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Old 28-12-2013, 17:31
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Carlton and her vulgarity grates on me to be honest. This sex-room scene last episode was just so uncalled for.

It also irritates me how she repeatedly says that she doesn't like drama and doesn't want to be a part of it. Then don't bloody join a housewives show or a show on Bravo at all.
I agree entirely. It was really tacky and not Beverly Hills at all.

She starts a lot of the drama too or at least chimes in to keep it going. She constantly tries to start it with Kyle for whatever reason she can think of.

On a side not, why doe Daisiesfan say 'inactive member' next to it? Has he/she been banned or quit?
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Old 28-12-2013, 17:36
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Reading this in respect of BH- makes me look forward to the reunion. The Idea that will take place in some time in April- are they really stretching BH that far?

Vancouver update- we will find out by January if it is axed or if there is a new season. I liked Vancouver s1 but s2 Jody kinda got crazy. I do like Jody though
In April? Is it not the end of february/march they film it? It will most like be the same time as last year which was around then. However, a few weeks ago I was reading that Lisa didn't want to go to the reunion and it was being filmed in January as they are all really hostile so it'll be extra heated(a rumour but could be true).

I liked Vancouver - let's ditch Mary and Jody. I don't like either. The three new girls, Ronnie, bring back Christina and/or Rieko and add another newbie. I just want more Ioulia!
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Old 28-12-2013, 17:40
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In April? Is it not the end of february/march they film it? It will most like be the same time as last year which was around then. However, a few weeks ago I was reading that Lisa didn't want to go to the reunion and it was being filmed in January as they are all really hostile so it'll be extra heated(a rumour but could be true).

I liked Vancouver - let's ditch Mary and Jody. I don't like either. The three new girls, Ronnie, bring back Christina and/or Rieko and add another newbie. I just want more Ioulia!
Thought someone mentioned April here and I thought it was too long. If it ends around Feb/March time we'll see. I like Kyle more now on s4 as I can see throughout all of BH, she actually been telling the truth and can read people's character.

Vancouver- true. I wanted Ioulia, texan girl, Ronnie and three more people.
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Old 28-12-2013, 19:34
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Thought someone mentioned April here and I thought it was too long. If it ends around Feb/March time we'll see. I like Kyle more now on s4 as I can see throughout all of BH, she actually been telling the truth and can read people's character.

Vancouver- true. I wanted Ioulia, texan girl, Ronnie and three more people.
Kyle started to win me over during season 2. When half the cast were trying to rip Adrienne a new one, she didn't.

It's funny because I liked Faye (I know ) and Adrienne even though most didn't and now they're gone a lot of what they said is now being shown to be true or the ones that were denying what they said are turning on the others and saying it's true. (i.e. Lisa and Brandi turning on each other)

Vancouver - that could work. I'm not fussed over Amanda but part of me would like to see her without Jody's influence.
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Old 28-12-2013, 21:23
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I do think Kyle suffers from spoilt youngest child and most popular girl at school syndrome. She can be extremely bitchy in her attempts to mark her territory especially to new people and is a total bossy little brat, especially to Kim. And she is a bit of a bully when trying to force her way.

However contrary to what Lisa says I think she is a very loyal friend and willing to put things aside. And her friendship does seem to be genuine. I do think the fact she seems to have maintained so many friendship despite differences speaks a lot.

Strangely enough when everyone loved Kyle and declaring how amazing Faye was and demanding she join the cast during season 1 I found them to be incredibly catty and sneery and understood completely why Camille and Alison were how they were to them. However during season 3 I found them very honorable in their support for Adrienne, even if Faye was a bit ott and vicious about it.
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Old 28-12-2013, 22:11
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Kyle started to win me over during season 2. When half the cast were trying to rip Adrienne a new one, she didn't.
I think out of everyone, Kyle tells it like it is and tells the truth. S2 when she said Lisa is a Chess Player. She got it right.
I miss Adrienne ( I did have a bit of a crush on her) but she is now on RHOM in the form of Marysol.

It's funny because I liked Faye (I know ) and Adrienne even though most didn't and now they're gone a lot of what they said is now being shown to be true or the ones that were denying what they said are turning on the others and saying it's true. (i.e. Lisa and Brandi turning on each other)
I liked Faye and she just went on an attack. It is true, Yolanda v Lisa...

Vancouver - that could work. I'm not fussed over Amanda but part of me would like to see her without Jody's influence.
I'd miss Jody - she did have good lines in s1 that made me laugh.

