Originally Posted by jzee:
“I think the thread might have gone a bit off topic.”
“I think the thread might have gone a bit off topic.”
That's the EUROPA channel, promises so much and...
Astra 1N - Any News ?
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Originally Posted by BenSat:
“Hi there
I know this is the Freesat forum, but this is in response to previous posts in this thread about receiving Astra 1N with a Skybox:
For the people tuning in to 11171H with a Skybox, I just wanted to mention that you’re not really watching pictures from Astra 1N at all!
The 11171H transponder is (for now) an exact clone of transponder 26 (12207V, 27500, 2/3). (With regards to the contents, not the technical parameters.)
This is demonstrated by the two transponders currently having the same stream ID: 07ea.
This means that if you do a manual channel search in the Installer Setup you do get the strength and quality readings for 11171H, and you can store Sky News, for instance, if you want to. (You can, of course, also store it through the Add Channels function.)
But if you then try to access it from the Other Channels menu what you’re actually getting is the same old version from 12207V, that you probably already have on channel 501. This is because the stream ID make the Skybox look at 12207V, regardless.
Thus you can not (at the moment) get any pictures from 11171H on a Skybox.
(At least not based on the three SD boxes that I have access to.)
If you don’t believe me try entering the Installer Setup and switching off the 22kHz tone. You have now disabled (all but the lowest frequencies on) the high band.
If you now select Sky News from the Other Channels menu, what happens? You should still be able to get 11171H on the low band if, indeed, that is where the box is ’looking’ for the channel. But is it? And can you? I certainly can’t.
AFAIK, only Skyboxes behave in this way.
Regards,”
“Hi there
I know this is the Freesat forum, but this is in response to previous posts in this thread about receiving Astra 1N with a Skybox:
For the people tuning in to 11171H with a Skybox, I just wanted to mention that you’re not really watching pictures from Astra 1N at all!
The 11171H transponder is (for now) an exact clone of transponder 26 (12207V, 27500, 2/3). (With regards to the contents, not the technical parameters.)
This is demonstrated by the two transponders currently having the same stream ID: 07ea.
This means that if you do a manual channel search in the Installer Setup you do get the strength and quality readings for 11171H, and you can store Sky News, for instance, if you want to. (You can, of course, also store it through the Add Channels function.)
But if you then try to access it from the Other Channels menu what you’re actually getting is the same old version from 12207V, that you probably already have on channel 501. This is because the stream ID make the Skybox look at 12207V, regardless.
Thus you can not (at the moment) get any pictures from 11171H on a Skybox.
(At least not based on the three SD boxes that I have access to.)
If you don’t believe me try entering the Installer Setup and switching off the 22kHz tone. You have now disabled (all but the lowest frequencies on) the high band.
If you now select Sky News from the Other Channels menu, what happens? You should still be able to get 11171H on the low band if, indeed, that is where the box is ’looking’ for the channel. But is it? And can you? I certainly can’t.
AFAIK, only Skyboxes behave in this way.
Regards,”
Just confirmed this using a sky hd box.
Originally Posted by BenSat:
“Hi there
I know this is the Freesat forum, but this is in response to previous posts in this thread about receiving Astra 1N with a Skybox:
For the people tuning in to 11171H with a Skybox, I just wanted to mention that you’re not really watching pictures from Astra 1N at all!
The 11171H transponder is (for now) an exact clone of transponder 26 (12207V, 27500, 2/3). (With regards to the contents, not the technical parameters.)
This is demonstrated by the two transponders currently having the same stream ID: 07ea.
This means that if you do a manual channel search in the Installer Setup you do get the strength and quality readings for 11171H, and you can store Sky News, for instance, if you want to. (You can, of course, also store it through the Add Channels function.)
But if you then try to access it from the Other Channels menu what you’re actually getting is the same old version from 12207V, that you probably already have on channel 501. This is because the stream ID make the Skybox look at 12207V, regardless.
