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Ok so I have finished all Seasons of Atlanta the S5 reunion was really good i was not realy expecting much but they really did well. I do wonder though if NeNe will do another season I mean she was quiet this season compared to the other seasons. Also has really become a huge star right now I wonder if she will go and do another season, i would love her to cause if she did go it would be a huge loss for the show.
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1 million dollars a season says its very likely.
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/20...d-housewife-2/ Is she worth it? Hell yes! ATL would be nothing without NeNe because she is ATL! If she left it it would be the end of the show.
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Plus Wacko Jacko would need to be censored out completely, she is like a walking advert for schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Crazy woman. I think viewer feedback, Twitter and the fame has gone to her head. She's a mess. The last reunion just showed you what a loose cannon she is with all these crazy accusations she made towards Teresa and Joe. I'm surprised Caroline and the wider Laurita family haven't stepped in and told her to wise up. I'd be embarrassed if she were representing my family name in front of millions of viewers. I've also read the reason why she didn't attend the Season 3 reunion wasn't because she was ''too distraught to see Teresa'' as they said on the show, but because she's such a loose cannon, producers knew she'd blow the lid on everything that had already been filmed for Season 4. So producers kept her away on purpose. That's why people are confused about Andy Cohen being so harsh on BH's Adrienne for not attending a reunion when it seemed Jacqueline was allowed to do the same thing. |
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The thing is, I thought she was quite nice, normal and the most down to earth one in the first season - put into the awkward position of being friendly with a woman when her slightly controlling in-laws didn't approve. Plus the fact viewers empathised with her miscarriages and struggles to conceive again. Her only downfall was giving in to Ashley's bratty behaviour - getting her a very expensive car as a reward for doing well in summer school! Summer school! A place she was sent to because she couldn't be bothered with it during the normal school year.
I think viewer feedback, Twitter and the fame has gone to her head. She's a mess. The last reunion just showed you what a loose cannon she is with all these crazy accusations she made towards Teresa and Joe. I'm surprised Caroline and the wider Laurita family haven't stepped in and told her to wise up. I'd be embarrassed if she were representing my family name in front of millions of viewers. I've also read the reason why she didn't attend the Season 3 reunion wasn't because she was ''too distraught to see Teresa'' as they said on the show, but because she's such a loose cannon, producers knew she'd blow the lid on everything that had already been filmed for Season 4. So producers kept her away on purpose. That's why people are confused about Andy Cohen being so harsh on BH's Adrienne for not attending a reunion when it seemed Jacqueline was allowed to do the same thing. She must have something over Caroline because Caroline sided with her over Dina. I read this article, from a while back, earlier. Here. The Twitter thing is a bit odd and cleary shows that she wasn't taking Dina's side. I completely agree with the last part. I never thought of that before but I do agree. I think she would have not only blown all of Season 4 but I think she would have blown about anything that had been set up or faked and all the behind the scenes secrets (like the producer intervention, like at the Posche fashion show). She would have been an almighty train wreck to say the least. I still can't believe she's back, I think it's purely damage control on Bravo's behalf though. I'm even more shocked Kathy's back. |
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I'm even more shocked Kathy's back. |
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I think Teresa mentioning Kathy's father at the last reunion and the subsequent argument afterwards with Rosie is why she's still there.
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If you enjoyed the fight between Sheree and Nene, watch these two drag queen's re-enact it. Hilarious! http://youtu.be/MSkNmsAjWg8
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Yeah, I suppose, but I thought they could have at least demoted her to a friend. Hope she ups the drama this season.
But i suppose Bravo like having New Jersey as the HW franchise with a load of family members. I think this season will unmissable dont get me wrong but there are some things they should of changed like drop 2 cast members *cough* I think its about time the show got some new faces. But oh well i think there will be alot of surprises I do think Danielle will make a comeback Even though Andy denied it i think he could be just throwing us off.Kim D causes drama so im looking forward to seeing what she stirs up this time round
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I agree Kathy is just such a bore compared to the others, and i can not stand her husband who i think is a total douche bag. She doesnt add anything to the show apart from jumping onto arguments that don't involve her.
