best brand for 3D and Smart TV options?

justjax · 23-07-2011, 16:37

Lots of the new TV's have what they are calling the SMART TV option, i.e apps like iPlayer, Facebook, etc. Does anyone have a good insight into who's doing it best and how the main brands offering these compare?

I want a 3D Smart TV (prob 40" or 42") and I've been leaning towards getting the Samsung UE40D6100, but then today in Curry's I saw the Toshiba 42VL863B as part of a great bundle (42" 3DTV, 3D Blu Ray player and 8 Glasses) for £699. I've also seen some good deals on Panasonic and LG TV's .. but the more I look the more I'm confused as to who I should go with.

BTW, I should mention that one other factor would be the ability to play some AVI files, etc. I know the Samung does this rather well, but what about others?

justjax · 23-07-2011, 21:51

no one?

ironjade · 24-07-2011, 08:30

I bought the LG 42" passive 3D tv a few weeks ago and it's excellent. Curry's also threw in a free LG Blu-Ray player.
It's not necessary to use expensive active glasses as there's no discernible difference in picture quality when compared with passive 3D. Active glasses are about £100 a pair whereas LG give you 7 pairs of passive specs. Also better if you normally wear glasses as they're a bit lighter.
The internet facility is ok but typing in web addresses etc. with a remote is a pain so I don't bother with it.
YouTube is just as crap on tv as it is on a computer.

c4rv · 24-07-2011, 09:08

LG passive 3D TV are very good for their price, compare to active 3D and see what you think. With the saving you make you can get yourself a media centre PC like the Asus Revo which would be infinitely better then any built in 'smart' functions that any TV has built in.

SkyPlatinum · 24-07-2011, 09:49

Sony Bravia - best for 3D best for smart tv - no dispute

ironjade · 24-07-2011, 09:53

Bear in mind that, as yet, there isn't actually that much to watch on Sky 3D and some of the more recent movie offerings are pay per view.
Avatar is shown in a 16;9 version which is stunning (even though it's still a lame story) but most of the others are still letterboxed so the 3D loses some of its impact; in the case of Clash of the Titans, all of it.
The Blu-Ray player does a magnificent job of playing files from a USB hard drive; my previous machine made it seem like I was watching through park railings in comparison. It's definitely worth checking to see if this freebie is still being included.

quinny · 24-07-2011, 10:39

Can you please tell me if any or all of these TVs have skype built in as well?

ironjade · 24-07-2011, 11:38

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Originally Posted by quinny

Can you please tell me if any or all of these TVs have skype built in as well?

I didn't see it on mine and can't think why it would be tbh.

JulesandSand · 24-07-2011, 12:36

I have a Sony 52HX903 and excellent it is too, and the 'smart' features work well.

For 3D the reviews say the new Panasonic plasmas are superior.

Like others I use the Sony BluRay player to stream from my NAS or a USB as it seems less fussy than the TV about what it will play.

The top--end 2011 Sony LED/LCDs have Skype. I haven't seen it even as an optional feature on sets towards the budget end of the market.

justjax · 24-07-2011, 14:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironjade

I bought the LG 42" passive 3D tv a few weeks ago and it's excellent. Curry's also threw in a free LG Blu-Ray player.
It's not necessary to use expensive active glasses as there's no discernible difference in picture quality when compared with passive 3D. Active glasses are about £100 a pair whereas LG give you 7 pairs of passive specs. Also better if you normally wear glasses as they're a bit lighter.
The internet facility is ok but typing in web addresses etc. with a remote is a pain so I don't bother with it.
YouTube is just as crap on tv as it is on a computer.

ooh, where to start .. okay, so I don't have Sky so the 3D would be from Blu Ray rather than Sky. Thing that puts me off the passive 3D (with LG and Toshiba) is that I understand that you don't get full HD 1080 3D with the passive version only the active 3D .. although I do prefer the idea of lighter and cheaper glasses (if I need to get additional ones), anyone know if the difference is that noticable? I probably won't really watch that much 3D, but still, if I'm going to invest poss £700-ish on a new TV, kinda wanna get the best I can for my bucks

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyPlatinum

Sony Bravia - best for 3D best for smart tv - no dispute

Quote:

Originally Posted by JulesandSand

I have a Sony 52HX903 and excellent it is too, and the 'smart' features work well.