If it was to come back, Ioulia, Ronnie and Robin. Mary is just too weak, Jody crazy in s2 and Amanda was boring tbh.
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Old 28-12-2013, 22:34
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I do think Kyle suffers from spoilt youngest child and most popular girl at school syndrome. She can be extremely bitchy in her attempts to mark her territory especially to new people and is a total bossy little brat, especially to Kim. And she is a bit of a bully when trying to force her way.

However contrary to what Lisa says I think she is a very loyal friend and willing to put things aside. And her friendship does seem to be genuine. I do think the fact she seems to have maintained so many friendship despite differences speaks a lot.

Strangely enough when everyone loved Kyle and declaring how amazing Faye was and demanding she join the cast during season 1 I found them to be incredibly catty and sneery and understood completely why Camille and Alison were how they were to them. However during season 3 I found them very honorable in their support for Adrienne, even if Faye was a bit ott and vicious about it.
I agree. I wouldn't say Kyle was a bully, just forceful and strong minded - other than season 1 when she bullied Kim that was. It really grated on me during season 1 when always blamed Kim for starting the fights when it was really never her.

Kyle, Camille & Faye were all supportive of Adrienne to an honorable degree during that season. It speaks volumes that all the original cast are still friendly other than Lisa. The only thing that annoyed me with Kyle during season 3 was when Yolanda and Brandi were starting stuff with Marisa she wouldn't go over (even though it she was her longtime friend) and Faye went herself so that Marisa didn't stand alone- which even Camille was supportive of. Then later she never defended Faye to Lisa/Brandi/Yo when Faye has had her back the past 3 seasons.

Regarding the 'Dinner Party From Hell' I think they were all equally to blame. The four of them stirred and instigated one another. The only fully innocent person at that table was Adrienne. She sat and said nothing the entire night.

I think out of everyone, Kyle tells it like it is and tells the truth. S2 when she said Lisa is a Chess Player. She got it right.
I miss Adrienne ( I did have a bit of a crush on her) but she is now on RHOM in the form of Marysol.


I liked Faye and she just went on an attack. It is true, Yolanda v Lisa...



I'd miss Jody - she did have good lines in s1 that made me laugh.

If it was to come back, Ioulia, Ronnie and Robin. Mary is just too weak, Jody crazy in s2 and Amanda was boring tbh.
I agree. Kyle does. She backs down too quick sometimes though. She'll say something then leave it rather than reinforce her opinion in a debate/argument.

Oh dear god. I used to love Marysol but after things Ana has said about her and that stunt at the reunion - using her sick father - I was so disgusted with her.

I used to love when Faye was sticking it to Brandi. Everyone else was too afraid and Faye would just come, unleash and leave.

Vancouver - Jody couldn't come back she turns off the viewers too much but I agree about Mary being too weak. I want Ronnie back but I'm sure the last we seen she was on the verge of a breakdown.
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Old 28-12-2013, 22:44
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Next season it's definitely between Porsha, Phaedra & Kenya to get the boot. I like kenya but you can't be on a show about a group if you aren't in the group.
Kenya won't be going anywhere they only started paying her 600k and even though the others exclude her she tries her best to cause drama anyway. Phaedra and Kandi are too much of a pair for my liking and for that reason they should be split, preferably with Phaedra and her ridiculous convict husband going.

They actually need Kenya to find a friend to bring into the show because the whole World vs. Kenya is tiresome but not necessarily her fault.

I kind wish they'd bring Marlo back, I for one don't care if she was a hooker in the past which is what the internet claimed the reason was for her exclusion as a main cast member.
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Old 29-12-2013, 01:35
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You may get your wish... Marlo is supposedly coming back.

The whole stuff about Kenya's big pay raise was rubbished by Andy Cohen. Accounts say that the show was actually concerned about the lack of storyline for Kenya hence Marlo being asked back to the show for the second half of the season as Kenya's 'friend' in order to whip up the Kenya trying to take Nene's spotlight drama. However Marlo may have stolen Kenya's spotlight and whipped up the Nene drama for herself.
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Old 29-12-2013, 12:38
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You may get your wish... Marlo is supposedly coming back.

