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Old 27-10-2011, 08:57
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This mght explain a lot of things lol. I was sent this as a warning the first advert last a few mins then the main feature comes on lol

All I will say is....who do we know who loves gummi bears???

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Old 27-10-2011, 16:32
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What is Sonja doing right now!? My God, shes more out of touch than Kelly.
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Old 27-10-2011, 17:42
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This mght explain a lot of things lol. I was sent this as a warning the first advert last a few mins then the main feature comes on lol

All I will say is....who do we know who loves gummi bears???

http://www.clickondetroit.com/video/29384556/index.html
Hmmm, that would explain a lot, permanently pissed

Can I quote myself I am still not getting this ?


Can someone explain the conversation Ramona had outside the church and someone overheard it, someones brother ? someone had passed away? It involves Cindy or her brother ?? A funny mouth ? I am totally confused by it but I think it might be an ongoing storyline?
Anyone ?
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Old 27-10-2011, 17:54
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Bingoes, Its do with Cindy's Brother and the lady listening was his partner (Alex?).

The storyline seems to have come out of the blue, but it looks like a good friend of Ramonas died and Cindy's brother was given his cigars, Ramona didn't know this and was talking to him at a party or something and he told her whose cigars he was smoking, this really upset Ramona as it brought back memories of when her Mother died and her Father had given her Mother's jewellery to his new partner and then told Ramona what she was wearing. Ramona had freaked at Cindy's Brother and it doesn't look like they had cleared the air over the incident since so thats why Ramona was horrified to see him at the wedding.

Think thats the jist of it all

Gosh Sonja has become really vile Talk about up her own backside

Cindy's mannerisms often remind me of Vicki from RHOC, anyone else notice the faces she pulls are Vicki to a tee. Kelly seems more normal lately and I may be alone in this, but I'm warming to Jill again
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Old 27-10-2011, 18:03
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Can someone explain the conversation Ramona had outside the church and someone overheard it, someones brother ? someone had passed away? It involves Cindy or her brother ?? I am totally confused by it but I think it might be an ongoing storyline?
Been a while since I watched season 4, so im not sure if this is the convo you mean, basically, If I remember right, Ramona had a friend called Jeff? who passed away, he was married to the woman who is now dating Cindys brother & at the Hamptons wedding Ramona saw Cindys brother smoking a cigar or something that belonged to Jeff & she pretty much freaked out over it, I think she was bitching about this to someone & the woman (Jeffs ex) who is dating Cindys bro overheard this.

Have to agree with people over Sonjas change in character, I really liked her during season 3 but then in season 4 I found her entirely irritating, you do find out later in the season a bit more about whats going on with her though, but still. Kicking Alex out of her house was a bit overboard though lol & has she hit out with the infamous "theres a pecking order" line yet?! Oh Dear.....
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Old 27-10-2011, 18:04
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Thanks Zippy, phew I had to read it three times before I got it. Good god, Ramona making lemons out of lemonade I think
for this super duper business woman she don't arf get worked up over the most stupid of thiings, jeez it's a bloody cigar, she obvioulsy needs to sort out her issues aout her dead father.

Off to do a bit of catch up
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Old 27-10-2011, 18:06
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Bingoes, Its do with Cindy's Brother and the lady listening was his partner (Alex?).

The storyline seems to have come out of the blue, but it looks like a good friend of Ramonas died and Cindy's brother was given his cigars, Ramona didn't know this and was talking to him at a party or something and he told her whose cigars he was smoking, this really upset Ramona as it brought back memories of when her Mother died and her Father had given her Mother's jewellery to his new partner and then told Ramona what she was wearing. Ramona had freaked at Cindy's Brother and it doesn't look like they had cleared the air over the incident since so thats why Ramona was horrified to see him at the wedding.
Looks like you just beat me to it Zippy!
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Old 27-10-2011, 18:11
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Bingoes, Its do with Cindy's Brother and the lady listening was his partner (Alex?).

The storyline seems to have come out of the blue, but it looks like a good friend of Ramonas died and Cindy's brother was given his cigars, Ramona didn't know this and was talking to him at a party or something and he told her whose cigars he was smoking, this really upset Ramona as it brought back memories of when her Mother died and her Father had given her Mother's jewellery to his new partner and then told Ramona what she was wearing. Ramona had freaked at Cindy's Brother and it doesn't look like they had cleared the air over the incident since so thats why Ramona was horrified to see him at the wedding.