But i suppose Bravo like having New Jersey as the HW franchise with a load of family members. I think this season will unmissable dont get me wrong but there are some things they should of changed like drop 2 cast members *cough* I think its about time the show got some new faces. But oh well i think there will be alot of surprises I do think Danielle will make a comeback Even though Andy denied it i think he could be just throwing us off.Kim D causes drama so im looking forward to seeing what she stirs up this time round ![]() I agree about dropping two cast members. For me it would be Kathy & Jac and maybe Melissa too. I think Caroline is needed to stir the pot though. I feel it would be too much of a change to let her go as well as the others and she has some redeeming moments, now and again. Richie is disgusting, he gives me the creeps especially when he said Kathy tasted like fish, ew. I've said it all along that Danielle will be back for an appearance at least. Andy just wants his OMG moment. Good ol' Kim D. I love her, she is crazy, well at least she thinks she is. It was brilliant when she was shouting "I play with the big boys" at Joe Gorga while clearly intoxicated on god knows what. I don't want her full time though. Her sh*t stirring, by the sounds of it, will be rivaled by Jennifer Daltons this season which should be interesting. Dayna Devon won't be a housewive of Beverly Hills she confirmed it. Carlton Gebbia and Baroness Monica Von Neumann are still in the running though. I still think Latoya Jackson, Tara Reid, Kathy Hilton, Kris Jenner and Pamela Anderson should be considered because they all stay near or in Beverly Hills and none of them are that famous any more. Well, minus Kris and Pamela but Kris is a famewhore so she would do it and she loves drama and Pamela isn't as famous as she once was and needs the money so for a paycheck I'm sure she'd jump on board. Mind you, you couldn't have Kim and Tara on the same show with Tara's party hard lifestyle so maybe not her. |
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That's hilarious, they've got Nene and Sheree's tendencies and mannerisms completely spot on
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I suppose that's what makes NJ unique though. Plus it has more of a sense of 'realness' to it because it's clear to see they are all so emotionally invested in one another.
I agree about dropping two cast members. For me it would be Kathy & Jac and maybe Melissa too. I think Caroline is needed to stir the pot though. I feel it would be too much of a change to let her go as well as the others and she has some redeeming moments, now and again. Richie is disgusting, he gives me the creeps especially when he said Kathy tasted like fish, ew. I've said it all along that Danielle will be back for an appearance at least. Andy just wants his OMG moment. Good ol' Kim D. I love her, she is crazy, well at least she thinks she is. It was brilliant when she was shouting "I play with the big boys" at Joe Gorga while clearly intoxicated on god knows what. I don't want her full time though. Her sh*t stirring, by the sounds of it, will be rivaled by Jennifer Daltons this season which should be interesting. Dayna Devon won't be a housewive of Beverly Hills she confirmed it. Carlton Gebbia and Baroness Monica Von Neumann are still in the running though. I still think Latoya Jackson, Tara Reid, Kathy Hilton, Kris Jenner and Pamela Anderson should be considered because they all stay near or in Beverly Hills and none of them are that famous any more. Well, minus Kris and Pamela but Kris is a famewhore so she would do it and she loves drama and Pamela isn't as famous as she once was and needs the money so for a paycheck I'm sure she'd jump on board. Mind you, you couldn't have Kim and Tara on the same show with Tara's party hard lifestyle so maybe not her. ![]() Sorry i just can not stand her besides it would just turn into another Kardashian show. Plus i dont see her giving up the airtime on E! Pamela Anderson would be 50/50 from what i have seen on her stints on realty TV she doesnt really bring any drama but you never know in her own home and meeting with the ladies could be good TV. Tara Reid would be a good catch i could see her either going against Brandi or with her. Im not really bothered about big names joining i mean i never knew who Brandi was and she became a huge hit. so Maybe someone D List will do
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No way to Kris
![]() Sorry i just can not stand her besides it would just turn into another Kardashian show. Plus i dont see her giving up the airtime on E! Pamela Anderson would be 50/50 from what i have seen on her stints on realty TV she doesnt really bring any drama but you never know in her own home and meeting with the ladies could be good TV. Tara Reid would be a good catch i could see her either going against Brandi or with her. Im not really bothered about big names joining i mean i never knew who Brandi was and she became a huge hit. so Maybe someone D List will do ![]() I think Pammy comes across nice but I have this feeling that she can be a mega bitch if she is crossed which will undoubtedly happen. I think she'd get into it with Yoyo and Brandi quite a bit. Tara would be fantastic, she was in Big Brother anyway. I think she'd bring something new to the show and she doesn't care what anyone thinks of her or what she does, fans included. I think she'd be willing to stoop to Brandi's level and fight dirty back because that's what is needed among the cast. I think the known names are Beverly Hills thing though. Before the show started all the women were known (minus Lisa and Taylor)and Brandi (over the affair) and Yolanda were know before too. These women aren't exactly A or B listers anymore so they would be good imo. We already know Kyle, Lisa, Brandi & Yolanda are definitely back. (Kim & Taylor were seen filming but no one knows their place..it probably relies on casting newbies). If I was producer I'd demote them two to 'friends', even though I adore Kim. The cast would be Kyle, Lisa,Brandi, Yolanda, Tara, Pamela & Kris. That'd shake things up and the viewership would rocket, as would the drama. |
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Almost better than the original isn't it.
