I think her problem is she no longer has Lisa or Bravo to back her up like they did last year when she was lying about Adrienne's 'take Lisa down meeting' and the Maloof law suit.

Lisa was pissed at Adrienne so was happy to tell fibs to support Brandi's story and Bravo was annoyed that Adrienne attempted to quit mid-season so down played the fact this lawsuit (or letter) didn't exist.

Neither of them have any reason to want to punish Joyce.

I was under the impression that the Maloofs did attempt to sue Brandi, but it turned out that, under the terms of their Bravo contract, they were forbidden to do so

Having discovered that they were unable to push ahead with the lawsuit, the Maloofs pretended that they were never going to sue Brandi anyway

- I don't know this is correct, but it's the way it came across to me

Don't want to hijack but everyone here check the new season of Mob Wives out. Great for everyone who is bored with housewives at the moment - they are just great.

Adrienne's ex lawyer and business partner who was leaking the gossip to Brandi was sent a cease and desist letter (who obviously should not be using their position to leak private information, hence legal action being taken).

There was no action taken against Brandi whatsoever. The letter her 'lawyer' received was not for Brandi at all, it was this 'lawyer' who Adrienne was threatening to take action against if they continued to talk about privileged information shared under client/attorney confidentiality. Brandi made out it was she who was being sued until she realized this could be checked ... Brandi then changed her tune to just receiving a letter (which Lisa claimed to have seen). This again was a lie.

Brandi then starting using terms like 'you sent my lawyer a letter' which was true in a way but not in the way she wanted to suggest (that her 'lawyer' was working on her behalf). She may even have been fibbing this lawyer was her lawyer, they may just have been friends.

Camille confronted Brandi over this on twitter and confirmed exactly what happened. Brandi of course accused Camille of lying all the while changing her story to cover the hole Camille had exposed.

Brandi eventually essentially confirmed this at the reunion which was then quickly brushed aside because Bravo weren't interested in making Adrienne look like the innocent party after she'd pissed them off.

This then begs the question what exactly was Brandi paying this lawyer $10,000 for? Another fib maybe?

Oho! Well that casts things in a rather different light...


I've been thinking about Brandi's youtube 'apology', and while I originally thought it stemmed from her realisation that viewers were turning on her and staying loyal to Vanderpump, now I'm wondering if it's actually because she's about to do something horrible to Kyle, which is of course out of odds with their current 'friendship' status - So maybe the apology is an attempt to reconcile that apparent discrepancy

It was also this same lawyer who was the one who apparently told Brandi about the pre-reunion take-down Lisa meeting Adrienne had invited all the women to. The meeting all the other women had no idea about.

Just watched the latest episode of Atlanta and Mama Joyce needs to get a grip. Was it just me or did anyone else get the impression that was all totally set up for the cameras.
I dunno if I'm just housewives'd out or what but I'm just not feeling the housewives shows the way I used to. Yes there have been some great moments of late (Miami reunion anyone?) but on the whole I'm feeling like I can't be bothered with them anymore, as it's all becoming too samey. I'll continue to watch though and hopefully i'll get back into them.

Well Beverly Hills was full of tension, catty remarks and raised eyebrows (if their botox allowed it). I can totally understand why Brandi had to upload a Youtube video a few days ago apologising in advance for these episodes because bloomin' 'eck, she did come across terribly.

She arrived on this show and was a breath of fresh air compared to the ladies who just seemed too snooty and a tad up themselves. Now she just seems to be intentionally saying rude things, no longer as a defense, but as an out-and-out attack. I did find it strange she, along with Yolanda would start little arguments then play victim around the table. Being rude to Joyce for no reason is pathetically childish.

I actually found myself siding with Kyle BLOODY Richards for the first time in 4 seasons!

Carlton is fast becoming the star of the show for me now. She's fantastic.

I have to say Kim Richards stole the show last night. Her Bo Derek throwback reference almost killed me! She is totally owning this season unlike the other petty mean girls.

The difference between the two limos was telling; one was having fun and laughing around while the other was talking about the host and throwing in catty comments about the others.

I find Carlton fascinating to watch but I'm over her mean girl behaviour with Kyle. Seriously, what was with the reaction to the other woman being nice in the store? The compliments may have been a bit OTT but so was her rude reaction, the faces and eyerolls- Ugh. LOL at Kyle cutting her off mid-sentence at the end again. Such bad timing.

