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Astra 1N - Any News ?
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M60
14-11-2011
Originally Posted by Ray Cathode:
“The ITV1 micro regions are closing on 1/1/12 so 1N ITV transponder launches may not occur until December.

The previous poster got it right: Tyne Tees becomes a single ITV1 region; ITV1 Meridian South-east & East merge (Heathfield, Midhurst with Dover & Bluebell Hill); ITV1 Anglia North & South merge (Tacolneston & Sudbury).

Obviously three currently encrypted ITV1 streams will close on 1/1/12.”

What about Anglia West? Is this merging with Anglia North and Anglia South to become one whole Anglia region as that would make a closure of two regions on it's own?

Anglia N and S regions are on 2D, it's the West one which is on 2A.
Gneiss
14-11-2011
Originally Posted by ProDave:
“Who's talking about anything suddenly disappearing? ”

Well generally if you move something it disappears from one place and appears elsewhere...

Are you suggesting that they will keep both transponders going indefinitely?
soulboy77
14-11-2011
Originally Posted by M60:
“What about Anglia West? Is this merging with Anglia North and Anglia South to become one whole Anglia region as that would make a closure of two regions on it's own?

Anglia N and S regions are on 2D, it's the West one which is on 2A.”

Anglia West is not mentioned so no change to this. To me Anglia North and South is really just classic ITV Anglia East split by terrestrial transmitter group.
Ray Cathode
14-11-2011
Originally Posted by park_gate:
“So will any encripted ITVs remain and will ITV need to use 1N in the future?

Terry”

Perhaps I should have said at least 3 streams because if ITV has bagged spot beam capacity on Astra 1N, it should not need to retain any encrypted streams.

The only fact we know for sure is that three named ITV1 micro regions will close on 1/1/12.

As the Tyne Tees region currently has one FTA & one encrypted stream, it is obvious the encrypted stream (TT south) will close.

Meridian East is FTA and Meridian SE is encrypted, so that one is also easy to work out.

Anglia has East & South both FTA and they are merging, leaving Anglia West encrypted. I would hazard a guess that Anglia West will go FTA on the vacated stream.

It is coincidence that Astra 1N has come available at the same time as ITV1 is closing micro regions. I am sure that ITV will take full advantage. They have three encrypted wide beam transponders now, if you include ITV2 HD etc. I wouldn't be surprised if all three turned up FTA on Astra 1N.

There is an ITV1 region chart on my website www.10ash.info under Charts.
The Skyman
14-11-2011
that's a shame for our Brothers & Sisters in Spain!
soulboy77
14-11-2011
Originally Posted by Ray Cathode:
“Perhaps I should have said at least 3 streams because if ITV has bagged spot beam capacity on Astra 1N, it should not need to retain any encrypted streams.

The only fact we know for sure is that three named ITV1 micro regions will close on 1/1/12.

As the Tyne Tees region currently has one FTA & one encrypted stream, it is obvious the encrypted stream (TT south) will close.

Meridian East is FTA and Meridian SE is encrypted, so that one is also easy to work out.

Anglia has East & South both FTA and they are merging, leaving Anglia West encrypted. I would hazard a guess that Anglia West will go FTA on the vacated stream.

It is coincidence that Astra 1N has come available at the same time as ITV1 is closing micro regions. I am sure that ITV will take full advantage. They have three encrypted wide beam transponders now, if you include ITV2 HD etc. I wouldn't be surprised if all three turned up FTA on Astra 1N.

There is an ITV1 region chart on my website www.10ash.info under Charts.”

On Freesat these changes will only affect ITV1 Anglia South postcodes because the Tyne Tees and Meridian areas affected are already pointing to their neighbouring FTA versions. I doubt the Anglia South viewers will notice any difference anyway.
Night Watchman
14-11-2011
Getting a signal now on 11053 H 22000 5/6 - no channels as yet though
Muzer
14-11-2011
Originally Posted by Ray Cathode:
“Perhaps I should have said at least 3 streams because if ITV has bagged spot beam capacity on Astra 1N, it should not need to retain any encrypted streams.

The only fact we know for sure is that three named ITV1 micro regions will close on 1/1/12.

As the Tyne Tees region currently has one FTA & one encrypted stream, it is obvious the encrypted stream (TT south) will close.

Meridian East is FTA and Meridian SE is encrypted, so that one is also easy to work out.

Anglia has East & South both FTA and they are merging, leaving Anglia West encrypted. I would hazard a guess that Anglia West will go FTA on the vacated stream.