For 3D the reviews say the new Panasonic plasmas are superior.

Like others I use the Sony BluRay player to stream from my NAS or a USB as it seems less fussy than the TV about what it will play.

The top--end 2011 Sony LED/LCDs have Skype. I haven't seen it even as an optional feature on sets towards the budget end of the market.

TV build quality aside, arre Sony really doing the whole Smart TV/apps better than anyone else?. I kinda assumed tht Samsung was the leader, I thought I read the other day that Samsung have loads of apps.

Quote:

Originally Posted by c4rv

LG passive 3D TV are very good for their price, compare to active 3D and see what you think. With the saving you make you can get yourself a media centre PC like the Asus Revo which would be infinitely better then any built in 'smart' functions that any TV has built in.

Well I was planning to connect my Media Center PCtoo, but for features like iPlayer, Lovefilm, I like the idea of it all seemlessly integrated (there aren't apps for these catch up services for Media Center). Speaking of the catch-up services, I seem most of the brands seem to have the main ones like iPlayer and Lovefilm .. do any of them have 4OD, ITV player and 5 on Demand?

justjax · 24-07-2011, 14:28

just found this http://www.bestbuy.co.uk/articles/ht...explained.aspx not a detailed list of who offers what, but a brief summary of the smart TV funtions on the main brands.

ironjade · 24-07-2011, 14:34

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Originally Posted by justjax

ooh, where to start .. okay, so I don't have Sky so the 3D would be from Blu Ray rather than Sky. Thing that puts me off the passive 3D (with LG and Toshiba) is that I understand that you don't get full HD 1080 3D with the passive version only the active 3D .. although I do prefer the idea of lighter and cheaper glasses (if I need to get additional ones), anyone know if the difference is that noticable? I probably won't really watch that much 3D, but still, if I'm going to invest poss £700-ish on a new TV, kinda wanna get the best I can for my bucks

TV build quality aside, arre Sony really doing the whole Smart TV/apps better than anyone else?. I kinda assumed tht Samsung was the leader, I thought I read the other day that Samsung have loads of apps.

Well I was planning to connect my Media Center PCtoo, but for features like iPlayer, Lovefilm, I like the idea of it all seemlessly integrated (there aren't apps for these catch up services for Media Center). Speaking of the catch-up services, I seem most of the brands seem to have the main ones like iPlayer and Lovefilm .. do any of them have 4OD, ITV player and 5 on Demand?

The difference in picture quality as far as Sky 3D is concerned is non-existent. It obviously isn't HD but who cares?
As far as Blu-ray is concerned I can't say and I don't plan on shelling out for yet another format. Fool me once . . . etc.

I think the active system is a bit of kiddology and a nice little earner for the box shifters.

quinny · 24-07-2011, 15:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironjade

I didn't see it on mine and can't think why it would be tbh.

Skype HD video calls on TV would be a whole lot more useful then the likes of twitter, facebook or a web browser on a TV IMHO. Especially for those of us who have relatives abroad its a great idea.

evil c · 24-07-2011, 16:48

I have just bought the Samsung UE40D6530 and it's fantastic. The picture quality is UNbelievable on Freeview HD. It also has full internet access via Wi-fi and it was dead easy to set up, took me about 30 secs. Oh yes, and it has Skype HD as well although you need to buy the camera as an accessory. I bought the TV from Richer Sound. They've got a good deal going on at the moment as I've got the 3D Blu-ray player and 2 pairs of active glasses 'free'. I was just watching F1 and the detail inside the drivers' cockpits just blew me away. There was one super slo-mo when a car was in the gravel trap and I could see every single piece of gravel. It's so solid.

justjax · 24-07-2011, 17:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by evil c

I have just bought the Samsung UE40D6530 and it's fantastic. The picture quality is UNbelievable on Freeview HD. It also has full internet access via Wi-fi and it was dead easy to set up, took me about 30 secs. Oh yes, and it has Skype HD as well although you need to buy the camera as an accessory. I bought the TV from Richer Sound. They've got a good deal going on at the moment as I've got the 3D Blu-ray player and 2 pairs of active glasses 'free'. I was just watching F1 and the detail inside the drivers' cockpits just blew me away. There was one super slo-mo when a car was in the gravel trap and I could see every single piece of gravel. It's so solid.