How did I miss that video?! OMG- that was beyond fabulous! I still dont know how I missed that, theres not much about Atlanta that gets past me, thanks for posting daisiesfan! Say what you like about Sheree, but she was fabulous to watch. Shes SO Ghetto its hilarious! I cant say I miss her exactly, but Id have loved to see what Sheree made of miss Kenya Moore! I think that would have been brilliant. Major props to the fabulous drag queens in that video, those girls are fierce. Especially loved Sheree, she had her down to a fine art! Wonderful. Moving over to Beverly Hills.....Kris Jenner can you imagine the horror?! Ive never quit on a Housewives show before (well, unless you count Vancouver, but Im trying to pretend season 2 didnt happen!) but I really think that would do it. I cannot stand the woman. I do hope we get a couple of decent new ladies next season though. This Baroness Monica seems interesting, she could be a great addition. Taylor needs to get gone, but if she is indeed being made a "friend" I guess I could deal with that. Kim really needs to go altogether. She should have been done after season 2. And I say this having warmed to Kim this season, but I dont think the show is good for her in the long run, and she needs to run as far and as fast from Kyle as she can. Itll do wonders for her Im sure! I totally think Taylors role depends on which new ladies they cast and how strong they are. Still think its a shame Camille is gone for good, but at least Lisa, Brandi and Yolande will be present! |
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The thing is, I thought she was quite nice, normal and the most down to earth one in the first season - put into the awkward position of being friendly with a woman when her slightly controlling in-laws didn't approve. Plus the fact viewers empathised with her miscarriages and struggles to conceive again. Her only downfall was giving in to Ashley's bratty behaviour - getting her a very expensive car as a reward for doing well in summer school! Summer school! A place she was sent to because she couldn't be bothered with it during the normal school year.
I think viewer feedback, Twitter and the fame has gone to her head. She's a mess. The last reunion just showed you what a loose cannon she is with all these crazy accusations she made towards Teresa and Joe. I'm surprised Caroline and the wider Laurita family haven't stepped in and told her to wise up. I'd be embarrassed if she were representing my family name in front of millions of viewers. I've also read the reason why she didn't attend the Season 3 reunion wasn't because she was ''too distraught to see Teresa'' as they said on the show, but because she's such a loose cannon, producers knew she'd blow the lid on everything that had already been filmed for Season 4. So producers kept her away on purpose. That's why people are confused about Andy Cohen being so harsh on BH's Adrienne for not attending a reunion when it seemed Jacqueline was allowed to do the same thing. I think Jac got a pass for a number of reasons- it was such a messy situation with them filming seasons 3 and 4 back to back (and so filming season 4 while 3 was airing), they were filming late at the posche fashion show the night before they filmed the season 3 reunion so i imagine the producers had a nightmare situation trying to piece them back together and get them in front of the cameras the next morning. It also added to the drama that Jac wasnt there because she had had a huge fight with Teresa- good advertising for season 4 where as Adrienne not turning up was a let down because all the drama was about her all season and she wasnt there to talk about it, so i could see why andy would be more pissed at her than Jac. Also even if he was annoyed with Jac she had already filmed the next season so couldnt be fired. |
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How did I miss that video?! OMG- that was beyond fabulous! I still dont know how I missed that, theres not much about Atlanta that gets past me, thanks for posting daisiesfan! Say what you like about Sheree, but she was fabulous to watch. Shes SO Ghetto its hilarious! I cant say I miss her exactly, but Id have loved to see what Sheree made of miss Kenya Moore! I think that would have been brilliant. Major props to the fabulous drag queens in that video, those girls are fierce. Especially loved Sheree, she had her down to a fine art! Wonderful.