It is coincidence that Astra 1N has come available at the same time as ITV1 is closing micro regions. I am sure that ITV will take full advantage. They have three encrypted wide beam transponders now, if you include ITV2 HD etc. I wouldn't be surprised if all three turned up FTA on Astra 1N.

There is an ITV1 region chart on my website www.10ash.info under Charts.”

What about ITV1 Meridian North? That's currently encrypted; I thought the closure of 3 would allow all ITV1 micro regions to go FTA, or was I wrong?
nepotism46
14-11-2011
Originally Posted by Night Watchman:
“Getting a signal now on 11053 H 22000 5/6 - no channels as yet though ”

Thanks for the info. 95% signal and 100% quality. Another test and probably go off again soon!:yawn::yawn:
joshua_welby
14-11-2011
Originally Posted by Ray Cathode:
“Perhaps I should have said at least 3 streams because if ITV has bagged spot beam capacity on Astra 1N, it should not need to retain any encrypted streams.

The only fact we know for sure is that three named ITV1 micro regions will close on 1/1/12.

As the Tyne Tees region currently has one FTA & one encrypted stream, it is obvious the encrypted stream (TT south) will close.

Meridian East is FTA and Meridian SE is encrypted, so that one is also easy to work out.

Anglia has East & South both FTA and they are merging, leaving Anglia West encrypted. I would hazard a guess that Anglia West will go FTA on the vacated stream.

It is coincidence that Astra 1N has come available at the same time as ITV1 is closing micro regions. I am sure that ITV will take full advantage. They have three encrypted wide beam transponders now, if you include ITV2 HD etc. I wouldn't be surprised if all three turned up FTA on Astra 1N.

There is an ITV1 region chart on my website www.10ash.info under Charts.”

What makes you say that ITV are closing any streams or Transponders down?

We have not got any information in regard to this other than the OFT report and the two or so objections if you include Sainsbury's as well

All in all ITV have not publicly said anything yet, unless someone knows any different and can put the source here or PM with the source if they cannot and I will keep it to myself

The Full list of ITV Regions can be found here http://www.itvmedia.co.uk/advertisin...v/itv1-regions
Neda_Turk
14-11-2011
Originally Posted by Night Watchman:
“Getting a signal now on 11053 H 22000 5/6 - no channels as yet though ”

Yes that has popped up before but hasn't been seen for a few days now.

97.77% Null Packets at the moment. I Wonder if this time something more interesting will pop up on it and stay!
Schnuffi
14-11-2011
Reception Report
I am getting 10964.00 the channel 5 transponder 75% at both strength and quality in SW Germany. 2D comes in at 80% strength and 60% quality.
That is on a multi lnb set up with the Astra 2 10° off of centre on a 70x 90cm dish. http://www.flickr.com/photos/6578160...in/photostream
Neda_Turk
14-11-2011
That's a fair swap as we here will be nicking your F1 on RTL next year!

(Well, that's the plan anyway.)
The Skyman
14-11-2011
half the F1 for a couple of years!!!!
Neda_Turk
14-11-2011
Originally Posted by The Skyman:
“half the F1 for a couple of years!!!!”

What then all races go to Sky?
Schnuffi
14-11-2011
Originally Posted by Neda_Turk:
“That's a fair swap as we here will be nicking your F1 on RTL next year!

(Well, that's the plan anyway.)”

Well I hope that indeed is the spot beam.
But I thought I read some where that most spot beams are movable. Just hope they donīt move the beam say Northwest
towards Iceland to weaken the beam in the rest of Europe
edEx
14-11-2011
Originally Posted by Schnuffi:
“Well I hope that indeed is the spot beam.
But I thought I read some where that most spot beams are movable. Just hope they donīt move the beam say Northwest
towards Iceland to weaken the beam in the rest of Europe”

Can't see that happening to be honest. Why would they align the beam in such a way that the Hebrides gets maximum signal, whilst the parts of the UK where most people live are potentially left needing a bigger dish? Sounds like a recipe for reception problems to me.

Unless of course BBC Alba has rented all the transponders
Schnuffi
14-11-2011
Well because I heard Hebrides and the rest of Scotland is nice this time of year itīs for the tourist you know
M60
14-11-2011
Originally Posted by Ray Cathode:
“Perhaps I should have said at least 3 streams because if ITV has bagged spot beam capacity on Astra 1N, it should not need to retain any encrypted streams.

The only fact we know for sure is that three named ITV1 micro regions will close on 1/1/12.

As the Tyne Tees region currently has one FTA & one encrypted stream, it is obvious the encrypted stream (TT south) will close.