Funnility, I was just considering this model to as the 6100 doesn't have the web browser option. Can you answer a few questions for me. Firstly, does the Samsung Smart TV hub offer any of the other main catch up services (i.e ITV Player, 4OD, 5 Demand, etc) and also have you used the 'PVR ready' feature? Although I have a Media Center PC and I can record with this, I'd be interested in using the built in PVR feature. I understand you just add a drive to get it to work. Can you record one channel and watch another or is there only one tuner?

c4rv · 24-07-2011, 21:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by justjax

Well I was planning to connect my Media Center PCtoo, but for features like iPlayer, Lovefilm, I like the idea of it all seemlessly integrated (there aren't apps for these catch up services for Media Center). Speaking of the catch-up services, I seem most of the brands seem to have the main ones like iPlayer and Lovefilm .. do any of them have 4OD, ITV player and 5 on Demand?

I don't know why you are worrying about smart TV when you PC can do it 10x better and easier.

ironjade · 25-07-2011, 07:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by c4rv

I don't know why you are worrying about smart TV when you PC can do it 10x better and easier.

I wondered about this too. The things available via Smart tv are pretty underwhelming. So much so that I rapidly disconnected my tv from the net.

call100 · 25-07-2011, 09:02

My brother in law bought a 'Smart TV' To be honest it's a waste of time, they hardly use the smart stuff since the first novelty week.
IMO you would be better off having an iPad (Other manufacturers pads may be used!!) on the coffee table and use that when wanting some of the 'Smart TV' functions. Or indeed use your PC/Laptop.
However if you get a good deal and it happens to have the functions, well, nothing ventured......

justjax · 26-07-2011, 13:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by c4rv

I don't know why you are worrying about smart TV when you PC can do it 10x better and easier.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironjade

I wondered about this too. The things available via Smart tv are pretty underwhelming. So much so that I rapidly disconnected my tv from the net.

Quote:

Originally Posted by call100

My IMO you would be better off having an iPad (Other manufacturers pads may be used!!) on the coffee table and use that when wanting some of the 'Smart TV' functions. Or indeed use your PC/Laptop.
However if you get a good deal and it happens to have the functions, well, nothing ventured......

I appreciate where your all coming from and for the likes of web browsing, facebook, etc I totally agree this is probably done a lot better on a laptop, iPad, etc. However, for things like Lovefilm and iPlayer, I would really prefer to have a fully integrated option. Sure I can go to the iPlayer website, search for the show, click play, click full screen, but it would be SO much nicer to all this using the remote from the comfort of the sofa. As for wanting the web broswer and various apps, well I guess I just want the ability to use it and if I don't. Its a bit like the 3D element, I'll probably hardly watch any 3D movies, but again, if I'm buying a new TV, then I want it to be all singing, all dancing.

On a side note, its such a shame that with all the move towards 'apps' these days that Microsoft hasn't tried to do more with WMC. Sure they have Sky Player, but beyond that its pretty lame and I still v disappointed that they haven't done an iPlayer app, especially since Microsoft were involved with initially creating iPlayer (if I remember correctly).

c4rv · 26-07-2011, 14:29

While I agree with you to some extent regarding WMC, there are plenty plug-in with WMC including tuner options, media organisations (I use My Movies) and additional codecs. There are also a couple of projects to get streaming from WMC to tablets.

As for iPlayer, I haven't tried any myself, a google search indicated several iPlayer plug-ins for WMC.

I don't understand why you are no using the PC from the comfort of your sofa. There are some pretty good wireless remotes and keyboards out there. Have a look at diNovo mini keyboard ? MUCH easier then trying to type URL or search iplayer using TV remote.

http://www.logitech.com/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3848

2Bdecided · 26-07-2011, 14:31

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Originally Posted by c4rv

I don't know why you are worrying about smart TV when you PC can do it 10x better and easier.