Think thats the jist of it all

Gosh Sonja has become really vile Talk about up her own backside

Cindy's mannerisms often remind me of Vicki from RHOC, anyone else notice the faces she pulls are Vicki to a tee. Kelly seems more normal lately and I may be alone in this, but I'm warming to Jill again
I think part of the story is that Cindy's brother's girlfriend is the ex wife of Ramona's friend that died. And Ramona thinks its poor taste that he's dating his friends widow and smoking his cigars and telling her about it.

Also I think Ramona was just comparing it to how it would feel if her dad had done that with her mothers jewellery as an example, i dont think that actually happened.

Im also warming to Jill again. I think its a bad sign that i feel myself drawn to/relating to her the most
im the worst at holding grudges myself so i didnt even hate her last season.
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Old 27-10-2011, 19:50
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Yes thats makes sense now Conor thanks.
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Old 28-10-2011, 00:18
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Look at this about RHONY




In rumor round 8 zillion about the Real Housewives of New York firings, a new report is now alleging that Bethenny Frankel got her former best friend Jill Zarin axed from the show!

Bethenny has had a tough shakes of things lately, and there has been much speculation about her versions of the truth being you know, truthful, but is she really still so angry at Jill she would sabotage her career? Somebody thinks so!

Bethenny is the subject of a scathing new report by the New York Post which not only claims she plotted to get Jill fired from the show that made them both famous, but that she’s also a master manipulator, and that the real-life of Bethenny is totally different than what the world sees.

I’m not sure how reliable this unnamed source is and I’m also not sure I believe most of this article, but you can decide for yourself what you think.

“Every single person in her life is someone who is on her payroll, including her husband, Jason Hoppy,” the insider insists. “Bethenny’s whole agenda has been to keep it real, and none of it is real. It’s all planted stories and her trying to bury her enemies.”

“Everything she’s done, from what she did to Jill Zarin on the show with behind-the-scenes torture to what she’s doing now, is pure Bethenny.” The insider, who purports to be close to Bethenny, is not giving a reason for why Bethenny would still harbor such resentment towards Jill and claims that during her final season as a housewife, Bethenny refused to speak to Jill unless cameras were rolling and exacerbated a petty argument into a “full-blown war” in order to boost her popularity. That same insider also claims Bethenny manipulates Andy Cohen.

An unnamed media observer declares that Bethenny went into Housewives with a plan. “She had done a reality show, with Martha Stewart’s ‘The Apprentice,’ before any of the other housewives, so she was always 10 beats ahead.”

“She is the best publicist-marketer-hustler I’ve ever seen. She is PT Barnum. But the sad thing is the amount of people she’s thrown under the bus to get to where she is,” observer continues.

The article claims Bethenny “carefully manipulates reporters to meet her goals,” alleging that early on in her career, Bethenny would call gossip columnists to plant items that were either exaggerations or blatantly false, aka the rumor that she dated A-Rod. Several gossip editors reportedly instituted a “Bethenny ban” because her calls were so frequent.

“She dated WireImage’s photographer Kevin Mazur and made sure to get pictures on the red carpet before anyone knew who she was. She is the best publicist-marketer-hustler I’ve ever seen. She is PT Barnum. But the sad thing is the amount of people she’s thrown under the bus to get to where she is,” says a media observer.

The unidentified insider feels Bethenny’s days on top may be numbered as even those in her employ are tired of her “More, more, more, mine, mine, mine” attitude. “Being around her is like having chest pains,” the source explains. “She is a horrible, horrible screamer. Every person around her is feeling the anxiety. She goes from 0 to 60 in a second. You open the door, and you have no idea. It could be a storm, it could be a dozen roses.”

“I hate to say it, but as one of the producers from the show told me: ‘We’re just hoping it’s going to be, “Bethenny’s Getting a Divorce?” snipes the insider. “Because how long can this go on for?” the source comments on the fate of Bethenny’s show Bethenny Ever After. “The minute she stops being viable for Andy and making money, he’ll walk away from her just like he walked away from everyone else,” says the same insider who accuses her of manipulating Andy.

