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Susan might as well of got second place/first because of her 'deal'
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sensoria
18-07-2011
I thought Susan was the perfect example of someone who is a survivior, not an "entrepreneur" and that word has to be the most incorrectly used word ever on this programme.

She is a market trader and does ok out of it. You could take any market trader and give them £250,000 and you might make a bit more money.

This is the same woman that pushed a product in the beuty task saying she could seel soo many an hour and sold no where near what she suggested.

She was lucky; a lot.
Mozitski
18-07-2011
Originally Posted by UnrealityTV:
“IMHO making 'deals' with the one who hasn't won makes a complete mockery of the whole thing. The point is to have a winner, is it not? Not just chuck some money the way of whoever's idea you like,”

Lawl, made me giggle in the morning, correcting my title from OF to HAVE.

Anyway, i think he first wanted to hire Susan TBH but because he's changed the format so much it would have been a psstake if helen came third. Also, Tom has like loads of ideas or something and Alan wants to sif them out.
Tourista
18-07-2011
Originally Posted by sensoria:
“She was lucky; a lot.”

Far from it.

She has developed a product, sold it, has her own website, and you sneeringly describe her as a "market trader" alone?.

I really suggest you look up the meaning of "entrepreneur" and see it fits her pretty well.
diary_room
18-07-2011
I have as sneaking suspicion that LS is going to make more money from a deal with Susan than from Tom.
capekdeh
18-07-2011
Originally Posted by sensoria:
“I thought Susan was the perfect example of someone who is a survivior, not an "entrepreneur" and that word has to be the most incorrectly used word ever on this programme.

She is a market trader and does ok out of it. You could take any market trader and give them £250,000 and you might make a bit more money.

This is the same woman that pushed a product in the beuty task saying she could seel soo many an hour and sold no where near what she suggested.

She was lucky; a lot.”

I agreed with Margaret last night when she said Susan is the only one in the final 4 that you can call an entrepreneur. At the same time, she is a market trader as well. Tom is an inventor, Helen is an organiser (office worker) and Jim is a salesman.
Zoltan Smith
18-07-2011
Originally Posted by Mozitski:
“Lord Sugar on "You're Hired" said he is going to be in close contact with her yet didn't say anything about Helen WHO WAS second place, just goes to show Susan is the real runner up doesn't it?

I think Helen was second place because you can't fault her progress during the process, like one loss I believe.

P.S: Now I see why Alan Sugar was gunning for Tom to win.”

haha

He wont touch her with a bargepole. If i was Ma I would not be awaiting a call
Cressida
18-07-2011
Originally Posted by Zoltan Smith:
“haha

He wont touch her with a bargepole. If i was Ma I would not be awaiting a call”

That is probably what you would like to think.
sensoria
18-07-2011
Originally Posted by capekdeh:
“I agreed with Margaret last night when she said Susan is the only one in the final 4 that you can call an entrepreneur. At the same time, she is a market trader as well. Tom is an inventor, Helen is an organiser (office worker) and Jim is a salesman.”

Much as I would hate to disagree with the esteemed Margret Mountford I still feel the word entrpreneur is the wrong one.

"Self employed" yes.

My dad has been a builder for 40 years working for himself, he is not considered an entrepreneur though, just a builder.

A lad who works for a window cleaners then decides to buy his own ladders and bucket, does he get classed as an entrepreneur?
Zoltan Smith
18-07-2011
Originally Posted by Cressida:
“That is probably what you would like to think. ”

Sugar does not like BS merchants like MA
37 Years
18-07-2011
Originally Posted by Mozitski:
“Lawl, made me giggle in the morning, correcting my title from OF to HAVE.

Anyway, i think he first wanted to hire Susan TBH but because he's changed the format so much it would have been a psstake if helen came third. Also, Tom has like loads of ideas or something and Alan wants to sif them out. ”

I was going to correct it as well.

I agree, however, that Susan should have come second.

Helen's 'business plan' was a shocker.
UnrealityTV
18-07-2011
Originally Posted by Mozitski:
“Lawl, made me giggle in the morning, correcting my title from OF to HAVE. ”

Considering that it's an English-using internet forum, and that internet forums use written communication, the ability to write using proper English is quite fundamental, don't you think?

In much the same way that a fundamental part of using a washing machine is to put clothes and soap powder/liquid into it, not old car parts and sunflower oil...
silkstone
18-07-2011
Originally Posted by UnrealityTV:
“Considering that it's an English-using internet forum, and that internet forums use written communication, the ability to write using proper English is quite fundamental, don't you think?
”

To some maybe, although I can work out what someone is saying, even if the grammar or spelling isn't perfect.

Our barnis are frialy proewufl tnhigs!
Cressida
18-07-2011
Originally Posted by Zoltan Smith:
“Sugar does not like BS merchants like MA”

That's unless someone wants to spin their own thoughts as being fact.