Your PC doesn't do iPlayer 10x better than a Samsung TV. Quite the opposite.

Cheers,
David.

c4rv · 26-07-2011, 14:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Bdecided

Your PC doesn't do iPlayer 10x better than a Samsung TV. Quite the opposite.

Cheers,
David.

If you are talking about this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EgbSZUOauQ

Then I will stick to my PC thanks.

call100 · 26-07-2011, 15:14

I have the iPlayer via my laptop, via my PS3, via my iPad and via my PVR. The laptop and iPad give the best results Laptop just edging it, with the PVR third and PS3 coming a close 4th about the same....It is very dependent on the hardware as they are all on the same BB connection.
I also see no reason why you couldn't have control of the PC content from your sofa....
But as said, if it's already built in what harm can it do. I wouldn't make it a deal breaker though...

evil c · 26-07-2011, 21:27

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Originally Posted by justjax

Firstly, does the Samsung Smart TV hub offer any of the other main catch up services (i.e ITV Player, 4OD, 5 Demand, etc) and also have you used the 'PVR ready' feature? Although I have a Media Center PC and I can record with this, I'd be interested in using the built in PVR feature. I understand you just add a drive to get it to work. Can you record one channel and watch another or is there only one tuner?

The only catch up via the Smart hub is BBC iplayer. You can access the others via the Web Browser, but it is ridiculously slow and entering text into Google search or typing URLs is a nightmare. Equally frustrating is page navigation, and for some reason the screen is blindingly bright.
I haven't used the PVR feature yet, but there is only the one tuner, so you can only record what you see. It might be possible to schedule in advance a programme you want to record, but as to how....?

justjax · 27-07-2011, 09:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by c4rv

While I agree with you to some extent regarding WMC, there are plenty plug-in with WMC including tuner options, media organisations (I use My Movies) and additional codecs. There are also a couple of projects to get streaming from WMC to tablets.

As for iPlayer, I haven't tried any myself, a google search indicated several iPlayer plug-ins for WMC.

I don't understand why you are no using the PC from the comfort of your sofa. There are some pretty good wireless remotes and keyboards out there. Have a look at diNovo mini keyboard ? MUCH easier then trying to type URL or search iplayer using TV remote.

http://www.logitech.com/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3848

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Originally Posted by evil c

The only catch up via the Smart hub is BBC iplayer. You can access the others via the Web Browser, but it is ridiculously slow and entering text into Google search or typing URLs is a nightmare. Equally frustrating is page navigation, and for some reason the screen is blindingly bright.
I haven't used the PVR feature yet, but there is only the one tuner, so you can only record what you see. It might be possible to schedule in advance a programme you want to record, but as to how....?

C4rv, I know there are people developing plug-ins for WMC, but in my experience (admitedly I've only tried a few over the years) they haven't been that great and I guess I prefer the idea of official plugins or apps. Don't get me wrong I love WMC, I just think that MS has dropped the ball on this and in the new world of connected TV's they could have even developed WMC futher (more web browsers options, social media plugins) and even produced a low cost set top box (like Apple TV, Boxee, etc) enabling any TV to become a 'connected' TV experience. BTW, that keyboard looks interesting. I was looking in PC world last weekend to see if they had that type of keyboard and couldn't see anything.

evil c, turns out my friend has the Samsung UE40D6100 and he loves it. He doesn't have a great broadband connection so can't really utilise iPlayer, Lovefilm, etc but I did get him to try the PVR, as you said its a single tuner (shame) but apparently it works great other wise, with ability to pause live TV, record series, etc. Based on all the feedback I think I'm going to go with the Samsung UE40D6100 which is what I was originally inclined to go for. Richer Sounds have a great deal on for it and hopefully I can order it before that deal expires.

23-07-2011, 16:37	#1
justjax Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 911	best brand for 3D and Smart TV options? Lots of the new TV's have what they are calling the SMART TV option, i.e apps like iPlayer, Facebook, etc. Does anyone have a good insight into who's doing it best and how the main brands offering these compare? I want a 3D Smart TV (prob 40" or 42") and I've been leaning towards getting the Samsung UE40D6100, but then today in Curry's I saw the Toshiba 42VL863B as part of a great bundle (42" 3DTV, 3D Blu Ray player and 8 Glasses) for £699. I've also seen some good deals on Panasonic and LG TV's .. but the more I look the more I'm confused as to who I should go with. BTW, I should mention that one other factor would be the ability to play some AVI files, etc. I know the Samung does this rather well, but what about others?

