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"Not Scotland" - What are STV Playing At? (Part 2)
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kezo
05-03-2012
Originally Posted by seiko456:
“SO STV has got a new deal with ITV

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/ne...work-deal.html

http://www.thedrum.co.uk/news/2012/0...nsing-deal-itv

SO What does this all mean? will STV at least give an most of the current line up BUT still give us opt outs? REMEMBER people STV still has to give us 90mins PER peak slots of opt out of home grown shows, So Monday/Firday 8pm needs to be opt outs... along with 7.30 Tues/ thurs

unless the hour comes back ”

Didnt realise you liked that cack of a show Seiko ... one of the WORST programmes STV has ever done and glad its locked up in an archive never to be seen again .... oh whoops they have parts of it on "the nightshift" how I forgot.

Maybe they should consider being more than Glasgow centric with productions and make cast a ship for us on programming but then again doubt it will make any difference anyway
seiko456
05-03-2012
The hour had promise, but I agree first show was P*****
kezo
05-03-2012
Originally Posted by seiko456:
“The hour had promise, but I agree first show was P*****”

The Hour had no promise lets be honest it may have had the viewers but come on 2 presenters from Glasgow having guests on then the show becomes all about them (presenters) give me a break - I would rather watch "come dine with me" at least you get a good kick out of that than you did with mechelle's "big swally" friday nights - the programme was really just an embarassment for STV and for Scotland....

Also you forgot STV had then started throwing money away with its compeitions before the show started ... "whats on the box" that to was also CRAP ... today you win a box of roses if you lose it "rollsover" to next week (comes across as if viewers were playing bingo/lottery)
soulboy77
05-03-2012
Originally Posted by seiko456:
“Is it more like TV3 in Ireland?

STV cant comment as its subject to OFCOM yet if we dont know how can people object to it?




http://news.stv.tv/scotland/299742-s...nel-3-network/”

I can only surmise that 'affiliate' will mean that STV will no longer be a full partner in the Channel 3 Network so will be able to pick and choose more on which programmes they take. How Ofcom will view this in terms of the statutory requirements of the Channel 3 franchise I don't know?
kezo
05-03-2012
Originally Posted by soulboy77:
“I can only surmise that 'affiliate' will mean that STV will no longer be a full partner in the Channel 3 Network so will be able to pick and choose more on which programmes they take. How Ofcom will view this in terms of the statutory requirements of the Channel 3 franchise I don't know?”

And I am guessing as I couldnt read the piece on it ... but does this mean STV "OPT OUT" more? if it does STV needs to get its finger out its backside and do more than imports and cheap programming.....


Rob Woodward, the chief executive of STV, said: "Today's announcement confirms the stability and certainty of long-term, commercially sustainable networking arrangements between the Channel 3 licence holders.

"STV remains 100% committed to its public service broadcasting credentials, to delivering a distinct schedule for Scotland and to providing a platform for informed debate.


I found this above on another thread.... find it surprising that the chairman of STV believes he is "delivering a distinct schedule for Scotland" - and what is that exactly? - being all cheap and produce nothing to be on a "like for like" basis? .. I will wait and see if STV does change for the better if not and it gets alot worse I'll be more than glad to be using my PS3
supersaint1
05-03-2012
A very clear explanation of the agreement:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...iness-17258458

As Stv will now not save money by opting out this will lead to an end to it. I also think it will result in less local output too.
Smoothy
05-03-2012
Excellent explanation, thanks BBC. So basically they still are independant owners of the two franchises in Scotland? And the only thing that changes is that they now pay one price for the network schedule, thereby removing one (maybe significant?) reason for them to "opt out" of certain programming?
Mr Sirs
05-03-2012
Interesting development. Smoothy I think you are right there - paying the one price for the full lot will mean they can no longer buy up progs. months or years later on the cheap. So that excuse/reason looks like being buried. Even though STV will still have a commitment to show OPT OUTs this is good news for viewers in Scotland because-

1. Scottish viewers will now have a better chance to see ITV networked programmes when originally shown - so hopefully NO MORE Downton/Doc Martin/Midsomer/Whitechapel/Cornwall/Law & Order UK etc.. etc... etc.. fiascos.