The source also alleges that Bethenny’s got Jill axed from RHONY. Does she really have that much pull??? Bethenny’s “whole game plan was to pull Jill down, and she did it and Jill got fired.”

Jill who has recently spoken out defending her former friend’s on-going troubles in the media (hey, she knows from experience), stated: “I hope she sees [the bad press] as a mere bump in the road and chalks it up to a lesson learned. Everyone makes mistakes but it is how you handle it that defines you.”

But when a fan Tweeted Jill a link to this article, writing: “This article confirms everything I always suspected about Bethenny & Andy Cohen! Vindication for @JillZarin at last!!” Jill responded, Tweeting back: “Sad day for me to find out.”

Jill later followed up with another Tweet pertaining to the article, remarking: “Haters will never believe truth. It would mean admitting they were wrong.” Bethenny has yet to comment on the accusations. It appears Jill is insinuating the article is accurate and Bethenny did get her fired… which all seems slightly absurd! Did Bethenny get Alex McCord and Kelly Bensimon fired as well? At the end of the day, I don’t believe Bethenny has enough pull at Bravo to get anyone fired!
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Old 28-10-2011, 00:19
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I'm sorry for that long post, I thought I was posting a link
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Old 28-10-2011, 02:52
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Nah! Saved me googling it Thanks.

Anyone see the E True Hollywood Story on Bethenney last night? (I think that was the first showing, so it'll be on umpteen times in the future). It does make her out as a control freak, but if her childhood is to be believed, then she had to grow up pretty much loveless. But certainly her motivation is money and who you know.


I've still got a bad taste in my mouth after watching this week's BH episode. Unless I was completely destitute, if I was Brandi, I'd leave. I would NOT be around Kim and Kyle. They are beyond rude and obnoxious. What a pity Lisa cant shut her gob and find out what actually happened?

Still got a whole lot of love for Adrienne.
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Old 28-10-2011, 10:43
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I do not understand the Real Housewives of New York. None of the women are genuine upper class socialites, most are not wives and they seem to either have money from being the third or fourth wives of rich men and live off divorce settlements. Surely there are better women than these to focus on. Sonja and Kelly are both mad and delusional and think they are 25. The fake Countess thinks she was born into Royalty but from what I know was raised in a poor family. The only interesting one is Ramona because she is who she is and does not pretend to be anything other than strange. The show needs Betheney, I saw her THS and actually understand why she is the way she is.
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Old 28-10-2011, 16:38
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I do not understand the Real Housewives of New York. None of the women are genuine upper class socialites, most are not wives and they seem to either have money from being the third or fourth wives of rich men and live off divorce settlements. Surely there are better women than these to focus on. Sonja and Kelly are both mad and delusional and think they are 25. The fake Countess thinks she was born into Royalty but from what I know was raised in a poor family. The only interesting one is Ramona because she is who she is and does not pretend to be anything other than strange. The show needs Betheney, I saw her THS and actually understand why she is the way she is.
But isn't that to be said of nearly all the wives on the real housewives series, New Jersey, Orange County majority are on their second, third, fourth husband or divorced, seperated and even single. All of these woman have so called 'issues' and are quite undesirable, I love to watch these show as it make me feel good about myself I love them.

Valerian: I am sure Betheney is no saint I will watch with interest how this one pains out. Did not know that Andy Cohen was the main man, I thought he was just the presenter for the reunion shows. Interesting stuff.

Yesterdays show: Oh good god Sonja 'don't dance with my staff' 'You did not have Pinot Grigio for Ramona' 'There is a pecking order' ......... WTF

Ramona's 'dinner date' with Cindy, Ramona 'when you have been married 17 years you will understand' ... again WTF

OK that's it I've gone off Sonja, Ramona has gone back to being vicious and I think Cindy might be OK. Never thought I would say this but Jill is looking the most normal at the moment.

Oh yes and did Jill say that she has a grandchild to Alex ?

NOTE: for anyone interested there is 25% off Pinot Grigio at Tesco this week
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Old 28-10-2011, 16:57
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But isn't that to be said of nearly all the wives on the real housewives series, New Jersey, Orange County majority are on their second, third, fourth husband or divorced, seperated and even single. All of these woman have so called 'issues' and are quite undesirable, I love to watch these show as it make me feel good about myself I love them.

