the perception that the BBC spending/licence fee is way too high in recent years.

I wonder though just how much of the £145 licence fee could be refunded to the Scots re as a % of that which is directly attributable to the running costs of BBC Scotland? Bearing in mind the vastness of BBC across tv and radio channels - would it be £5 a month, £10, £2, £20??? So do we take that refund and scrap BBC Scotland - so no Scottish news, sport or the variety of programmes from Scotland - and what about Radio Scotland? - with its excellent News programmes etc..

I would much rather have the set up where we have a credible broadcaster offer a credible alternative to the cheap, tacky, viewer ignorant STV - but within that context they should be accountable and transparent.

If the news split was scrapped it wouldn't improve the localness of the news at all. It would probably just mean job losses as less content would be needed

Well technically "North Tonight" operated that way and it can be done again - do not get the point in why I need to "split" for the sake of 3-5 mins to cover Dundee when it can be done in the 25-30 mins of a programme

Job losses? - heck STV are good at that anyway ... must be great though sitting in a studio part of the day and just to read for 3-5 mins a night ... thats what you call a waste of money and resources really ... yet its funny in a way Edinburgh/Glasgow got their "own" have they now so why can't we just get our news output just from Aberdeen then? (that as I said was original under Grampian TV) plus most people I know who own sky are getting annoyed of the "split" and plus before anyone suggests "scan and find" why? - why should sky customers scan just to find their "local" STV news when it calls from Aberdeen? This is why I say put STV North/Grampian back the way it was

EDIT: need to also add on the odd time STV News at 6 has at times made Dundee stories top priority tha Aberdeen ... so lets get real here it should be reverted back for us - and half the time the news stories even from my area is actually more laughable than you can "give the dog a bone" :yawn:

May also add why do viewers need to text STV news stories out of curiousity?? if its for "interactive" ... right ok then comes more across as lazy reporting to me - yet back in 90's in my area news stories were worth talking about nowadays its like "who cares" :sleep: (as it STV control) where as BBC to me beats my OWN STV North News...that does say something doesn't it? (as North Tonight was better back then compared to Reporting Scotland ... oh how times have changed )

SO STV has got a new deal with ITV

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/ne...work-deal.html

http://www.thedrum.co.uk/news/2012/0...nsing-deal-itv

SO What does this all mean? will STV at least give an most of the current line up BUT still give us opt outs? REMEMBER people STV still has to give us 90mins PER peak slots of opt out of home grown shows, So Monday/Firday 8pm needs to be opt outs... along with 7.30 Tues/ thurs

unless the hour comes back

To paraphrase seiko456's post - What's does 'affiliate' mean and how does this differ from STV's previous partnership in the Channel 3 Network?

Is it more like TV3 in Ireland?

STV cant comment as its subject to OFCOM yet if we dont know how can people object to it?



http://news.stv.tv/scotland/299742-s...nel-3-network/