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I think Jac got a pass for a number of reasons- it was such a messy situation with them filming seasons 3 and 4 back to back (and so filming season 4 while 3 was airing), they were filming late at the posche fashion show the night before they filmed the season 3 reunion so i imagine the producers had a nightmare situation trying to piece them back together and get them in front of the cameras the next morning.
It also added to the drama that Jac wasnt there because she had had a huge fight with Teresa- good advertising for season 4 where as Adrienne not turning up was a let down because all the drama was about her all season and she wasnt there to talk about it, so i could see why andy would be more pissed at her than Jac. Also even if he was annoyed with Jac she had already filmed the next season so couldnt be fired. |
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omg guess who just followed me on twitter?!! only Danielle from RHONJ
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omg guess who just followed me on twitter?!! only Danielle from RHONJ
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I'm sure filming a season while the previous one is airing must've created a nightmare for the producers. The housewives would've been meeting for filming and probably would've been holding resentments about things they'd just watched on TV and read on the blogs. For example, Teresa and Melissa may be on good terms but watching an episode filmed months before when they weren't would've reignited those tensions - which then would've created a sudden bad atmosphere that would've been hard to explain.
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Moving over to Beverly Hills.....Kris Jenner
can you imagine the horror?! Ive never quit on a Housewives show before (well, unless you count Vancouver, but Im trying to pretend season 2 didnt happen!) but I really think that would do it. I cannot stand the woman. I do hope we get a couple of decent new ladies next season though. This Baroness Monica seems interesting, she could be a great addition. Taylor needs to get gone, but if she is indeed being made a "friend" I guess I could deal with that. Kim really needs to go altogether. She should have been done after season 2. And I say this having warmed to Kim this season, but I dont think the show is good for her in the long run, and she needs to run as far and as fast from Kyle as she can. Itll do wonders for her Im sure! I totally think Taylors role depends on which new ladies they cast and how strong they are. Still think its a shame Camille is gone for good, but at least Lisa, Brandi and Yolande will be present! The only thing about the Baroness is we have a Countess and a Princess and their boring as hell and think everythings beneath them. (Even though the later is very witty) Mind you Luann asking Ramona what else she was going to pull out of her 'pino filled ass' was hysterical. So I hope she isn't like that, Carlton Gebbia sounds like she'd be a good fit. woahh, back up! lol. My Kimmy can stay, I love sober Kim! I don't think Kim gets enough credit for the drama she creates (lets face it she basically created the massive Adrienne, Brandi storyline) or the fact she's the only housewive on BH that doesn't care what the other women or the viewers think. She'd definitely be worse of the show, she'd have no source of income which would stress/worry her out and that would send her straight back to alcohol, plus it gives her something to occupy herself with. I don't think that's fair, yes Kyles an asshole to her and needs to treat her better, but I think Kyle has been there for her a lot and it must get tiring. Not really sure how much Kathy and Rich have done or been there for her though. But yeah, my main point is, keep Kim! Sassy you will love her one day! ![]() I like Taylor but maybe she needs for a season or permanently. Just so people can start to like her a bit more like what happened this season after she was faded out a bit. Then if she is liked again bring her back as a full housewive, like Alexia Echevarria from RHOM. I'm disappointed Camille has left also. I don't care for Yolanda or Brandi. I think Brandi is in for a big fall this season unless she reigns it in. A lot of viewer comments on other blogs that are usually pro Brandi are doing a 360. Lisa, I love to hate, so I want her to stay but I want Kyle to stop trying to be her friend and a fan favourite and grow a pair and go back to being herself (a bitch). Kyle really needs to bring it this season because Yolanda, Lisa & Brandi will be going after her hard. |
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Question about Vancouver: Any news on a s3? I really do want a S3 but with Jodie and ronnie gone. Bring in 2 new HW
And any news on Ladies of london AKA Rhol ?