23-07-2011, 21:51	#2
justjax Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 911	no one?

24-07-2011, 08:30	#3
ironjade Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: London Posts: 8,651	I bought the LG 42" passive 3D tv a few weeks ago and it's excellent. Curry's also threw in a free LG Blu-Ray player. It's not necessary to use expensive active glasses as there's no discernible difference in picture quality when compared with passive 3D. Active glasses are about £100 a pair whereas LG give you 7 pairs of passive specs. Also better if you normally wear glasses as they're a bit lighter. The internet facility is ok but typing in web addresses etc. with a remote is a pain so I don't bother with it. YouTube is just as crap on tv as it is on a computer.

24-07-2011, 09:08	#4
c4rv Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Essex Posts: 16,218	LG passive 3D TV are very good for their price, compare to active 3D and see what you think. With the saving you make you can get yourself a media centre PC like the Asus Revo which would be infinitely better then any built in 'smart' functions that any TV has built in.

24-07-2011, 09:49	#5
SkyPlatinum Inactive Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 769	Sony Bravia - best for 3D best for smart tv - no dispute

24-07-2011, 09:53	#6
ironjade Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: London Posts: 8,651	Bear in mind that, as yet, there isn't actually that much to watch on Sky 3D and some of the more recent movie offerings are pay per view. Avatar is shown in a 16;9 version which is stunning (even though it's still a lame story) but most of the others are still letterboxed so the 3D loses some of its impact; in the case of Clash of the Titans, all of it. The Blu-Ray player does a magnificent job of playing files from a USB hard drive; my previous machine made it seem like I was watching through park railings in comparison. It's definitely worth checking to see if this freebie is still being included.

24-07-2011, 10:39	#7
quinny Forum Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 307	Can you please tell me if any or all of these TVs have skype built in as well?

24-07-2011, 11:38	#8
ironjade Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: London Posts: 8,651	Quote: Originally Posted by quinny Can you please tell me if any or all of these TVs have skype built in as well? I didn't see it on mine and can't think why it would be tbh.

24-07-2011, 12:36	#9
JulesandSand Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Caledonia Posts: 5,687	I have a Sony 52HX903 and excellent it is too, and the 'smart' features work well. For 3D the reviews say the new Panasonic plasmas are superior. Like others I use the Sony BluRay player to stream from my NAS or a USB as it seems less fussy than the TV about what it will play. The top--end 2011 Sony LED/LCDs have Skype. I haven't seen it even as an optional feature on sets towards the budget end of the market.

24-07-2011, 14:18	#10
justjax Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 911	Quote: Originally Posted by ironjade I bought the LG 42" passive 3D tv a few weeks ago and it's excellent. Curry's also threw in a free LG Blu-Ray player. It's not necessary to use expensive active glasses as there's no discernible difference in picture quality when compared with passive 3D. Active glasses are about £100 a pair whereas LG give you 7 pairs of passive specs. Also better if you normally wear glasses as they're a bit lighter. The internet facility is ok but typing in web addresses etc. with a remote is a pain so I don't bother with it. YouTube is just as crap on tv as it is on a computer. ooh, where to start .. okay, so I don't have Sky so the 3D would be from Blu Ray rather than Sky. Thing that puts me off the passive 3D (with LG and Toshiba) is that I understand that you don't get full HD 1080 3D with the passive version only the active 3D .. although I do prefer the idea of lighter and cheaper glasses (if I need to get additional ones), anyone know if the difference is that noticable? I probably won't really watch that much 3D, but still, if I'm going to invest poss £700-ish on a new TV, kinda wanna get the best I can for my bucks Quote: Originally Posted by SkyPlatinum Sony Bravia - best for 3D best for smart tv - no dispute Quote: Originally Posted by JulesandSand I have a Sony 52HX903 and excellent it is too, and the 'smart' features work well. For 3D the reviews say the new Panasonic plasmas are superior. Like others I use the Sony BluRay player to stream from my NAS or a USB as it seems less fussy than the TV about what it will play. The top--end 2011 Sony LED/LCDs have Skype. I haven't seen it even as an optional feature on sets towards the budget end of the market. TV build quality aside, arre Sony really doing the whole Smart TV/apps better than anyone else?. I kinda assumed tht Samsung was the leader, I thought I read the other day that Samsung have loads of apps. Quote: Originally Posted by c4rv LG passive 3D TV are very good for their price, compare to active 3D and see what you think. With the saving you make you can get yourself a media centre PC like the Asus Revo which would be infinitely better then any built in 'smart' functions that any TV has built in. Well I was planning to connect my Media Center PCtoo, but for features like iPlayer, Lovefilm, I like the idea of it all seemlessly integrated (there aren't apps for these catch up services for Media Center). Speaking of the catch-up services, I seem most of the brands seem to have the main ones like iPlayer and Lovefilm .. do any of them have 4OD, ITV player and 5 on Demand?

