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Old 26-07-2011, 16:42
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Hi pcuk

I appreciate that the success of DA could not have been predicted BUT when was the last time film and stage actress Maggie Smith appeared in a TV series? That alone should perhaps have made STV think that this just might be a gem.

And when episode 1 was shown we did NOT get new Taggart. We got a programme called 'Scot in the Antarctic' with Billy Connolly, made in 1997......

I will never understand why the new Taggart did not begin the same time as DA - but deciding to blow the dust off an old travel programme and expect viewers to watch it when a heavily advertised drama was being shown in the rest of the UK was wishful thinking at its best....

And of course all the dropped shows are DRAMA. The soaps and the reality rubbish remains - STV would not dare touch them - but when it comes to drama they feel they can ditch established shows with no fear of a backlash.

If Taggart is the only programme in the STV drama stable then heaven help them. With Robbie now in Corrie I doubt any more will be made.....
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Old 26-07-2011, 21:07
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Followed by the search for a new format for Miss McManus

"Michelle - Ma Belle"
is she Cinderella in this programme?? lol
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Old 26-07-2011, 21:10
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OR Taggart underbelly,

Team get the sack do due cutback thus move to the land of oz for new jobs... but found out that BIG TAM got connection in this part of the world aswell

I WISH There would go back to 3 parts
I am sure Seiko that all 3 parts of the old "taggart" on Alibi are edited together in one!

I vaguely remember "taggart" in the 80's was more late 90's 00's before I knew it was on and even knew what the programme was I thought it was American!

like the idea "taggart underbelly" why not "taggart goes to OZ"?
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Old 30-07-2011, 20:20
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Didn't someone say we STV sufferers - sorry! - viewers were getting the latest 'Midsomer Murders' in early August?

Quick look at the schedules and there is no sign - not even on ITV2/3/4.

Any further news?
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Old 31-07-2011, 15:49
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Didn't someone say we STV sufferers - sorry! - viewers were getting the latest 'Midsomer Murders' in early August?

Quick look at the schedules and there is no sign - not even on ITV2/3/4.

Any further news?
maybe you may as well buy that on DVD its currently being shown on ITV1 as far as I know

I wonder if this will be under another "swap" like what they are doing with "doc martin"
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Old 31-07-2011, 19:30
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Its been said that Downton Abbey, will be broadcast at 4.00 on a Sunday afternoon
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Old 31-07-2011, 19:48
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next Sundays line up

3.05 Doc Martin
4.00 Downton Abbey
5.30 STV News
5.45 ITV News
6.00 Football === ?????
7.00 Joanna Lumleys Nile Repeat
8.00 Born to Shine
9.00 Law and Order
10.00 ITV News
10.15 Charlie Wilsons War
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Old 31-07-2011, 21:52
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next Sundays line up

3.05 Doc Martin
4.00 Downton Abbey
5.30 STV News
5.45 ITV News
6.00 Football === ?????
7.00 Joanna Lumleys Nile Repeat
8.00 Born to Shine
9.00 Law and Order
10.00 ITV News
10.15 Charlie Wilsons War
moving "doc martin" further back now oh well "downton" starts I wonder if STV will put out a warning saying it contains "adult" content
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Old 31-07-2011, 22:45
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moving "doc martin" further back now oh well "downton" starts I wonder if STV will put out a warning saying it contains "adult" content
I would put money on NEW midsummer appear on sundays at 3pm
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Old 31-07-2011, 23:40
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I would put money on NEW midsummer appear on sundays at 3pm

I will agree with you on that but I already seen them screw STV and their cock ups!

Ok they may have had stick from public but all of this really should have been on at time of broadcast of ITV1 - IF programmes "fail" with STV - its STV to BLAME not ITV1 and oh look tomorrow "the chase" is on STV! let me guess its the NEW SERIES showing on ITV1 and NOT previous series (that have never been broadcast except ONE WEEKS worth) but glad STV seem to be doing SOMETHING RIGHT!

Is it just me but the way STV advertise things for programmes seem "tacky"? ie "downton abbey" narrator rambled on about "upstairs downstairs" if advertising it just make it short and cut the crap
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Old 31-07-2011, 23:42
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I will agree with you on that but I already seen them screw STV and their cock ups!

Ok they may have had stick from public but all of this really should have been on at time of broadcast of ITV1 - IF programmes "fail" with STV - its STV to BLAME not ITV1 and oh look tomorrow "the chase" is on STV! let me guess its the NEW SERIES showing on ITV1 and NOT previous series (that have never been broadcast except ONE WEEKS worth) but glad STV seem to be doing SOMETHING RIGHT!