The pool scene was awkward. From the women's persistence in getting Joyce in the pool to Carltons tacky F-you tattoo. Then Carlton once again had to pick a reason to go for Kyle. Carlton needs to learn the definition of peer pressure because that's what it was. Her reaction was so embarrassingly unjustified, it was like Kyle had just confessed to murder - but then Brandi's racist remark was ok to her. Brandi's 'black' remark was just, wow - who says that? You can tell Joyce is sweet and not a drama queen because could you imagine if this happened to someone else, even on another show, if it was NJ or ATL her ass woulda been dragged out by her weave.

The dinner party was hilarious because half the table looked petty and hypocritical as hell. Brandi was a complete mean girl at that table and Lisa was no better with her cackle laugh - just because says "you can't say that darling" doesn't make her actions any better. She's clearly supporting her behaviour. Then Yolanda was Yolanda i.e. a hypocrite and was speaking out from both sides of her mouth. One minute it's Joyce's night and she should take the lead and control and then she's to shutup and listen. I'm so glad Kyle called them all out and stuck up for Joyce, as did Kim. Kyle handled Yolanda well and summed her up perfectly with the whole when people can speak debacle. I love that Kyle isn't backing down this season. Lisa was ridiculous with saying it's not teams, her own fans admit there's teams! Then she tried to jump in on Joyce but was quickly shut down by Kim. Kim had a real moment of clarity, as she does now and again, where she said the situation of how it actually was rather than from a bias side. I'm glad that she didn't let Lisa hush her up and be condescending. She owned Lisa and made her look a fool which is why Lisa tried to brush it under the carpet and move on promptly. Has anyone been reading the blogs? Lisa is doing some serious backpedaling but I doubt that'd be the case if her and B were still friends. Adrienne must be loving this.

I'm loving this season so far. Although it has been too catty at times Kim has been a saving grace in bringing the comedy, "ooooooooooooooohhhhhmmmm" LOL. There have been some lovely scene's like Yolanda and her daughters, Kyle & Joyce's spa day and Kim's daughters graduation. I hope we see more of them.

I don't get the hate for Joyce, she seems so sweet. Can anyone enlighten me?

Next week looks good. Looks like Brandi goes off the deep end again.

I've actually always thought Yolanda was alright and that she would be the type who when they thought someone was in the wrong... even a friend... she would tell them. That opinion has changed totally.

She is so one sided it's unbelievable. More so than Lisa who you need to actually have a pop at before she decides to defend and encourage everyone who attacks you whether they're in the right or not.

Carlton is almost as bad. She harping on about how pathetic that Joyce is playing the race card. This is the woman who acts like somebody's just pissed up her leg the minute someone dares to comment on her 'religion'.

I agree. I'm not sure what Carltons problem is. Kyle was being inquisitive, taking an interest (she clearly took on board what Yolanda said about her not trying to get to know her and I respect that) and trying to get to know her and form a friendship. It's ridiculous. At the beginning of last season I defended Yolanda and liked her but then she went for Adrienne without knowing her and she just got worse and worse.

I'm a little frustrated with Kim, she never defended Kyle at Carltons (or it wasn't shown) and she never defended her in the last episode but good for her for defending Joyce and herself!I hope she defends Kyle soon. In season 1 + 2 I didn't like Kyle until she defended Kim at game night, I got a lot of respect for her then.

I may have spoken a little too soon about being bored with the housewives as I loved the latest episode of Beverly Hills.
Carlton and her facial expressions are hilarious. She's definitely my favourite out of the two new women, although I am liking Joyce/Jaqueline more than when the season started.
I don't get the hate for Lisa, so she laughed at Brandi saying that when she thinks of the name Joyce she thinks of a big fat pig. It was Brandi who said it!
Brandi needs to check herself into rehab presto pronto, she is making a bigger fool of herself than normal and I used to like her. Next weeks show looks interesting too.

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I don't get the hate for Lisa, so she laughed at Brandi saying that when she thinks of the name Joyce she thinks of a big fat pig. It was Brandi who said it!
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I just don't like Lisa. She's so machiavellian it's unreal. Everything seems so calculated and inauthentic.

No one's disputing the fact that it was Brandi that said it. Lisa encouraged her obnoxious behaviour with her laughing and her phony "you can't say that darling" all the while she's lapping it up. Then she went to go at Joyce before the Richards stepped in to level out the playing field and shut her up. Not to mention how condescending she is to Kim, everytime Kim opens her mouth she tries to hush her up and shut her down and I, for one, cannot wait until Kim lets her have it.