2. In the case where STVs commitment to OPT OUT takes precedence over an ITV networked show, then there will be a better chance of that ITV show being shown at a later time or soon after original transmission (rather than not at all as the case sometimes is at the moment).

3. STV should now be thinking twice about purchasing cheap shoddy imports like Underbelly or Love/Hate and screening them primetime over an ITV networked show. Continuing such a policy makes no financial sense in light of today's announcement.

4. Communication/PR should improve with viewers - STV are giving the masses what they want when the buzz still surrounds the ITV networked programmes - not 12-18 months later when the sting has gone out of it.

5. STV will be kept on their toes by advertisers and ITV to show the networked programmes. Selling a show to an advertiser when it is nationally the "hot show" or buzz around it makes it a more attractive proposition to advertisers.


Whilst still recognising STV have a duty to OPT OUT I would like to think this news today is good for Scottish viewers and the end to a 3 year sorry saga of STV thinking they could outsmart ITV and mess the viewers around with their disgraceful policy. :sleep:
Mr Sirs
05-03-2012
Timely indeed - for here are the STV OPT OUTS for tonight - Monday 5th March:-

9.00-10.00pm - ITV: Whitechapel. STV: IDENTITY.

10.30pm-2.40am - ITV:The Agenda/That Sunday Night Show/Piers Morgan's Life Stories/The Zone. STV: SCOTLAND TONIGHT - RIVER MONSTERS (rpt) - THAT SUNDAY NIGHT SHOW (rpt) - JEREMY KYLE (rpt) - NIGHTSCREEN (from 1am).

Verdict: No Whitechapel (of course!), and later on before STV joins the network at 2.40am with Football & Nightscreen there is a reasonable line up. But the network edge it - ITV WIN.

Back tomorrow with the rest of the week's OPT OUTs !
BIDIE-IN
05-03-2012
Originally Posted by supersaint1:
“A very clear explanation of the agreement:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...iness-17258458

As Stv will now not save money by opting out this will lead to an end to it. I also think it will result in less local output too.”

I don't think anyone would mind 'opt out' programmes if they were made by STV and of decent quality, but the only example I can come up with, now that Taggart is no more, is the enjoyable (for animal lovers) Vet School. Their much heralded revamp of The Hour was so embarassingly poor that they had to pull it before it became a national joke.

Clip shows coggled together from archive footage are obviously cheap and should only be used as fillers if something has to be pulled from an existing schedule. I do not know anyone who watched Greatest Album which was apparently 'a success' - let alone voted in it.

And don't just drop the drama! Have a look at quiz shows and Cowell-esq talent shows and see if they can be reduced from the schedules.
Mr Sirs
05-03-2012
Originally Posted by BIDIE-IN:
“I don't think anyone would mind 'opt out' programmes if they were made by STV and of decent quality, but the only example I can come up with, now that Taggart is no more, is the enjoyable (for animal lovers) Vet School. Their much heralded revamp of The Hour was so embarassingly poor that they had to pull it before it became a national joke.

Clip shows coggled together from archive footage are obviously cheap and should only be used as fillers if something has to be pulled from an existing schedule. I do not know anyone who watched Greatest Album which was apparently 'a success' - let alone voted in it.

And don't just drop the drama! Have a look at quiz shows and Cowell-esq talent shows and see if they can be reduced from the schedules.”


Bidie that won't happen - whether you like them or not STV will continue to screen those shows. They are a dream for a broadcaster because they command big audiences (well maybe not The Exit List!) and are a big catch for advertisers.