Is it just me but the way STV advertise things for programmes seem "tacky"? ie "downton abbey" narrator rambled on about "upstairs downstairs" if advertising it just make it short and cut the crap!
that Chase is a ITV1 repeat.
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Old 01-08-2011, 11:58
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next Sundays line up

3.05 Doc Martin
4.00 Downton Abbey
5.30 STV News
5.45 ITV News
6.00 Football === ?????
7.00 Joanna Lumleys Nile Repeat
8.00 Born to Shine
9.00 Law and Order
10.00 ITV News
10.15 Charlie Wilsons War
So - three programmes that had 'no relevance in Scotland' now make an appearance! The timing is nonsense, of course, Doc Martin often has adult content as has Downton - both are certificate 12 on the dvd.

Still, a Sunday afternoon might be a good time for DA - and at least they have bitten the bullet and agreed to show it.

I just hope series 2 goes out at the same time as the rest of the UK......

(saw 'Charlie Wilson's War' on ITV3 - it is quite enjoyable and has a great cast!)
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Old 04-08-2011, 22:53
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I just hope series 2 goes out at the same time as the rest of the UK......
I am absolutely certain that series 2 will be transmitted throughout the UK at the same time.

You can only get so much egg on your face before you can't get any more to stick! Even at STV.
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Old 05-08-2011, 00:58
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that Chase is a ITV1 repeat.
Oh its a repeat ... I guess you meant to say its ITV1's "repeat" and NOT STV as everything they are "showing" thats new aint that new

So according to STV its "new" since all we got was "the hour" during the time "the chase" and "dinner date" was shown at time of broadcasting with ITV1

so I guess give ITV1 a clap of showing it for us in scotland (freeview viewers especially)

Also I watched that "underbelly" what the biggest cack I have ever watched in my entire life - Glad I have been watching "homes from hell 2011" over on ITV Player on PS3
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Old 05-08-2011, 01:02
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So - three programmes that had 'no relevance in Scotland' now make an appearance! The timing is nonsense, of course, Doc Martin often has adult content as has Downton - both are certificate 12 on the dvd.

Still, a Sunday afternoon might be a good time for DA - and at least they have bitten the bullet and agreed to show it.

I just hope series 2 goes out at the same time as the rest of the UK......

(saw 'Charlie Wilson's War' on ITV3 - it is quite enjoyable and has a great cast!)
In the words of Cilla Black "Surprise Surprise" I guess this is STV "catching up" now is it? .... I wonder next week you get to see "collision" or they reshow "the bill" from where they took off (doubt it of course) still shows that if STV are providing "alternatives" its failed ... oh well where is the "surrender flag" when you need one?
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Old 05-08-2011, 08:33
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I saw one of the promotions for Downton Abbey on STV last night, I could not help remembering all the things they said about how irrelevant it was to Scottish viewers as I listened to the hype!
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Old 05-08-2011, 11:54
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I saw one of the promotions for Downton Abbey on STV last night, I could not help remembering all the things they said about how irrelevant it was to Scottish viewers as I listened to the hype!
I wonder if "quotes" used to advertise it were ITV1's "own" it proves the point that the stv plan has backfired claiming to show the "alternatives" for scots has not worked that well - I think majority of people in Scotland are familar with British dramas on STV/Grampian/ITV1 than what STV had actually done but like what has been said before has STV ever "apologised" nope
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Old 05-08-2011, 11:56
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Yes, you have to laugh.

Of course, they will argue that they had no way of knowing how popular it would be - but I think the track record of the writer (Julian Fellows) and the presence of the wonderful Dame Maggie Smith would be a BIT of a clue.....

But then "costume drama does not do well in Scotland. Viewers prefer grittier drama".

They won't do well if you fail to show them. And the gritty Underbelly is dying a death.

And who can forget the screening of 'Fitz' - one of the first opt outs. They would have been wiser to reshow Cracker....
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Old 05-08-2011, 12:12
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I saw one of the promotions for Downton Abbey on STV last night, I could not help remembering all the things they said about how irrelevant it was to Scottish viewers as I listened to the hype!
Yes, even I was quite amused by that.

I think the experiment was worthwhile. I tend to subscribe to the concept that most people in Scotland would rather watch The Football Years than some of the dramas, but the success of Downton Abbey, and the anger of the opinion-forming audience it attracts, was a fatal blow.