Lisa encouraged her obnoxious behaviour with her laughing and her phony "you can't say that darling" all the while she's lapping it up. Then she went to go at Joyce before the Richards stepped in to level out the playing field and shut her up.

Guess we watched a different episode, as all I saw was Lisa laughing at Brandi's comment. Of course the Lisa haters always have to make her out to be the one orchestrating the whole thing rather than blaming the person who actually said it who was off her face!

So basically doing exactly what Lisa does?

Instead of blaming the person who was off her face and saying these things, the ONLY time she decided to reprimand someone was when the target was expressing her discomfort. Happy to blame Joyce but not Brandi!

Same as how disgusted she was Adrienne dared to suggest she sold stories, not quite so disgusted... quite supportive actually... when Brandi lied about being sued by Adrienne.

Same as how she's gone to extreme lengths to prevent all rumours about Ken's affairs from making the show. Quite happy to talk about the rumours surrounding Mauricio.

No. We have different perspectives which is ok. Ugh, drop the 'haters' bs. I dislike her, I'm not a 'hater'. Why would I blame Brandi for the whole thing? Brandi was responsible for her behaviour, Lisa & Yolanda were responsible for encouraging it. Lisa was responsible for being rude to Kim, why would I blame Brandi for that?

Actually, the idea of Lisa orchestrating things probably isn't that far from the truth. Every cast member, past and present including friends, have all alluded to the same thing. Everyone can't be wrong.

RHONY - Sort of update. Came across an article which suggested Jill and Ramona had a run -in at a wedding. Jill fell in a pool (she tweeted that Ramona pushed her in) and hence there is suspicions she has retaliated and put out that Mario cheated.

If this is true, then this is why Jill needs to get back on RHONY. She is missed.

WOW, Lisa Vanderpump really does provoke quite a reaction with some people doesn't she

Jill's very much missed from New York. I can't see them ever having her back though, I get the impression that Andy Cohen isn't her biggest fan.

This. On the whole NY s5 was just boring until Aviva went crazy then it ended on a "meh".

RH is now going downhill, ATL has turned into a bit of a yawn fest.

BH- I think this might be the last season and it is good so far. It is quite clear Lisa is going to go and Richards Sister might leave. If they leave what is there?

OC- it is getting better and better.

Miami- people need to give this chance, it is quite good. Ratings say so otherwise.

NJ- hopefully s6 gets better. S5 was boring and was same old same old.

I agree about NY. The reunion for S5 was excruciating to watch. I was so bored. Except from when Heather told Sonja she wouldn't know hard work if it bit her in ass - it was hysterical.

Sadly, I agree about BH. I feel like the Richards are checking out. There's just an odd aura around this season that makes me feel it's the last season and I don't why. It's still getting good ratings, they've been higher than the premier episode. Andy also said there is no plans to cancel it whatsoever.

OC - it varies for me. Each season has a good few episodes then a bad then some good again. It's not consistent at all. It would benefit from a shorter season no doubt.

NJ - I'm over it. I can't even see the new housewives or Dullna Manzo bringing this back. Last season was unwatchable. The only bits I enjoyed where Joe Gorga getting his ass handed to him and Jac and Tre being friends.

ATL - I'm loving this season. Except that the women are rarely ever together in a big group. I have a feeling that their personal storylines are going to be dragged out too long by the end of the season though.

Its a shame Beverly hills is not doing good but i think with most of the franchises its no longer about the fun the ladies have its about the fights and bitching. Also I think the edits to make a person look worse then they are doesn't help.

I think within a few years the only strong franchise is Atlanta in terms of number but i think even this season of atl is quite boring.

No more than any of the others.

Those are just facets of her behavior she has expressed on screen to me (in the same way I've commented in the past on lots of housewives). To be honest what creates more of a reaction are the 'haters' comments. It smacks of 'I have no comment so I'll try and hint at non-existent agendas and if I say them enough hope they'll stick'. I suppose those Housewives have taught us well.

If you think Lisa has done no wrong... fine! If someone feels different then honestly the 'you're just a hater' digs are baseless and petty.

I've never called YOU a hater, so get off your soapbox luv and no, I don't think she has done any wrong. Is she a bitch at times? Totally. So?

Totally in agreement with you brumilad.