Thus you can not (at the moment) get any pictures from 11171H on a Skybox.
(At least not based on the three SD boxes that I have access to.)
If you don’t believe me try entering the Installer Setup and switching off the 22kHz tone. You have now disabled (all but the lowest frequencies on) the high band.
If you now select Sky News from the Other Channels menu, what happens? You should still be able to get 11171H on the low band if, indeed, that is where the box is ’looking’ for the channel. But is it? And can you? I certainly can’t.
AFAIK, only Skyboxes behave in this way.
Regards,”
“Hi there
I know this is the Freesat forum, but this is in response to previous posts in this thread about receiving Astra 1N with a Skybox:
For the people tuning in to 11171H with a Skybox, I just wanted to mention that you’re not really watching pictures from Astra 1N at all!
The 11171H transponder is (for now) an exact clone of transponder 26 (12207V, 27500, 2/3). (With regards to the contents, not the technical parameters.)
This is demonstrated by the two transponders currently having the same stream ID: 07ea.
This means that if you do a manual channel search in the Installer Setup you do get the strength and quality readings for 11171H, and you can store Sky News, for instance, if you want to. (You can, of course, also store it through the Add Channels function.)
But if you then try to access it from the Other Channels menu what you’re actually getting is the same old version from 12207V, that you probably already have on channel 501. This is because the stream ID make the Skybox look at 12207V, regardless.
Thus you can not (at the moment) get any pictures from 11171H on a Skybox.
(At least not based on the three SD boxes that I have access to.)
If you don’t believe me try entering the Installer Setup and switching off the 22kHz tone. You have now disabled (all but the lowest frequencies on) the high band.
If you now select Sky News from the Other Channels menu, what happens? You should still be able to get 11171H on the low band if, indeed, that is where the box is ’looking’ for the channel. But is it? And can you? I certainly can’t.
AFAIK, only Skyboxes behave in this way.
Regards,”
But given the fact the channels come up when doing the original scan on the 1N frequency is it not safe to assume the TP is receivable?
Originally Posted by blueplatinum:
“But given the fact the channels come up when doing the original scan on the 1N frequency is it not safe to assume the TP is receivable?”
“But given the fact the channels come up when doing the original scan on the 1N frequency is it not safe to assume the TP is receivable?”
Probably, but sings like signal strength will be from the old transponder so no use starting to compare.
Did i understand this right BenSat
I wonder what today holds?
Another day of rest?
Giving Channel 4 HD on 11127 a name?
More Channels that we already have FTA in England?
Something useful?
Other?
Another day of rest?
Giving Channel 4 HD on 11127 a name?
More Channels that we already have FTA in England?
Something useful?
Other?
Hi all - I left the HD recorder on all night to see if the signal from 11126 changed. It was running between 6pm and 4am and during the entre time the signal level changed only very slightly from about 70% to 65% at about 11pm to 11:30 although that could have been due to some light cloud that was about last night. (using the bars on the Humax the SS was always in the green by one or two sectors . The qualty remained at 100% throughout the test.
FIVE HD to be generally available FTA on Freeview - Ofcom approve new FIVE service. http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2011/...eview-hd-slot/
Nothing to do with this realy, unless Desmond is going to make Channel 5 HD FTA on satellite, which he has made no real indication of . The worst part of that article is the bit where they say that although 5HD will be a simulcase, they want to explore optioins for leasing out the daytime hours to another broadcaster. 
Originally Posted by Joddle:
“Hi all - I left the HD recorder on all night to see if the signal from 11126 changed. It was running between 6pm and 4am and during the entre time the signal level changed only very slightly from about 70% to 65% at about 11pm to 11:30 although that could have been due to some light cloud that was about last night. (using the bars on the Humax the SS was always in the green by one or two sectors . The qualty remained at 100% throughout the test.”
