BARB reporting means nothing.


Nothing changed. E4 HD still only Sky/Virgin.

Film 4 HD is still Virgin only. Why bother BARB reporting it when they know the viewing figures are going to be minute? It doesn't make sense.

I still believe that E4 HD, More 4 HD and Film 4 HD are coming to Freesat over the next 12-18 months. Don't ruin this for me!

BARB reporting is used to set the advertising rate card.

There must be a minimum level of distribution before there are enough BARB panel members with the channel to provide useful data.

Film4HD is on a different LCN on Virgin too, it's not swapped with the SD version as on Sky's platform for HD customers so I reckon existing viewing figures are even lower.

BARB reporting would be pointless for them really, they'll probably get back that there are so few watching it's recorded a '0' figure. They'll only need BARB reporting when the launch on satellite or on digital terrestrial if they ever buy a slot.

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Wellcome back Neda- Turk may be we should all be emailing channel 4 to let them know we want Film4HD, E4HD, More4HD FTA and on freesat

Yes you would have thought that Channel 4 had learnt its lesson after they first loaded up E4 in a sky contract only to really watch it out of contract for Big Brother viewers some time ago. But it seems they have leant nothing with there jumping straight back in with sky for the E4HD contract.

Hopefully they don't make the same mistake 3 times in a row.

At least they can't use the copyright/no narrow beams cop out that they and other channels have abused to cover up their money grabbing choices of the past.

It is slightly different. Making E4 HD FTA won't give them a larger reach (which making E4 FTA did), but will lose them subscription income.

Don't forget they have signed with Virgin too, it's not all Sky!!

This month the main C4 is under performing in viewers compared to the ad rates it's charged. So every penny helps.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...ns-advertisers

May be we should email channel 4 and let them know just how many people want it FTA

Derek500.. Are you real!!!!! Saying making E4HD FTA won't give it a big reach....
Single most the biggest load of tosh ive ever heard..
There is millions of viewers that use Freesat/FTA DSAT boxes for their telly viewing, so yes, taking it away from the grubby hands of BskyB's subscription packages, (Your HD subscription) will give it a huge reach and you know it, so talk sense if you are to be on here, not a whine about you losing a HD cannel from your pay package!

I'm saying that making E4 HD FTA won't give E4's programmes a higher reach.

The same number of people will be able to watch E4 programmes whether or not E4 HD is FTA.

This is a different situation to when E4 became FTA. Its reach more than doubled.

BTW E4 HD is pay on Virgin too!!

Are more people watching ITV2/3/4 programmes now that HD versions are available on Sky?

Most of the viewers E4HD would gain would be present SD viewers rather the few viewing it only because it is an HD channel. So possibly a small net gain over the two and would that gain equal or beat the income they are receing from subscriptions. Channel 4 themselves (from the above linked report) seem to think that they may have a shortfall in viewing figures for the advertising they have sold so need every penny they can get from other revenue..

We're not talking about ITV2,3&4 HD here, its E4HD..

The more know that a programme is available to watch in HD, on a channel they are able to view, then that will be beneficial to a broadcaster.
There is next to zero channels you can watch on VM without a subscription, so E4HD on VM is again, a pointless example you give to deflect away from this being digital satellite!!

Late at night if there are two programmes on different channel that I vaguely want to watch, I will always go for the one that I can watch in HD, so yes, having something in HD is a draw.

Suppose that I didn't have E4HD and there was a programme on a HD channel I did get and something on E4SD - E4 would lose out as I would go for the HD programme most of the time.

And of course the more that is FTA means the more of Sky TV I can dump as strangely most people on the planet prefer not having to pay for stuff. (Hard to believe I know! )

I resent sky and their dirty tactics to fleece money out of people. So anything that reduces or stops that can only be a good thing for the majority of right thinking people.

The vacant HD slot on Freeview could deliver millions more viewers for Film4HD or E4HD when combined with a FreeSat launch. It all depends on when the exclusive HD pay TV contracts end.

Not if they just switch from the SD version to HD. Currently E4 gets extra income from Sky/Virgin if the HD version is watched.


E4 HD is in the most expensive XL pack, unlike the dozens of channels which are available in cheaper bundles.

At the expense of the SD versions. Millions more won't watch because something is in HD.

Still the same number watching the ads.

The Horror Channel is in the XL package on Virgin but that is still FTA on satellite so not sure what the package E4HD is in on Virgin has any baring on what the service could do on the satellite platform.

I hope E4HD becomes FTA soon, although personally I would much rather Film4HD arriving on FTA satellite.

With milions more buying HD TV's and not wanting sky, I think they would watch E4HD FTA and not watch E4SD

...and millions of those TV's don't have an HD source.

My neighbour recently bought a new TV and the box was out for recycling. It had Full HD on the box, but on closer inspection it was standard Freeview and not Freeview HD.

No dish and no cable, so they won't be watching any HD. Bet they think they are though!!

Ask them if they are watching HD or think they are. Maybe they have a Freeview HD box, may by they have bluray dvd...

Who knows?
I never inspect my neighbours rubbish...

Yes but I expect he has sky hd and does not realize he is not getting it, hope you told him

Jesus derek, give it a rest will ya!!!!

Face facts that more and more HD channels will move to FTA services as the money is more though advertising than what Sky can give in subscriptions. The more watch it, the more it makes in ad revenue.
As for looking though your neighbours rubbish, perhaps see a therapist about that.