Valerian: I am sure Betheney is no saint I will watch with interest how this one pains out. Did not know that Andy Cohen was the main man, I thought he was just the presenter for the reunion shows. Interesting stuff.

Yesterdays show: Oh good god Sonja 'don't dance with my staff' 'You did not have Pinot Grigio for Ramona' 'There is a pecking order' ......... WTF

Ramona's 'dinner date' with Cindy, Ramona 'when you have been married 17 years you will understand' ... again WTF

OK that's it I've gone off Sonja, Ramona has gone back to being vicious and I think Cindy might be OK. Never thought I would say this but Jill is looking the most normal at the moment.

Oh yes and did Jill say that she has a grandchild to Alex ?

NOTE: for anyone interested there is 25% off Pinot Grigio at Tesco this week
They are some crazy b*tches on rhony i mean they all have issues i do think that sonja has ideas above her station. when she said to cindy 'there is a pecking order and ramona was a star' i was speechless, she also spoke down to her like cindy was something on her shoei really think the fame has got to her head.yeah jill said her husbands first son had a baby so she is now a grandmother, would,nt she be a step-grandmother as it,s not her son?i do like cindy she seems ok, and i do like kelly even though she is alittle crazy , but would,nt anyone being around those women? oh and thanks for the heads up about the wine a trip to tesco is in order
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Old 28-10-2011, 17:52
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But isn't that to be said of nearly all the wives on the real housewives series, New Jersey, Orange County majority are on their second, third, fourth husband or divorced, seperated and even single. All of these woman have so called 'issues' and are quite undesirable, I love to watch these show as it make me feel good about myself I love them.

Valerian: I am sure Betheney is no saint I will watch with interest how this one pains out. Did not know that Andy Cohen was the main man, I thought he was just the presenter for the reunion shows. Interesting stuff.

Yesterdays show: Oh good god Sonja 'don't dance with my staff' 'You did not have Pinot Grigio for Ramona' 'There is a pecking order' ......... WTF

Ramona's 'dinner date' with Cindy, Ramona 'when you have been married 17 years you will understand' ... again WTF

OK that's it I've gone off Sonja, Ramona has gone back to being vicious and I think Cindy might be OK. Never thought I would say this but Jill is looking the most normal at the moment.

Oh yes and did Jill say that she has a grandchild to Alex ?

NOTE: for anyone interested there is 25% off Pinot Grigio at Tesco this week
I get your point about the women bringing the crazy and plenty of issues but they take being fake and false to new depths. When you are the 3rd and 4th wife of any man you are in no position to lecture anyone about class, good manners, breeding and pecking order. Jill said she did not want to see people laughing at Sonja but it is too late, Sonja is a joke her ex husband was 80 years old. Kellys ex husband was married to Elle Macpherson something that seems to fill Kelly with pride it is laughable. I like Cindy I am not sure what she is doing on the show, she seems to be thinking the same. Jill has calmed down alot I do not think it will last.
I will get my Pino Grigio this weekend also
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Old 28-10-2011, 20:01
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As Bravo are going to focus so much on Ramona's drinking during Season 4 to the point where the way she was specifying it HAD to be Pinot Grigio, and then throwing a strop if it wasn't there, I had her down for rehab.

I'm sure no mention was made of it, but it'd have made a whole lot more sense if they had- Ramona launched her own PG LABEL last year, even flogging it on amazon!!

The cringeworthy scenes of her constrantly banging on and on about it are her oh so subtle attempts to promote it on the show.

Only on the Real HoWives!

( For some reason a horrible flashback of Lyn's ghastly cuffs on OC came into my head) Seriously, apart from cuckoo Kelly is there any of them who dont use the show to pimp out various tacky merchandise, or, even worse - tuneless songs and awful books?

Karma is a bitch for Jill as her Jewish Mama book bombed spectacuarly while B became a multi-millionaire after successfully selling her Skinny girl franchise. Jill must have been fuming.

I wonder how many copies of the Countless's screed on Etiquette are in Bargain buckets around the US?
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Old 28-10-2011, 20:05
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I've seen more of Sonja's nether regions than I have her teeth
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Old 28-10-2011, 20:08
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I've seen more of Sonja's nether regions than I have her teeth
Not a pretty sight is it?