24-07-2011, 14:28	#11
justjax Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 911	just found this http://www.bestbuy.co.uk/articles/ht...explained.aspx not a detailed list of who offers what, but a brief summary of the smart TV funtions on the main brands.

24-07-2011, 14:34	#12
ironjade Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: London Posts: 8,651	Quote: Originally Posted by justjax ooh, where to start .. okay, so I don't have Sky so the 3D would be from Blu Ray rather than Sky. Thing that puts me off the passive 3D (with LG and Toshiba) is that I understand that you don't get full HD 1080 3D with the passive version only the active 3D .. although I do prefer the idea of lighter and cheaper glasses (if I need to get additional ones), anyone know if the difference is that noticable? I probably won't really watch that much 3D, but still, if I'm going to invest poss £700-ish on a new TV, kinda wanna get the best I can for my bucks TV build quality aside, arre Sony really doing the whole Smart TV/apps better than anyone else?. I kinda assumed tht Samsung was the leader, I thought I read the other day that Samsung have loads of apps. Well I was planning to connect my Media Center PCtoo, but for features like iPlayer, Lovefilm, I like the idea of it all seemlessly integrated (there aren't apps for these catch up services for Media Center). Speaking of the catch-up services, I seem most of the brands seem to have the main ones like iPlayer and Lovefilm .. do any of them have 4OD, ITV player and 5 on Demand? The difference in picture quality as far as Sky 3D is concerned is non-existent. It obviously isn't HD but who cares? As far as Blu-ray is concerned I can't say and I don't plan on shelling out for yet another format. Fool me once . . . etc. I think the active system is a bit of kiddology and a nice little earner for the box shifters.

24-07-2011, 15:32	#13
quinny Forum Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 307	Quote: Originally Posted by ironjade I didn't see it on mine and can't think why it would be tbh. Skype HD video calls on TV would be a whole lot more useful then the likes of twitter, facebook or a web browser on a TV IMHO. Especially for those of us who have relatives abroad its a great idea.

24-07-2011, 16:48	#14
evil c Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Wirral Peninsula Posts: 4,777	I have just bought the Samsung UE40D6530 and it's fantastic. The picture quality is UNbelievable on Freeview HD. It also has full internet access via Wi-fi and it was dead easy to set up, took me about 30 secs. Oh yes, and it has Skype HD as well although you need to buy the camera as an accessory. I bought the TV from Richer Sound. They've got a good deal going on at the moment as I've got the 3D Blu-ray player and 2 pairs of active glasses 'free'. I was just watching F1 and the detail inside the drivers' cockpits just blew me away. There was one super slo-mo when a car was in the gravel trap and I could see every single piece of gravel. It's so solid.

