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Astra 1N - Any News ?
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bn-7bc
28-10-2011
One guestion can a sky+ hd box lock on to a transponder withot any active broadcasts on it?
I was thinking about 11170.75 H as this is the only 1N transponder that at present I have any chance of locking on to but my box says no signal (I hope it's just a default message when no pids aer found)
ProDave
28-10-2011
Originally Posted by bn-7bc:
“One guestion can a sky+ hd box lock on to a transponder withot any active broadcasts on it?
I was thinking about 11170.75 H as this is the only 1N transponder that at present I have any chance of locking on to but my box says no signal (I hope it's just a default message when no pids aer found)”

A sky box can't manually tune a DVB-S2 transmission, so just says "no signal"

It CAN of course receive DVB-S2 signals, but only if they are listed on the sky EPG.
Neda_Turk
28-10-2011
Originally Posted by ProDave:
“A sky box can't manually tune a DVB-S2 transmission, so just says "no signal"

It CAN of course receive DVB-S2 signals, but only if they are listed on the sky EPG.”

Yes it's called the 'Sky Capture' effect,
EUROPA
28-10-2011
Originally Posted by EUROPA:
“can they 创reduce创 the power of a transponder???”

anyone know the answer to this,i think not,as once its in space you cant change things that much...
brumlad36
28-10-2011
Originally Posted by Phil Owens:
“This new C4 HD (11.127 V) now encrypted ”

Here in Lincoln, I've Tuned Non-Freesat mode on my Humax Foxsat HD box, using the following parameters :-

11127 V 22000 8PSK DVBS2 2/3 "Scan Encrypted"

It finds one channel called "21200". When viewed, the screen says, "This channel is scrambled or not available" Info Plate says that it's 1080i HD. Signal Level 100%, Signal Quality 100%. (Mini-Dish with Quad LNB).

Chris.
MattFilton
28-10-2011
It was clear yesterday but now scrambled in NDS according to my Technomate...
speculator
28-10-2011
Originally Posted by Dave_Dublin:
“I believe what Yves meant was that [the fact that no 2D transponders have been transferred to 1N] is completely transparent to consumers because [to date] there have been no change in frequencies . . .

--- Meaning if any 2D transponders HAD transferred to 1N, there would have been changes to frequencies . . .

Does that make sense ? - or am I misinterpreting ?”

According to the SES website, Astra 2D launched 12/2000 and has a 15 year lifespan (about another 4 years left). It is the home of 28.2癊 spot beam required for UK terrestrial channels. But Astra 2D is full, leaving no room for ITV and Channel 4 to expand their FTA satellite services. As a temporary measure, Channel 4 HD is broadcasting from Eurobird 1.

The next 28.2癊 satellite, Astra 2F is not scheduled to become available for another 12 months. To avoid ITV and Channel 4 having to wait until then, Astra 1N is temporarily being parked at 28.2癊. So I am bewildered that many FMs are posting that Astra 2D will be cleared (when eviction notices won't be issued until 2015). And only to move to Astra 1N (which 28.2癊 channels can only reside for 12 months) requiring them to relocate again next year. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

..... up to Q4/2011 : Astra 2D (FTA terrestrial channels)
Q4/2011 - Q4/2012 : Astra 2D (main terrestrial channels) & Astra 1N (additional terrestrial channels like Channel 4 HD)
Q4/2012 - Q4/2015 : Astra 2D (main terrestrial channels) & Astra 2F (additional terrestrial channels like Channel 4 HD)
Gneiss
28-10-2011
Originally Posted by Neda_Turk:
“They've done something to it as I can no longer get it!

Will inrestigate......

EDIT Yes it is still transmitting but it's comming up coloured red in Transedit.”

I was just getting a black screen a few moments ago, but the signal was even stronger than last night.

I can't check any further as I'm recording something from 19.2E for the next two hours.
kjhskj75
28-10-2011
Strangely.....

Earlier when it was transmitting C4HD, my Bush box refused to store any channel on that frequency, although it was showing a strong signal.

But now it has gone encrypted it does store a channel called "21200", although it cannot display it of course.
EUROPA
28-10-2011
yes mate quite,right,or you could not drive your triumph bike to work at British motor corp.,watch your bush colour tv,or even spend your 8 pounds 13 shillings and sixpence on a slap up meal at the local wimpy bar the 21st c is in the other direction...创im walking backwards for christmas创
Muzer
28-10-2011
Originally Posted by speculator:
“According to the SES website, Astra 2D launched 12/2000 and has a 15 year lifespan (about another 4 years left). It is the home of 28.2癊 spot beam required for UK terrestrial channels. But Astra 2D is full, leaving no room for ITV and Channel 4 to expand their FTA satellite services. As a temporary measure, Channel 4 HD is broadcasting from Eurobird 1.