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kezo
05-03-2012
I was watching my STV News today and another utter shambles so here I go ... there was a "delay" in the intro and all of sudden SOUND issues and the pic became FLAKY...see where I am going?? .... pic becomes more DISTORTED and by the time for SEAN BATTY and his weather pic is all over the PLACE ... then "Normal service will resume shortly" .... so you expect HQ to issue an apology before dickinsons right?? by hell they didnt!! ... STV Central SERIOUSLY dont give a toss about us today was an utter disgrace my elderly tenant had slightly panicked with the picture and thought it was his SKY! .... I had to explain if I go to ITV1 picture would be fine but stuck to watch this unfold.

Sorry to say this but the HQ should be kicking someones butt over this. Its now the second time STV North have made a cock up in less than a month. I must be right in a way as I say the HQ in Glasgow could not care less about us anymore - I can see the plug on it soon ... but oh well!
Trajet
05-03-2012
Originally Posted by kezo:
“I was watching my STV News today and another utter shambles so here I go ... there was a "delay" in the intro and all of sudden SOUND issues and the pic became FLAKY...see where I am going?? .... pic becomes more DISTORTED and by the time for SEAN BATTY and his weather pic is all over the PLACE ... then "Normal service will resume shortly" .... so you expect HQ to issue an apology before dickinsons right?? by hell they didnt!! ... STV Central SERIOUSLY dont give a toss about us today was an utter disgrace my elderly tenant had slightly panicked with the picture and thought it was his SKY! .... I had to explain if I go to ITV1 picture would be fine but stuck to watch this unfold.

Sorry to say this but the HQ should be kicking someones butt over this. Its now the second time STV North have made a cock up in less than a month. I must be right in a way as I say the HQ in Glasgow could not care less about us anymore - I can see the plug on it soon ... but oh well! ”

18:00 News was just as bad. I think they have outsource the production to the kids in the crèche.
kezo
05-03-2012
Originally Posted by Trajet:
“18:00 News was just as bad. I think they have outsource the production to the kids in the crèche.”

LOL - Trajet are you in the STV North area I take it? ... I can not believe this has now happened twice now (didnt see 6pm bulletin) someone needs head kicked in here ... there is no excuse especially twice in one day ... but hey ho its STV for us ... let me guess no apology then?? :sleep:
Mr Sirs
05-03-2012
Originally Posted by Trajet:
“18:00 News was just as bad. I think they have outsource the production to the kids in the crèche.”




That would explain why my neighbours 3 year old had a big smile on his face before he sat down with his rusks at teatime.
kezo
05-03-2012
Originally Posted by Mr Sirs:
“That would explain why my neighbours 3 year old had a big smile on his face before he sat down with his rusks at teatime. ”

LOL either that or he thought it was a game of "tetris" ... or "spot the presenters"
Mr Sirs
05-03-2012
Originally Posted by kezo:
“LOL either that or he thought it was a game of "tetris" ... or "spot the presenters" ”



Now, now any more talk like that kezo and DS will do a page 33 on you! LOL
kezo
05-03-2012
Originally Posted by Mr Sirs:
“Now, now any more talk like that kezo and DS will do a page 33 on you! LOL ”

LOL screw DS LOL .... i'll just look for that loose screw where is it now?? .... Oh it'll appear on "Scotland Tonight" with John McKay and the other one whats her name???? ..... ... expect problems for "news in your local area" tonight! ... Will I be watching sadly not ... lets just hope its not another cock up in STV North tonight if so strike 3 in 1 day! ... cheap as chips
wavejockglw
05-03-2012
Is it fair to say that STV is now the UK's worst local commercial TV station?

It produces almost nothing other than news and that is shared with the BBC!

It's a truly shocking National Broadcaster which is why the SNP Government need to establish a Scottish Broadcasting Commisson to deliver programming that a nation of 6 million should expect.
kezo
05-03-2012
Originally Posted by wavejockglw:
“Is it fair to say that STV is now the UK's worst local commercial TV station?

It produces almost nothing other than news and that is shared with the BBC!