It'll be all toaster ovens soon. She's obviously angling for a best seller on recipes for your toaster oven.

Just one small point, What the hell is a toaster oven?
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Old 28-10-2011, 20:16
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Not a pretty sight is it?

It'll be all toaster ovens soon. She's obviously angling for a best seller on recipes for your toaster oven.

Just one small point, What the hell is a toaster oven?
Haha, exactly, glad it's not just me
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Old 28-10-2011, 20:19
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I think this is my guilty pleasure.

Haven't watched much of it, but when it's on I feel drawn to it.
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Old 28-10-2011, 20:47
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Not a pretty sight is it?

It'll be all toaster ovens soon. She's obviously angling for a best seller on recipes for your toaster oven.

Just one small point, What the hell is a toaster oven?

Sonya explains all lol Found this on YouTube !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0X427FYuyU
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Old 28-10-2011, 20:59
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As Bravo are going to focus so much on Ramona's drinking during Season 4 to the point where the way she was specifying it HAD to be Pinot Grigio, and then throwing a strop if it wasn't there, I had her down for rehab.

I'm sure no mention was made of it, but it'd have made a whole lot more sense if they had- Ramona launched her own PG LABEL last year, even flogging it on amazon!!

The cringeworthy scenes of her constrantly banging on and on about it are her oh so subtle attempts to promote it on the show.

Only on the Real HoWives!

( For some reason a horrible flashback of Lyn's ghastly cuffs on OC came into my head) Seriously, apart from cuckoo Kelly is there any of them who dont use the show to pimp out various tacky merchandise, or, even worse - tuneless songs and awful books?

Karma is a bitch for Jill as her Jewish Mama book bombed spectacuarly while B became a multi-millionaire after successfully selling her Skinny girl franchise. Jill must have been fuming.

I wonder how many copies of the Countless's screed on Etiquette are in Bargain buckets around the US?
Ramonas Pinot Grigio, heres what she charges converts to UK pound

Bottle.....$13.99.............£8.69

Case.......$167.88...........£104.27

Think I will stick to my usual large bottle of Hock from Tescos lol
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Old 28-10-2011, 21:15
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I'm normally a lurker on Digital Spy and don't post very often but have just read this thread entirely and just had to post! I am a HUGE housewives fan and have watched every single episode for every single franchise.....even Miami, DC and Atlanta!

NY is definitely my favourite although I will be sad to watch it without Jill and Alex & Simon but the NJ one at the moment is just unbelievable at the moment with all the Teresa / Manzo fighting that is going on. Teresa is a piece of work, no?

With the suicide of Russell Armstrong it really shows how even though these are "reality" shows and supposed to be mindless entertainment, they still impact people and I get that they are paid well for appearing in the shows but the fights and the drama eventually break up families and friendships and that's sad. I often wonder if Andy Cohen feels any responsibility for creating the drama but then letting them all go at it without having to deal with the fall out.

Also I follow nearly all of the housewives on Twitter and I read a lot of the American blogs and articles written about it and have had a few messages back on twitter from Simon who loves to interact with fans and also got a message back from Jacqueline once!

I watch them all in real time a day or so after they're aired in USA (not going to say where I get them from!). I think the new Atlanta starts 6th November and that's probably going to be mostly focused on Kim & Kroy and the new baby / new house / wedding and I think NeNe has been opening restaurants in airports(?). Oh and I think I saw an advert that Bethenny Getting Married is being aired in the UK, can't remember which channel Style or Diva maybe?

Also I love Giuliana & Bill (poor G :cry), Big Rich Texas, Sister Wives, Most Eligible Dallas and anything else I can get my hands on!!

Anyway I love them all, it's my guilty pleasure and I will keep an eye on this thread for updates!
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Old 28-10-2011, 21:20
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Look at this about RHONY




In rumor round 8 zillion about the Real Housewives of New York firings, a new report is now alleging that Bethenny Frankel got her former best friend Jill Zarin axed from the show!

Bethenny has had a tough shakes of things lately, and there has been much speculation about her versions of the truth being you know, truthful, but is she really still so angry at Jill she would sabotage her career? Somebody thinks so!