Meridian East is FTA and Meridian SE is encrypted, so that one is also easy to work out.

Anglia has East & South both FTA and they are merging, leaving Anglia West encrypted. I would hazard a guess that Anglia West will go FTA on the vacated stream.

It is coincidence that Astra 1N has come available at the same time as ITV1 is closing micro regions. I am sure that ITV will take full advantage. They have three encrypted wide beam transponders now, if you include ITV2 HD etc. I wouldn't be surprised if all three turned up FTA on Astra 1N.

There is an ITV1 region chart on my website www.10ash.info under Charts.”

The three vacated streams, one on 2D (Anglia S) and two on 2A (Mer SE and TT S) would accommodate the two ITV1's and 1x ITV1+1 stream on 11973V so all ITV's current transponders will still be occupied. 12402V is a contender for migration to 1N, thus then vacating 11973V (apart from the ITV1HD test feed).

If you read the OFT report and in particular ITV's response there's discussion about ITV's transponder costs on DSAT and how freeing up these streams will also allow for further ITV1+1 regionalisation. There's nearly 6MB/s of nullpackets on 10832H at the moment so this will accommodate possibly a couple of ITV1+1's, I'm sure they just used that excuse as a bargaining tool.

Is Anglia West therefore a bigger area in terms of population than Anglia S covers from Sudbury? Anglia S covers Ipswich and Bury St Edmonds I guess and Anglia W covers Cambridge? I presume with Cambridge being affluent they therefore see more value in keeping Anglia West than merge all three?
Ray Cathode
14-11-2011
Originally Posted by Muzer:
“What about ITV1 Meridian North? That's currently encrypted; I thought the closure of 3 would allow all ITV1 micro regions to go FTA, or was I wrong?”

There are currently 8 encrypted ITV1 micro regions plus 2 ITV1+1s plus 2 encrypted ITV1 HDs. So the elimination of 3 micro regions will not make a significant difference and certainly will not allow all ITV1s to go FTA.

However the Astra 1N spot beam does give that opportunity.
Ray Cathode
14-11-2011
Originally Posted by M60:
“Is Anglia West therefore a bigger area in terms of population than Anglia S covers from Sudbury? Anglia S covers Ipswich and Bury St Edmonds I guess and Anglia W covers Cambridge? I presume with Cambridge being affluent they therefore see more value in keeping Anglia West than merge all three?”

Anglia West is based on the Sandy Heath transmitter (Cambridge & Bedford). Anglia South is the Sudbury transmitter (Suffolk & Essex) which is merging with Norfolk covered by Tacolneston. That leaves an East and West split where the demographics are very different.

Remember ITV have been given permission to close 3 micro regions on the basis that the changes are not material. I am sure that they would like to close more micro regions but this would trigger a lengthy Competition Commission enquiry that ITV might not come out with what it wanted.

I looks as though stv will get most of Border anyway (Selkirk & Caldbeck Scotland) with Caldbeck England joining Granada according to noises from Ofcon. I think that ITV will be pleased with that.
The Skyman
14-11-2011
Originally Posted by Neda_Turk:
“What then all races go to Sky?”

my mistake, the previous deal was until 2013.

HOWEVER, the new 'DEAL' is set to run for 7 years.....half the races on the BEEB with 'extended' highlights a few hours later on the races they don't carry.
soulboy77
14-11-2011
Originally Posted by M60:
“....Is Anglia West therefore a bigger area in terms of population than Anglia S covers from Sudbury? Anglia S covers Ipswich and Bury St Edmonds I guess and Anglia W covers Cambridge? I presume with Cambridge being affluent they therefore see more value in keeping Anglia West than merge all three?”

Anglia West actually covers Cambridge, Peterborough, Bedford, Luton, Milton Keynes, Stevenage and surprisingly Northampton. Roughly 920,000 homes compared to Anglia East's (including South) of 770,000
nepotism46
14-11-2011
Originally Posted by The Skyman:
“my mistake, the previous deal was until 2013.

HOWEVER, the new 'DEAL' is set to run for 7 years.....half the races on the BEEB with 'extended' highlights a few hours later on the races they don't carry.”

They're showing it race about to keep it fair. I'm glad my 2 favourite races will be on the BBC. Silverstone, the Monaco GP.
peter05
14-11-2011
Originally Posted by The Skyman:
“my mistake, the previous deal was until 2013.

HOWEVER, the new 'DEAL' is set to run for 7 years.....half the races on the BEEB with 'extended' highlights a few hours later on the races they don't carry.”

that sounds allright think i will stay with freesat ( may be with a little help from TF1
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