It's a truly shocking National Broadcaster which is why the SNP Government need to establish a Scottish Broadcasting Commisson to deliver programming that a nation of 6 million should expect.”

I couldnt agree more with your post wavejock - something needs to be done with STV being honest after this shambles I seen today there is no excuse for it and yet in this day/age you expect a channel of this size to be doing more (regardless of ITV output) it should be acting as a competitor against all the channels and sadly its failing quick so I hope whatever happens next STV does do SOMETHING but its a pipe dream (possibly?)
seiko456
05-03-2012
Remember the opts out are still going to appear"!
kezo
05-03-2012
Originally Posted by seiko456:
“Remember the opts out are still going to appear"!”

The opt outs may still appear Seiko so will the viewers if need be flick off

Heck the "opt outs" at moment are poor also lets be honest they are cheap programmes/imports or 2 year old ITV Networked programmes .... so lets be honest STV have shot themselves in the foot anyway. If STV had stuck to the networked programmes as scheduled then I would argue for more Regional/local opt-outs but since this is not the route STV took ... they decided to make up the "relevance to Scotland" act and yet what did tthat prove? A backfire STV have got a long way to go before I will ever use the channel again but since they couldnt care less about my news then thats where my loyalty is for the channel itself "dont care about us in North then take a hike" I'll choose the ITVPlayer/ITV1 when I can as for STV ... the S stands for Shambles or shambolic TV not Scottish ... and the Scottish went with their own crap programming....
seiko456
05-03-2012
Originally Posted by kezo:
“The opt outs may still appear Seiko so will the viewers if need be flick off

Heck the "opt outs" at moment are poor also lets be honest they are cheap programmes/imports or 2 year old ITV Networked programmes .... so lets be honest STV have shot themselves in the foot anyway. If STV had stuck to the networked programmes as scheduled then I would argue for more Regional/local opt-outs but since this is not the route STV took ... they decided to make up the "relevance to Scotland" act and yet what did tthat prove? A backfire STV have got a long way to go before I will ever use the channel again but since they couldnt care less about my news then thats where my loyalty is for the channel itself "dont care about us in North then take a hike" I'll choose the ITVPlayer/ITV1 when I can as for STV ... the S stands for Shambles or shambolic TV not Scottish ... and the Scottish went with their own crap programming....”

Those Brought in programmes dont count towards the OPT out Quoter

its the like home grown shows that do.
kezo
05-03-2012
Originally Posted by seiko456:
“Those Brought in programmes dont count towards the OPT out Quoter

its the like home grown shows that do. ”

still in short CRAP opt outs seiko If they were "quality" programming I am sure everyone on this thread be shouting from the rooftops praising STV for them ... but are they? ... answer is no ... as you and I know these "opt outs" that are the so called compete against ITV and other networks are cheaply produced and that STV themselves didnt need to lift a finger and do it I guess you forgot that didnt you and being supposedly being "relevant to scotland" .... right sure, as if I really care that Sean Batty went to the Isle of Lewis to see the "northern lights" .... if I wanted to see the "northern lights" just look out the window and you could look at the stars or better yet see if any UFO's fly about

So if these "bought in" programmes are not part of the "quota" for the network what were they then? ... as the programmes were not "local" or "regional" ... oh thats right it was aimed to out run ITV and whats happened? Possibly failing/failed ... but it still does not give the STV viewers waiting over 2 years on a programme does it? I have more respect for ITV than I do STV now at least if they are "scottish" actors on programmes you will at least see them on ITV2/3/4 as STV I think does not "recognise" scottishness but it rather be "australian" or "irish"
seiko456
05-03-2012
I agree some of the new opt out are bad, the current list has the following

* Moviejuice
* Scottish passport.
* Sean Batty show

that all that counts towards it, as you say the rest is about not paying for the shows from ITV.

This new agreement changes all that, expect to 3, 30mins slots between 7pm - 10pm each week :P
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