The next 28.2癊 satellite, Astra 2F is not scheduled to become available for another 12 months. To avoid ITV and Channel 4 having to wait until then, Astra 1N is temporarily being parked at 28.2癊. So I am bewildered that many FMs are posting that Astra 2D will be cleared (when eviction notices won't be issued until 2015). And only to move to Astra 1N (which 28.2癊 channels can only reside for 12 months) requiring them to relocate again next year. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

..... up to Q4/2011 : Astra 2D (FTA terrestrial channels)
Q4/2011 - Q4/2012 : Astra 2D (main terrestrial channels) & Astra 1N (additional terrestrial channels like Channel 4 HD)
Q4/2012 - Q4/2015 : Astra 2D (main terrestrial channels) & Astra 2F (additional terrestrial channels like Channel 4 HD)”

In 2013, 2D will be replaced by 2E (it's been confirmed, I believe), so that list isn't quite accurate. 2G will launch in 2014 I think.
Ignite
28-10-2011
Originally Posted by EUROPA:
“anyone know the answer to this,i think not,as once its in space you cant change things that much...”

The power of a transponder can be varied. If a transponder is being used for a feed, it can be set to run at a lower power than DTH broadcasts.
Winston_1
28-10-2011
Originally Posted by EUROPA:
“anyone know the answer to this,i think not,as once its in space you cant change things that much...”

Yes they can. The output power of a transponder is directy proportional to the input so they just reduce the uplink signal. EUROPA did you get my PM's a few weeks ago?
oddball
28-10-2011
Originally Posted by Dave_Dublin:
“I believe what Yves meant was that [the fact that no 2D transponders have been transferred to 1N] is completely transparent to consumers because [to date] there have been no change in frequencies . . .

--- Meaning if any 2D transponders HAD transferred to 1N, there would have been changes to frequencies . . .

Does that make sense ? - or am I misinterpreting ?”

1N is capable of backing up or replacing 2D if they wanted to. The transponders can be assigned to any Astra band except band A (11.2-11.45 GHz).
belson
29-10-2011
any more transponder moveing to 1n ?
adc82140
29-10-2011
As well as providing the extra capacity at 28.2 I'm sure SES were getting a bit twitchy about having no spotbeam backup for 2D- although there are theoretically a few years left in her, satellites can and do fail completely (for example Astra 5A and Eutelsat W2). Astra 2C was at 28.2 for a bit, and could back up the "D" band channels, but with a pan European beam only. Now 1N is available, it wouldn't be such a disaster if the worst happened to 2D. Would I be right in thinking that 2A and 2B can cover each other in the event of a failure?
belson
29-10-2011
astra 2a will be fininsh life mid 2013
and astra 2b 2014
so no change to change now
Neda_Turk
29-10-2011
Can we have lots more channels we can't watch please!
EUROPA
29-10-2011
Originally Posted by adc82140:
“As well as providing the extra capacity at 28.2 I'm sure SES were getting a bit twitchy about having no spotbeam backup for 2D- although there are theoretically a few years left in her, satellites can and do fail completely (for example Astra 5A and Eutelsat W2). Astra 2C was at 28.2 for a bit, and could back up the "D" band channels, but with a pan European beam only. Now 1N is available, it wouldn't be such a disaster if the worst happened to 2D. Would I be right in thinking that 2A and 2B can cover each other in the event of a failure?”

i really dont think that anyone in europe inc SES cares if they can watch dicksons deals or paint my house in my lunch break...the only 创value创 english progs for europeans are from the USA ,and i get all my american programs on spanish digital tv free and in HD ,same time as they are on bbc or ITV ...and i just press button and magic they are all in english.....so please tell me what programs all this spot beam is to protect,cos it aint the american stuff...and i not found a spanish person yet who wants to watch eastenders...their soaps,esp from south america full of dolly birds in and out of bed,,,,
derek500
29-10-2011
Originally Posted by EUROPA:
“.....and i get all my american programs on spanish digital tv free and in HD ,same time as they are on bbc or ITV ...and i just press button and magic they are all in english.....”

With or without commercial breaks? FTA or pay? Spanish TV pay for the rights to broadcast in Spain. They would prefer everyone who watches a US programme in Spain watches it on their channels, either for ad revenue or subscription.
nepotism46
29-10-2011
That was the wide beam 1N was using on the C4HD. The spot beam if i'm correct will be fired up first half of next week, We'll be able to see what the narrow footprint looks like. I was also told that a broadband data was tested? Should be some interesting posts next week on this thread,
EUROPA
29-10-2011
Originally Posted by derek500:
“With or without commercial breaks? FTA or pay? Spanish TV pay for the rights to broadcast in Spain. They would prefer everyone who watches a US programme in Spain watches it on their channels, either for ad revenue or subscription.”

no the channels are TVE1and TVE2 ad free inc bbc docs in
english

mtv - free and in english

antena 3 (3),cuatro (4),telecinco (5) la sexta (6) la seirte (7) ads and in english csi,ncis


disney - free and in english


la sexta3 free old film channel

tdp and la marca - two sports channels

boing - has dr who

http://www.tdt1.com/canales-televisi....php?dem=arona


well worth the tv licence fee - oh hang on we aint got one
peter05
29-10-2011
so it looks like sky still want to broadcast to europe, may be they will be the first broadcaster to be taken to court for copy rights but i don't think so
EUROPA
29-10-2011
Originally Posted by peter05:
“so it looks like sky still want to broadcast to europe, may be they will be the first broadcaster to be taken to court for copy rights but i don't think so”

ill go down to my local electric super store and sign up for SKY
today...thanks for telling me
ftakeith2
29-10-2011
november 1st or november 6th maybe new tv channels for freesat
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