I really don't know why I am bothering to reply when Susan has her own company delivering skin care products. Given LAS wants to work with her as evidenced on Your Hired it's easily undertandable that there's been nothing approaching BS throughout the whole process.
bigmatt1234
18-07-2011
Originally Posted by diary_room:
“I have as sneaking suspicion that LS is going to make more money from a deal with Susan than from Tom.”

Agree.
37 Years
18-07-2011
Originally Posted by silkstone:
“To some maybe, although I can work out what someone is saying, even if the grammar or spelling isn't perfect.

Our barnis are frialy proewufl tnhigs!”

You are right that it is possible to still know what someone is trying to say, but I disagree that it is not important to get the grammar etc right.
silkstone
18-07-2011
Originally Posted by 37 Years:
“You are right that it is possible to still know what someone is trying to say, but I disagree that it is not important to get the grammar etc right.”

On a formal document, yes, I agree; on an internet forum, no.
Zoltan Smith
18-07-2011
Originally Posted by Cressida:
“That's unless someone wants to spin their own thoughts as being fact.

I really don't know why I am bothering to reply when Susan has her own company delivering skin care products. Given LAS wants to work with her as evidenced on Your Hired it's easily undertandable that there's been nothing approaching BS throughout the whole process.”

apart from in the interview process where she was called a BS merchant and her business was pulled apart...
Cressida
18-07-2011
Originally Posted by Zoltan Smith:
“apart from in the interview process where she was called a BS merchant and her business was pulled apart...”

Susan's projections weren't correct but one of LAS's accountants could deal with that in instant. Mostly likely senario is that's it's already been done and much as it may annoy LAS is aware Susan's business plan has legs.
37 Years
18-07-2011
Originally Posted by Cressida:
“That's unless someone wants to spin their own thoughts as being fact.

I really don't know why I am bothering to reply when Susan has her own company delivering skin care products. Given LAS wants to work with her as evidenced on Your Hired it's easily undertandable that there's been nothing approaching BS throughout the whole process.”

You mean "you're hired" as in "you are hired".

Originally Posted by silkstone:
“On a formal document, yes, I agree; on an internet forum, no.”

If standards slip on a forum, it means it is easier and more likely for it to happen on a formal document.
silkstone
18-07-2011
Originally Posted by 37 Years:
“You mean "you're hired" as in "you are hired".



If standards slip on a forum, it means it is easier and more likely for it to happen on a formal document.”

Fairly sweeping, my standards slip every Friday and Saturday night in the pub when I'm with my old friends from school, then come Monday I'm back up to scratch.
bigmatt1234
18-07-2011
Originally Posted by Cressida:
“Susan's projections weren't correct but one of LAS's accountants could deal with that in instant. Mostly likely senario is that's it's already been done and much as it may annoy LAS is aware Susan's business plan has legs.”

Yes - I though the fact that her projections were overcooked got too much attention. It's not ideal, but if there was a genuine business there (that would perhaps make a third of the projections) it shouldn't stop an investor going ahead.

I'm not saying she does have an amazing plan (as I haven't seen it in detail) but if I was happy with revised projections and thought it was a sound business plan then I'd still be interested.
Cressida
18-07-2011
Originally Posted by 37 Years:
“You mean "you're hired" as in "you are hired".”

Of course but content is everything although it's good to know when one is slipping. Thanks for the prompt.
37 Years
18-07-2011
Originally Posted by silkstone:
“Fairly sweeping, my standards slip every Friday and Saturday night in the pub when I'm with my old friends from school, then come Monday I'm back up to scratch.”

That might be true of yourself, but not everyone else on here.

Originally Posted by Cressida:
“Of course but content is everything although it's good to know when one is slipping. Thanks for the prompt.”

And thanks for not taking it personally

You are of course correct that content is everything
brangdon
18-07-2011
Originally Posted by bigmatt1234:
“Yes - I though the fact that her projections were overcooked got too much attention. It's not ideal, but if there was a genuine business there (that would perhaps make a third of the projections) it shouldn't stop an investor going ahead.”

But, at best, it made it hard to tell if there was a real business model there. She claimed it would scale, but there's no evidence it would and plenty of reason to think it wouldn't. It's a tough market with established competition already spending huge amounts. Susan was hopelessly naive and optimistic.
lightblues
18-07-2011
Originally Posted by sensoria:
“I thought Susan was the perfect example of someone who is a survivior, not an "entrepreneur" and that word has to be the most incorrectly used word ever on this programme.

She is a market trader and does ok out of it. You could take any market trader and give them £250,000 and you might make a bit more money.

This is the same woman that pushed a product in the beuty task saying she could seel soo many an hour and sold no where near what she suggested.

She was lucky; a lot.”

perhaps you need to give her a bit more credit.
Sugar was a 'market trader' when he started out are you saying he is lucky too?
learn to give credit where it is due, she's 21 and done great for herself she'll be a millionairess before she's 30 , good luck to her.
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