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New Guardian ICM Poll - Tories ahead, Labour down 3% and LDs up 4%

MARTYM8MARTYM8 Posts: 44,710
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Interesting new poll - with surprising results.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/jul/18/phone-hacking-guardian-icm-poll

"The phone-hacking crisis has so far done little to shift attitudes to political leaders and their parties, a Guardian/ICM poll suggests. A small recovery in Ed Miliband's personal rating has not been matched by a rise in Labour support.

Instead, the Liberal Democrats appeared to have gained most, with party support up four points to 16%. That is the highest in an ICM poll since March, and also higher than in recent polls, whose different methodology typically shows a higher Labour and low Lib Dem share than the long-running Guardian/ICM series.

This month's rise in Lib Dem support has come at Labour's expense, with the party dropping three points to 36%.

This move, not yet confirmed by other polls, has the effect of giving the Conservatives, unchanged on 37%, a one-point lead. Only one other poll this year, also from ICM in March, has shown the Conservatives ahead. Other smaller parties are on a combined 11%."
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    Jayceef1Jayceef1 Posts: 3,515
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    I think it goes to show that the general public really are not that interested in the hacking saga and are far more concerned about the economic realities of life and who is best placed to get us out of the financial mess we are in.

    The media are perpetuating the hacking for their own self publicising ends.
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    JillyJilly Posts: 20,455
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    The Guardian must be terribly disappointed its a wonder they did not bury that news!
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 9,152
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    The Tories aren't unpopular, Cameron is , big difference
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    PizzatheactionPizzatheaction Posts: 20,157
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    The best poll ever was the one to put the Tories a few points ahead, just a couple of days before the 1997 election. :D
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 20,096
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    The Tories aren't unpopular, Cameron is , big difference

    Currently Cameron is ahead of Miliband in the leader's ratings.........
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    You_moYou_mo Posts: 11,334
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    Jayceef1 wrote: »
    I think it goes to show that the general public really are not that interested in the hacking saga and are far more concerned about the economic realities of life and who is best placed to get us out of the financial mess we are in.

    The media are perpetuating the hacking for their own self publicising ends.

    :D Yeah, that's exactly what it means. It doesn't mean that the Tories are ahead in polls, it ACTUALLY means the general public aren't interested in the hacking scandal and police bribery.
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    MARTYM8MARTYM8 Posts: 44,710
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    The best poll ever was the one to put the Tories a few points ahead, just a couple of days before the 1997 election. :D

    Sorry - but can you provide some evidence for that statement- was the poll you referred to conducted in Surrey?:D

    In fact there was no national poll showing the Tories ahead of Labour in the lead up to the 1997 election - instead almost every poll (including all but one out of the last 15 conducted) actually overestimated Labour's lead (by up to 10%).

    http://ipsos.co.uk/newsevents/ca/93/The-Polls-and-the-British-General-Election-of-1997.aspx
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    JillyJilly Posts: 20,455
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    The Tories aren't unpopular, Cameron is , big difference

    Hes the most popular Leader!!!!!!!
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    JillyJilly Posts: 20,455
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    MARTYM8 wrote: »
    Sorry - but can you provide some evidence for that statement- was the poll you referred to conducted in Surrey?:D

    In fact there was no national poll showing the Tories ahead of Labour in the lead up to the 1997 election - instead almost every poll (including all but one out of the last 15 conducted) actually overestimated Labour's lead (by up to 10%).

    http://ipsos.co.uk/newsevents/ca/93/The-Polls-and-the-British-General-Election-of-1997.aspx

    That was before the "It's alright" incident.:o
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    MARTYM8MARTYM8 Posts: 44,710
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    Jilly wrote: »
    That was before the "It's alright" incident.:o

    That was 1992!
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    JillyJilly Posts: 20,455
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    MARTYM8 wrote: »
    That was 1992!

    Your right, oh dear:o
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    PizzatheactionPizzatheaction Posts: 20,157
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    MARTYM8 wrote: »
    Sorry - but can you provide some evidence for that statement- was the poll you referred to conducted in Surrey?:D

    In fact there was no national poll showing the Tories ahead of Labour in the lead up to the 1997 election - instead almost every poll (including all but one out of the last 15 conducted) actually overestimated Labour's lead (by up to 10%).

    http://ipsos.co.uk/newsevents/ca/93/The-Polls-and-the-British-General-Election-of-1997.aspx
    It's been missed off the list for some reason, but I remember it well. :D
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 20,096
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    What's interesting about this poll though, is in reference to Ed Miliband's ratings. While they have clearly recovered from quite low points in recent months, is Miliband's improvement in ratings due to Labour's supporters suddenly finding a new found confidence in their leader or those undecided/floating voters? I've been thinking this recently, in the last couple of days or so, so this finding in the ICM poll is interesting, but not neccessarily conclusive. There's more polls to go though today - Populus poll (Times) and a ComRes poll so I'll watch out for that.
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    alanr74alanr74 Posts: 4,684
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    I would say the ICM poll is a bit of an outliner. I certainly don't feel the LDs should have gained so many supporters back through all of this (there are a lot of don't know/wont vote people, who voted LD last election, far higher than any other party).