With the agreement with ITV PLC, I can see STV reversing quite a bit now. A shame as far as I can see, as STV was at least trying to provide a different option and had an obligation to consider life beyond ITV PLC in the network, but I can see why people were angry.
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Old 05-08-2011, 12:31
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Yes, you have to laugh.

Of course, they will argue that they had no way of knowing how popular it would be - but I think the track record of the writer (Julian Fellows) and the presence of the wonderful Dame Maggie Smith would be a BIT of a clue.....

But then "costume drama does not do well in Scotland. Viewers prefer grittier drama".

They won't do well if you fail to show them. And the gritty Underbelly is dying a death.

And who can forget the screening of 'Fitz' - one of the first opt outs. They would have been wiser to reshow Cracker....

I thought that myself!

regarding DA did STV think it was a documentary? i thought on post before thats what they thought

viewers prefer "grittier" drama - oh yes and what is that "taggart" ??? - STV get over yourselves

also if its an all star cast on a drama how stupid can you be?

regarding the argument for interests of scotland give me a break - i rather hit benidorm than view scotland from above and in a drift!
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Old 05-08-2011, 13:43
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The big problem for STV was that we do not live in a vacuum and were ALL TOO AWARE of what we were missing. Advert after advert for new drama or a new series of an established drama would appear in Scottish papers, bill boards and listings mags.

Unless they blocked the advertisements on TV and made good use of scissors on every single newspaper, not to mention unplugging the internet, STV had no way of preventing their viewers from realising they were being cheated of quality series they would previously have enjoyed.

No wonder we were not amused.
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Old 05-08-2011, 16:24
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Yes, even I was quite amused by that.

I think the experiment was worthwhile. I tend to subscribe to the concept that most people in Scotland would rather watch The Football Years than some of the dramas, but the success of Downton Abbey, and the anger of the opinion-forming audience it attracts, was a fatal blow.

With the agreement with ITV PLC, I can see STV reversing quite a bit now. A shame as far as I can see, as STV was at least trying to provide a different option and had an obligation to consider life beyond ITV PLC in the network, but I can see why people were angry.
It will be interesting to see how many adverts there are during these showings of Downton Abbey. All too often adverts are very few on the ground on STV, I know the arguments about there being more at peak times but you don't get so few on other commercial channels and it is never a good sign to have the whole advertising break full of promotions for their own programmes.
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Old 05-08-2011, 16:28
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YBut then "costume drama does not do well in Scotland. Viewers prefer grittier drama".
I think there used to be the same attitude at BBC Scotland. Some very popular and successful series were set in the Highlands going back to Sutherland's Law through to Hamish MacBeth and Monarch of the Glen but it was always said that some factions in Queen Margaret Drive resented the success of these and thought they should be making grittier drama set in Glasgow tenements etc.
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Old 05-08-2011, 18:38
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Yes, even I was quite amused by that.

I think the experiment was worthwhile. I tend to subscribe to the concept that most people in Scotland would rather watch The Football Years than some of the dramas, but the success of Downton Abbey, and the anger of the opinion-forming audience it attracts, was a fatal blow.
I think it is almost impossible to compare viewer choices, pcuk - I know of no one who watched 'The Football Years' but I imagine that the audience for a sport based clip show would be different from that for a costume or detective drama of the gentle sort (Midsomer, Lewis etc)?

That was always the problem - drama went - and was replaced by a look at how bonny Scotland is from a variety of angles - and weather conditions - and futile searches for 'Greatest Scot' etc. All, essentially, CHEAP programmes.

The audience knew this - as did the advertisers.
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Old 05-08-2011, 20:21
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I think it is almost impossible to compare viewer choices, pcuk - I know of no one who watched 'The Football Years' but I imagine that the audience for a sport based clip show would be different from that for a costume or detective drama of the gentle sort (Midsomer, Lewis etc)?

That was always the problem - drama went - and was replaced by a look at how bonny Scotland is from a variety of angles - and weather conditions - and futile searches for 'Greatest Scot' etc. All, essentially, CHEAP programmes.

The audience knew this - as did the advertisers.
Yeah and also STV got into problems with having the "SNP" backing its "homecoming" programmes such as "greatest scot" "made in scotland" and possibly the "scotland revealed" I am an SNP voter (not getting into politics here) however what STV has done proves the point. People will look elsewhere and use other means to view MISSED programmes
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