Bethenny is the subject of a scathing new report by the New York Post which not only claims she plotted to get Jill fired from the show that made them both famous, but that she’s also a master manipulator, and that the real-life of Bethenny is totally different than what the world sees.

I’m not sure how reliable this unnamed source is and I’m also not sure I believe most of this article, but you can decide for yourself what you think.

“Every single person in her life is someone who is on her payroll, including her husband, Jason Hoppy,” the insider insists. “Bethenny’s whole agenda has been to keep it real, and none of it is real. It’s all planted stories and her trying to bury her enemies.”

“Everything she’s done, from what she did to Jill Zarin on the show with behind-the-scenes torture to what she’s doing now, is pure Bethenny.” The insider, who purports to be close to Bethenny, is not giving a reason for why Bethenny would still harbor such resentment towards Jill and claims that during her final season as a housewife, Bethenny refused to speak to Jill unless cameras were rolling and exacerbated a petty argument into a “full-blown war” in order to boost her popularity. That same insider also claims Bethenny manipulates Andy Cohen.

An unnamed media observer declares that Bethenny went into Housewives with a plan. “She had done a reality show, with Martha Stewart’s ‘The Apprentice,’ before any of the other housewives, so she was always 10 beats ahead.”

“She is the best publicist-marketer-hustler I’ve ever seen. She is PT Barnum. But the sad thing is the amount of people she’s thrown under the bus to get to where she is,” observer continues.

The article claims Bethenny “carefully manipulates reporters to meet her goals,” alleging that early on in her career, Bethenny would call gossip columnists to plant items that were either exaggerations or blatantly false, aka the rumor that she dated A-Rod. Several gossip editors reportedly instituted a “Bethenny ban” because her calls were so frequent.

“She dated WireImage’s photographer Kevin Mazur and made sure to get pictures on the red carpet before anyone knew who she was. She is the best publicist-marketer-hustler I’ve ever seen. She is PT Barnum. But the sad thing is the amount of people she’s thrown under the bus to get to where she is,” says a media observer.

The unidentified insider feels Bethenny’s days on top may be numbered as even those in her employ are tired of her “More, more, more, mine, mine, mine” attitude. “Being around her is like having chest pains,” the source explains. “She is a horrible, horrible screamer. Every person around her is feeling the anxiety. She goes from 0 to 60 in a second. You open the door, and you have no idea. It could be a storm, it could be a dozen roses.”

“I hate to say it, but as one of the producers from the show told me: ‘We’re just hoping it’s going to be, “Bethenny’s Getting a Divorce?” snipes the insider. “Because how long can this go on for?” the source comments on the fate of Bethenny’s show Bethenny Ever After. “The minute she stops being viable for Andy and making money, he’ll walk away from her just like he walked away from everyone else,” says the same insider who accuses her of manipulating Andy.

The source also alleges that Bethenny’s got Jill axed from RHONY. Does she really have that much pull??? Bethenny’s “whole game plan was to pull Jill down, and she did it and Jill got fired.”

Jill who has recently spoken out defending her former friend’s on-going troubles in the media (hey, she knows from experience), stated: “I hope she sees [the bad press] as a mere bump in the road and chalks it up to a lesson learned. Everyone makes mistakes but it is how you handle it that defines you.”

But when a fan Tweeted Jill a link to this article, writing: “This article confirms everything I always suspected about Bethenny & Andy Cohen! Vindication for @JillZarin at last!!” Jill responded, Tweeting back: “Sad day for me to find out.”

Jill later followed up with another Tweet pertaining to the article, remarking: “Haters will never believe truth. It would mean admitting they were wrong.” Bethenny has yet to comment on the accusations. It appears Jill is insinuating the article is accurate and Bethenny did get her fired… which all seems slightly absurd! Did Bethenny get Alex McCord and Kelly Bensimon fired as well? At the end of the day, I don’t believe Bethenny has enough pull at Bravo to get anyone fired!
Was the unamed source Jill Zarin?

Not surprised by any of that, never took to Bethany, she always struck me as a hard faced mare.

I saw the E show about her this week and her back story was far less tragic than I assumed. Was also shocked that the muppet mouthed one was able to attract so many millionaires clamouring to put a ring on it. Poor Bethany indeed
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