    Still will be interesting to see the other results.
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    SouthCitySouthCity Posts: 12,637
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    alanr74 wrote: »
    I would say the ICM poll is a bit of an outliner. I certainly don't feel the LDs should have gained so many supporters back through all of this (there are a lot of don't know/wont vote people, who voted LD last election, far higher than any other party).

    Still will be interesting to see the other results.

    The LDs are the only party that has consistently been hostile towards Murdoch over the last twenty years, so there could be a small bounce as a result of this.

    I agree that one poll isn't really worth talking about - we need to see a trend of several polls to form an opinion.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,720
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    alanr74 wrote: »
    I would say the ICM poll is a bit of an outliner. I certainly don't feel the LDs should have gained so many supporters back through all of this (there are a lot of don't know/wont vote people, who voted LD last election, far higher than any other party).

    Still will be interesting to see the other results.

    Quote from The Independent....poll in paper 17th July....

    The survey also shows that Ed Miliband has enjoyed a bounce from his handling of the scandal, with his personal rating up seven points on a month ago. The Labour leader secured four victories since the scandal erupted 10 days ago: calling for a public inquiry, demanding Rebekah Brooks's resignation, calling for the BSkyB deal to be dropped and suggesting that Rupert Murdoch apologise to Milly Dowler's family.

    By contrast, David Cameron's personal rating has fallen by three points.

    Labour are up three points to 40 per cent on last month's poll for the IoS, while the Conservatives are down one point at 36. The Lib Dems remain unchanged on 10 per cent.

    Not quite the same as what you were stating at the beginning then MARTYM8?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/murdoch-down-and-ed-miliband-up-in-new-opinion-poll-2315112.html
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    jswift909jswift909 Posts: 11,360
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    Tories should appreciate the lead whilst they can - it'll be gone again tomorrow.

    This poll does seem somewhat out-of-whack with recent surveys. And certainly very different from the COMRES poll, showing

    " Labour are up three points to 40 per cent on last month's poll for the IoS, while the Conservatives are down one point at 36. The Lib Dems remain unchanged on 10 per cent"

    for the same polling date.

    In the case of this ICM poll there has been no gain for the Tories, simply a loss to the vote for Labour. LibDems have picked up - don't know if that's genuine or just this one poll result.

    You might find it was the annual survey takers piss-up the night before the survey, and rather than actually go and do real surveys, they all stayed in bed with hangovers and faked the results. :p
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    deptfordbakerdeptfordbaker Posts: 22,368
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    Maybe the voters don't blame Cameron for employing Coulson. A lot of people believe in giving people second chances and Coulson did nothing wrong while he worked for Cameron.

    Plus Labour are just as covered in Murdoch scandal as the Tories. If Ed Millibands ratings have gone up its because more people actually know who he is, that may not last though when people want real, quality, alternative policies to vote for.

    All they have at the moment is Ed Balls policy of tax cuts, more spending and reducing the deficit slightly slower. Work that one out if you can.
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    deptfordbakerdeptfordbaker Posts: 22,368
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    The Mc wrote: »
    Quote from The Independent....poll in paper 17th July....

    The survey also shows that Ed Miliband has enjoyed a bounce from his handling of the scandal, with his personal rating up seven points on a month ago. The Labour leader secured four victories since the scandal erupted 10 days ago: calling for a public inquiry, demanding Rebekah Brooks's resignation, calling for the BSkyB deal to be dropped and suggesting that Rupert Murdoch apologise to Milly Dowler's family.

    By contrast, David Cameron's personal rating has fallen by three points.

    Labour are up three points to 40 per cent on last month's poll for the IoS, while the Conservatives are down one point at 36. The Lib Dems remain unchanged on 10 per cent.

    Not quite the same as what you were stating at the beginning then MARTYM8?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/murdoch-down-and-ed-miliband-up-in-new-opinion-poll-2315112.html

    Don't forget the three point margin of error.
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    GeorgeSGeorgeS Posts: 20,039
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    Public to Labour: Get lost!

    :D:D:D

    just shows how little this media story resonates with the public.

    Its the economy stuipid (Ed!)
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,720
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    Don't forget the three point margin of error.

    Applies to Guardin poll as well, cancel each other out
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    MARTYM8MARTYM8 Posts: 44,710
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    The Mc wrote: »
    Not quite the same as what you were stating at the beginning then MARTYM8?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/murdoch-down-and-ed-miliband-up-in-new-opinion-poll-2315112.html

    I was merely quoting word for word from the Guardian's poll and article. I didn't add any spin at all!
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,720
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    MARTYM8 wrote: »
    I was merely quoting word for word from the Guardian's poll and article. I didn't add any spin at all!

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    Point taken....
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 9,916
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    Currently Cameron is ahead of Miliband in the leader's ratings.........

    Nick Griffin is probably ahead of him as well. :D
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    Peter the GreatPeter the Great Posts: 14,230
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    GeorgeS wrote: »
    Public to Labour: Get lost!

    :D:D:D

    just shows how little this media story resonates with the public.

    Its the economy stuipid (Ed!)
    I just like how the Tory supporters on here go in to orgasm mode because of 1 poll.:rolleyes:
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