24-07-2011, 17:08	#15
justjax Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 911	Quote: Originally Posted by evil c I have just bought the Samsung UE40D6530 and it's fantastic. The picture quality is UNbelievable on Freeview HD. It also has full internet access via Wi-fi and it was dead easy to set up, took me about 30 secs. Oh yes, and it has Skype HD as well although you need to buy the camera as an accessory. I bought the TV from Richer Sound. They've got a good deal going on at the moment as I've got the 3D Blu-ray player and 2 pairs of active glasses 'free'. I was just watching F1 and the detail inside the drivers' cockpits just blew me away. There was one super slo-mo when a car was in the gravel trap and I could see every single piece of gravel. It's so solid. Funnility, I was just considering this model to as the 6100 doesn't have the web browser option. Can you answer a few questions for me. Firstly, does the Samsung Smart TV hub offer any of the other main catch up services (i.e ITV Player, 4OD, 5 Demand, etc) and also have you used the 'PVR ready' feature? Although I have a Media Center PC and I can record with this, I'd be interested in using the built in PVR feature. I understand you just add a drive to get it to work. Can you record one channel and watch another or is there only one tuner?

24-07-2011, 21:47	#16
c4rv Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Essex Posts: 16,218	Quote: Originally Posted by justjax Well I was planning to connect my Media Center PCtoo, but for features like iPlayer, Lovefilm, I like the idea of it all seemlessly integrated (there aren't apps for these catch up services for Media Center). Speaking of the catch-up services, I seem most of the brands seem to have the main ones like iPlayer and Lovefilm .. do any of them have 4OD, ITV player and 5 on Demand? I don't know why you are worrying about smart TV when you PC can do it 10x better and easier.

25-07-2011, 07:44	#17
ironjade Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: London Posts: 8,651	Quote: Originally Posted by c4rv I don't know why you are worrying about smart TV when you PC can do it 10x better and easier. I wondered about this too. The things available via Smart tv are pretty underwhelming. So much so that I rapidly disconnected my tv from the net.

25-07-2011, 09:02	#18
call100 Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 6,572	My brother in law bought a 'Smart TV' To be honest it's a waste of time, they hardly use the smart stuff since the first novelty week. IMO you would be better off having an iPad (Other manufacturers pads may be used!!) on the coffee table and use that when wanting some of the 'Smart TV' functions. Or indeed use your PC/Laptop. However if you get a good deal and it happens to have the functions, well, nothing ventured......

26-07-2011, 13:50	#19
justjax Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 911	Quote: Originally Posted by c4rv I don't know why you are worrying about smart TV when you PC can do it 10x better and easier. Quote: Originally Posted by ironjade I wondered about this too. The things available via Smart tv are pretty underwhelming. So much so that I rapidly disconnected my tv from the net. Quote: Originally Posted by call100 My IMO you would be better off having an iPad (Other manufacturers pads may be used!!) on the coffee table and use that when wanting some of the 'Smart TV' functions. Or indeed use your PC/Laptop. However if you get a good deal and it happens to have the functions, well, nothing ventured...... I appreciate where your all coming from and for the likes of web browsing, facebook, etc I totally agree this is probably done a lot better on a laptop, iPad, etc. However, for things like Lovefilm and iPlayer, I would really prefer to have a fully integrated option. Sure I can go to the iPlayer website, search for the show, click play, click full screen, but it would be SO much nicer to all this using the remote from the comfort of the sofa. As for wanting the web broswer and various apps, well I guess I just want the ability to use it and if I don't. Its a bit like the 3D element, I'll probably hardly watch any 3D movies, but again, if I'm buying a new TV, then I want it to be all singing, all dancing. On a side note, its such a shame that with all the move towards 'apps' these days that Microsoft hasn't tried to do more with WMC. Sure they have Sky Player, but beyond that its pretty lame and I still v disappointed that they haven't done an iPlayer app, especially since Microsoft were involved with initially creating iPlayer (if I remember correctly).

26-07-2011, 14:29	#20
c4rv Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Essex Posts: 16,218	While I agree with you to some extent regarding WMC, there are plenty plug-in with WMC including tuner options, media organisations (I use My Movies) and additional codecs. There are also a couple of projects to get streaming from WMC to tablets. As for iPlayer, I haven't tried any myself, a google search indicated several iPlayer plug-ins for WMC. I don't understand why you are no using the PC from the comfort of your sofa. There are some pretty good wireless remotes and keyboards out there. Have a look at diNovo mini keyboard ? MUCH easier then trying to type URL or search iplayer using TV remote. http://www.logitech.com/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3848

26-07-2011, 14:31	#21
2Bdecided Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 4,391	Quote: Originally Posted by c4rv I don't know why you are worrying about smart TV when you PC can do it 10x better and easier. Your PC doesn't do iPlayer 10x better than a Samsung TV. Quite the opposite. Cheers, David.