“Hi all - I left the HD recorder on all night to see if the signal from 11126 changed. It was running between 6pm and 4am and during the entre time the signal level changed only very slightly from about 70% to 65% at about 11pm to 11:30 although that could have been due to some light cloud that was about last night. (using the bars on the Humax the SS was always in the green by one or two sectors . The qualty remained at 100% throughout the test.”
How many GBs did a 10 hour recording use?!
Originally Posted by Neda_Turk:
“How many GBs did a 10 hour recording use?!”
“How many GBs did a 10 hour recording use?!”
Not many - I used ultra EP mode - all I needed to see was the signal bars!!
Originally Posted by Neda_Turk:
“What a mess Channel 5 HD is becoming. Free on Freeview yet locked up on satellite.”
“What a mess Channel 5 HD is becoming. Free on Freeview yet locked up on satellite.
”
I imagine it will go FTA as soon as possible, if Channel 5 have got space on Astra 1N they could move there and be FTA (their Sky contract permitting of course!)
Has anyone in a fringe area checked whether skew adjustment of the lnb is different on 1N from the astra 2 birds? Is the skew set into the satellite during build or is it adjusted in orbit? Astra 2 has a "non standard" skew for its orbital position compared to most other positions - Eurobird at 28.5 is more or less standard.
Originally Posted by davemurgatroyd:
“Has anyone in a fringe area checked whether skew adjustment of the lnb is different on 1N from the astra 2 birds? Is the skew set into the satellite during build or is it adjusted in orbit? Astra 2 has a "non standard" skew for its orbital position compared to most other positions - Eurobird at 28.5 is more or less standard.”
“Has anyone in a fringe area checked whether skew adjustment of the lnb is different on 1N from the astra 2 birds? Is the skew set into the satellite during build or is it adjusted in orbit? Astra 2 has a "non standard" skew for its orbital position compared to most other positions - Eurobird at 28.5 is more or less standard.”
Not done any adjustments on the scew as all seems pretty perfect the way it is for the rest of the ASTRA group from here in Valencia.( I suppose that is fringe enough) I would not have thought it would be any different as for people receiving signals from the group it needs to be the same or they would have to keep adjusting the skew for the channels coming off different sats!
The Sky cluster (if that is the right term) on 11171 seems to have gone or changed setting once again.
Can't pick it up anymore.
Can't pick it up anymore.
The greatest trick Sky News ever pulled was convincing DS forum members it didn't exist.
And like that. . .
It's gone.
And like that. . .
It's gone.
Originally Posted by davemurgatroyd:
“Has anyone in a fringe area checked whether skew adjustment of the lnb is different on 1N from the astra 2 birds? Is the skew set into the satellite during build or is it adjusted in orbit? Astra 2 has a "non standard" skew for its orbital position compared to most other positions - Eurobird at 28.5 is more or less standard.”
“Has anyone in a fringe area checked whether skew adjustment of the lnb is different on 1N from the astra 2 birds? Is the skew set into the satellite during build or is it adjusted in orbit? Astra 2 has a "non standard" skew for its orbital position compared to most other positions - Eurobird at 28.5 is more or less standard.”
AFAIK, the skew is a result of the satellite's position in the sky** and the natural skew which occurs when tracking the clarke belt. A satellite directly south of your location should have no skew but as you move east/west the skew changes accordingly.
CMIIW..
**For avoidance of doubt, I'm referring to "sky" as the blue stuff above the clouds, not a broadcaster, nor incorrectly as a collective term for satellite broadcasting.
I always thought the skew was related to the latitude of your home, so that an LNB in Glasgow would require a different skew to one in Plymouth. That makes sense to me because we're all at different points on the side of the Earth in relation to the satellite's position on the Equator.
Do I have that wrong?
Do I have that wrong?
Originally Posted by edEx:
“I always thought the skew was related to the latitude of your home, so that an LNB in Glasgow would require a different skew to one in Plymouth. That makes sense to me because we're all at different points on the side of the Earth in relation to the satellite's position on the Equator.