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I love how differently we see the HoWives, Andrew. Although we like the same "big" names like Teresa and Nene and Jill, the rest we have to differ on.It's a good job we aren't on some US boards, they'd expect us to be at each others throats, instead of finding our opposing point of view amusing. I don't think they get the idea of everyone's viewpoint being valuable. It's why I love this thread. Kim, I've thought, should never have been on BH. Mentally she's a train wreck and she and Kyle need a few thousand miles between them. Their relationship is toxic, while Brandi and latterly, Yolande, I love. Sheree annoys the crap out of me. Her attitude gets right up my nose. Get off your butt, woman...even if it isn't donkeylicious like Phaedra's. Do something- she expects everything to drop in her lap just because she was once married to a huge NFL star. She already lied and cheated about the divorce settlement, then spends every season whinging about how he doesn't pay child support! Doesn't she know Google exists? I was howling with laughter at Phaedra and setting up her funeral parlour. I honestly think she'd make a great stand up comedienne, her one liners crack me up. I'd forgotten just how funny she is. The deadpan delivery of them just adds to the mirth. The promo for NJ looks promising, though how the heck they brought them all back baffles me. I felt sure Jaq and hopefully, Kathy were gonners. I dont want Danielle back either. She was such a loose cannon and I found her threats distinctly uncomfortable to watch. I don't want another series of "bash Teresa" either, it was horrible. As to Kris Jenner....Dear God NOOOOOOOOOO Keep the Kardashians to E. not cluttering up the HW franchises. Kathy Hilton would be a fabulous addition though. I'd even accept a smidgeon of Paris and Nicky if I really had to. I'm going to miss Atlanta. Thank goodness I can still watch S4 on ITV2 for a bit. I'd love them to keep going with S5 after. Kenya is such a great addition, her fights, especially with Phaedra are epic. So, Vive La Difference. If we all thought alike it'd be a dull world.
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I love how differently we see the HoWives, Andrew. Although we like the same "big" names like Teresa and Nene and Jill, the rest we have to differ on.It's a good job we aren't on some US boards, they'd expect us to be at each others throats, instead of finding our opposing point of view amusing. I don't think they get the idea of everyone's viewpoint being valuable. It's why I love this thread. Kim, I've thought, should never have been on BH. Mentally she's a train wreck and she and Kyle need a few thousand miles between them. Their relationship is toxic, while Brandi and latterly, Yolande, I love. The promo for NJ looks promising, though how the heck they brought them all back baffles me. I felt sure Jaq and hopefully, Kathy were gonners. I dont want Danielle back either. She was such a loose cannon and I found her threats distinctly uncomfortable to watch. I don't want another series of "bash Teresa" either, it was horrible. As to Kris Jenner....Dear God NOOOOOOOOOO Keep the Kardashians to E. not cluttering up the HW franchises. Kathy Hilton would be a fabulous addition though. I'd even accept a smidgeon of Paris and Nicky if I really had to. So, Vive La Difference. If we all thought alike it'd be a dull world.I agree that she was a mental trainwreck season 1 and 2 but I genuinely believe she has turned her life around for the most part. I liked Yolanda but her constant hypocrisy just became too much and her out of the blue attacks on Kyle in the blogs for no apparent reason was irritating, I think she was playing up to the fans once she realised Kyle wasn't liked. But each to their own. ![]() I thought Jac would be back. Simply because they couldn't have left her and Tre the way they did. It would have been so anti-climactic and would have ended on a cliff-hanger. Kathy I'm still in shock that she's back. Maybe she's there to show that not all New Jersey women belong in the loony bin. Danielle was hysterical with her macho gangster talk and then collapsing within an inch of her life because someone tugged her hair. But if it takes the heat away from Tre, welcome home honey! That's all I can say because like you I can't deal with another everyone V Tre or everyone V (insert name here) for that matter. Surely, Kathy must have been approached and declined the offer. It would definitely be an interesting dynamic to see who's side she took during her sisters and other cast members arguments, or even who's she took during a Kim V Kyle moment. She would be a terrific addition to show, no doubt about it. It sure would that Tally. |
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..speaking of fights; Nene just threw Brandi some serious shade...and Brandi 'doesn't give a f*ck' so much she keeps tweeting about it. LOL. Nene's head is so far up her own ass but she did have a point in everything she said, from Brandi to Melissa Gorga. |
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ATL would be nothing without NeNe because she is ATL! If she left it it would be the end of the show.

*cough* I think its about time the show got some new faces. But oh well i think there will be alot of surprises I do think Danielle will make a comeback Even though Andy denied it i think he could be just throwing us off.
Sorry i just can not stand her besides it would just turn into another Kardashian show. Plus i dont see her giving up the airtime on E!
can you imagine the horror?! Ive never quit on a Housewives show before (well, unless you count Vancouver, but Im trying to pretend season 2 didnt happen!) but I really think that would do it. I cannot stand the woman.