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26-07-2011, 14:34	#22
c4rv Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Essex Posts: 16,218	Quote: Originally Posted by 2Bdecided Your PC doesn't do iPlayer 10x better than a Samsung TV. Quite the opposite. Cheers, David. If you are talking about this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EgbSZUOauQ Then I will stick to my PC thanks.

26-07-2011, 15:14	#23
call100 Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 6,572	I have the iPlayer via my laptop, via my PS3, via my iPad and via my PVR. The laptop and iPad give the best results Laptop just edging it, with the PVR third and PS3 coming a close 4th about the same....It is very dependent on the hardware as they are all on the same BB connection. I also see no reason why you couldn't have control of the PC content from your sofa.... But as said, if it's already built in what harm can it do. I wouldn't make it a deal breaker though...

26-07-2011, 21:27	#24
evil c Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Wirral Peninsula Posts: 4,777	Quote: Originally Posted by justjax Firstly, does the Samsung Smart TV hub offer any of the other main catch up services (i.e ITV Player, 4OD, 5 Demand, etc) and also have you used the 'PVR ready' feature? Although I have a Media Center PC and I can record with this, I'd be interested in using the built in PVR feature. I understand you just add a drive to get it to work. Can you record one channel and watch another or is there only one tuner? The only catch up via the Smart hub is BBC iplayer. You can access the others via the Web Browser, but it is ridiculously slow and entering text into Google search or typing URLs is a nightmare. Equally frustrating is page navigation, and for some reason the screen is blindingly bright. I haven't used the PVR feature yet, but there is only the one tuner, so you can only record what you see. It might be possible to schedule in advance a programme you want to record, but as to how....?

27-07-2011, 09:19	#25
justjax Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 911	Quote: Originally Posted by c4rv While I agree with you to some extent regarding WMC, there are plenty plug-in with WMC including tuner options, media organisations (I use My Movies) and additional codecs. There are also a couple of projects to get streaming from WMC to tablets. As for iPlayer, I haven't tried any myself, a google search indicated several iPlayer plug-ins for WMC. I don't understand why you are no using the PC from the comfort of your sofa. There are some pretty good wireless remotes and keyboards out there. Have a look at diNovo mini keyboard ? MUCH easier then trying to type URL or search iplayer using TV remote. http://www.logitech.com/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3848 Quote: Originally Posted by evil c The only catch up via the Smart hub is BBC iplayer. You can access the others via the Web Browser, but it is ridiculously slow and entering text into Google search or typing URLs is a nightmare. Equally frustrating is page navigation, and for some reason the screen is blindingly bright. I haven't used the PVR feature yet, but there is only the one tuner, so you can only record what you see. It might be possible to schedule in advance a programme you want to record, but as to how....? C4rv, I know there are people developing plug-ins for WMC, but in my experience (admitedly I've only tried a few over the years) they haven't been that great and I guess I prefer the idea of official plugins or apps. Don't get me wrong I love WMC, I just think that MS has dropped the ball on this and in the new world of connected TV's they could have even developed WMC futher (more web browsers options, social media plugins) and even produced a low cost set top box (like Apple TV, Boxee, etc) enabling any TV to become a 'connected' TV experience. BTW, that keyboard looks interesting. I was looking in PC world last weekend to see if they had that type of keyboard and couldn't see anything. evil c, turns out my friend has the Samsung UE40D6100 and he loves it. He doesn't have a great broadband connection so can't really utilise iPlayer, Lovefilm, etc but I did get him to try the PVR, as you said its a single tuner (shame) but apparently it works great other wise, with ability to pause live TV, record series, etc. Based on all the feedback I think I'm going to go with the Samsung UE40D6100 which is what I was originally inclined to go for. Richer Sounds have a great deal on for it and hopefully I can order it before that deal expires.