Do I have that wrong?”
“I always thought the skew was related to the latitude of your home, so that an LNB in Glasgow would require a different skew to one in Plymouth. That makes sense to me because we're all at different points on the side of the Earth in relation to the satellite's position on the Equator.
Do I have that wrong?”
No, you're right. I have a sat finder app on my Android and the elevation and skew change, depending where I am.
Originally Posted by edEx:
“I always thought the skew was related to the latitude of your home, so that an LNB in Glasgow would require a different skew to one in Plymouth. That makes sense to me because we're all at different points on the side of the Earth in relation to the satellite's position on the Equator.
Do I have that wrong?”
“I always thought the skew was related to the latitude of your home, so that an LNB in Glasgow would require a different skew to one in Plymouth. That makes sense to me because we're all at different points on the side of the Earth in relation to the satellite's position on the Equator.
Do I have that wrong?”
It's not wrong but not quite the point being made, the difference in skew between Glasgow and Plymouth would be minimal (the elevation would be affected a lot more) but it's the satellite's position in the sky which makes the major difference.
When Astra 1N was launched back at the start of August, i was excited at the prospect of what was in store. Maybe there's just a bit of apathy now setting in on my case. This is going on for 3 months! Testing,testing and more testing! I'm beginning to think with all the testing,carriers and what not something might not be functioning properly? This is the MI5 of satellites! I'm fedup rescanning. Anyone feel the same?
Originally Posted by yorkie98:
“It's not wrong but not quite the point being made, the difference in skew between Glasgow and Plymouth would be minimal (the elevation would be affected a lot more) but it's the satellite's position in the sky which makes the major difference.”
“It's not wrong but not quite the point being made, the difference in skew between Glasgow and Plymouth would be minimal (the elevation would be affected a lot more) but it's the satellite's position in the sky which makes the major difference.”
OK. So are you saying that the horizontal and vertical polarisations we see are relative to the Equator directly below the satellite, and that the skew corrects the polarisation for the LNB?
Originally Posted by nepotism46:
“When Astra 1N was launched back at the start of August, i was excited at the prospect of what was in store. Maybe there's just a bit of apathy now setting in on my case. This is going on for 3 months! Testing,testing and more testing! I'm beginning to think with all the testing,carriers and what not something might not be functioning properly? This is the MI5 of satellites! I'm fedup rescanning. Anyone feel the same?”
“When Astra 1N was launched back at the start of August, i was excited at the prospect of what was in store. Maybe there's just a bit of apathy now setting in on my case. This is going on for 3 months! Testing,testing and more testing! I'm beginning to think with all the testing,carriers and what not something might not be functioning properly? This is the MI5 of satellites! I'm fedup rescanning. Anyone feel the same?”
I don't mind waiting' but i do worry that sky will do something to stop freesat & other fta systems having too much space on 1N but we will have to wait & see
That's all well and good if a satellite signal has zero skew at it's own lattitude as indeed it should. But the skew could be set differently on the satellite and sometimes they are. The French satellites are known for this, and it seems Eurobird 28.5 is different from astra 28.2.
Originally Posted by Winston_1:
“That's all well and good if a satellite signal has zero skew at it's own lattitude as indeed it should. But the skew could be set differently on the satellite and sometimes they are. The French satellites are known for this, and it seems Eurobird 28.5 is different from astra 28.2.”
“That's all well and good if a satellite signal has zero skew at it's own lattitude as indeed it should. But the skew could be set differently on the satellite and sometimes they are. The French satellites are known for this, and it seems Eurobird 28.5 is different from astra 28.2.”
If you take a look at this picture:
http://astro.u-strasbg.fr/~koppen/10GHz/position.html
You should be able to understand better how as you move east/west the skew changes, assuming non-skewed satellites, as most are.
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