The whole stuff about Kenya's big pay raise was rubbished by Andy Cohen. Accounts say that the show was actually concerned about the lack of storyline for Kenya hence Marlo being asked back to the show for the second half of the season as Kenya's 'friend' in order to whip up the Kenya trying to take Nene's spotlight drama. However Marlo may have stolen Kenya's spotlight and whipped up the Nene drama for herself.
I read on Twitter that Marlo would be back on screen in 3 weeks time. Shame as I really can't stand her.
I thought the Real Housewives Of Vancouver had been axed? The only way I would ever watch that again was if Jody was not involved. Really dislike her and her daughter.
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Old 29-12-2013, 15:27
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Kenya won't be going anywhere they only started paying her 600k and even though the others exclude her she tries her best to cause drama anyway. Phaedra and Kandi are too much of a pair for my liking and for that reason they should be split, preferably with Phaedra and her ridiculous convict husband going.

They actually need Kenya to find a friend to bring into the show because the whole World vs. Kenya is tiresome but not necessarily her fault.

I kind wish they'd bring Marlo back, I for one don't care if she was a hooker in the past which is what the internet claimed the reason was for her exclusion as a main cast member.
If that's the way you see it then surely Nene & Cynthia need to be split? They're just as much, if not more, a pair than Phaedra and Kandi.

They aren't paying Kenya 600K. That's a ridiculous rumour started by Kenya's camp to make her seem bigger than she is. Especially when that'd make her the 2nd/3rd highest paid across all HW shows - infact on level with Teresa Giudice - and that definitely isn't the case. There's a lot of hate for Kenya this season that I don't know if they'd want her back even if she does bring drama. If Marlo or Kim Z (as rumours suggest) returns then Kenya isn't needed at all. Kenya's in a difficult position where she is trying to start drama but the others aren't rising to it. (Nene walking away, for example)

I think it is her fault because during her first season she had friends and then decided to burn bridges with every cast member during the season. Everyone knows you shouldn't fight with every cast member during the 1 season because next season they won't wanna film with you or include you.

None of the Atlanta girls are with each other much this season.

Next season (I know this one's just started but it's lackluster at times)I want Nene, Phaedra(without Apollo), Kandi, Cynthia & Kenya to stay. Porsha out because she's too young and annoying. Bring back Kim Z (full time) and Sheree & Marlo (as friends).

Marlo wasn't asked back because at the time she got a Faye Resnick reaction. I don't think it had anything to do with her past.
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Old 29-12-2013, 15:30
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I read on Twitter that Marlo would be back on screen in 3 weeks time. Shame as I really can't stand her.
I thought the Real Housewives Of Vancouver had been axed? The only way I would ever watch that again was if Jody was not involved. Really dislike her and her daughter.
It was just put on hold. Apparently, the new head of Slice (channel) wanted to bring more 'classy' programmes and take out trash TV like this. (Although I suspect it had more to do with the fact numerous cast members were having breakdowns at the time)
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Old 29-12-2013, 15:52
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It was just put on hold. Apparently, the new head of Slice (channel) wanted to bring more 'classy' programmes and take out trash TV like this. (Although I suspect it had more to do with the fact numerous cast members were having breakdowns at the time)
Ah, ok. I would definitely watch it if they got the cast right, as I loved season 1, but season 2 was a pure mess.
I would love for Kim Z to come back to Atlanta next year. Last season I didn't really miss her when she left, as there was so much going on with Gone With The Wind Cray Cray, however this season she is sorely missed.
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Old 29-12-2013, 16:20
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I agree. Kyle does. She backs down too quick sometimes though. She'll say something then leave it rather than reinforce her opinion in a debate/argument.
This. That's is the one thing that annoys, she backs down and makes out nothing happened especially when she drop little bombshells.

Oh dear god. I used to love Marysol but after things Ana has said about her and that stunt at the reunion - using her sick father - I was so disgusted with her.
True, I like RHOM s3 reunion and have yet to see any other RH franchise beat it. For some reason, the Miami girls do well in reunions and bring it.


I used to love when Faye was sticking it to Brandi. Everyone else was too afraid and Faye would just come, unleash and leave.
I like that. She was great.

Vancouver - Jody couldn't come back she turns off the viewers too much but I agree about Mary being too weak. I want Ronnie back but I'm sure the last we seen she was on the verge of a breakdown.
True. Jody did have great one liners and sarky comments. Mary was too weak and it was annoying.
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Old 29-12-2013, 16:33
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True, I like RHOM s3 reunion and have yet to see any other RH franchise beat it. For some reason, the Miami girls do well in reunions and bring it.

I disagree. I preferred their season 2 reunion. I think Atlanta season 4 + 5 reunions were better as well as New Jersey season 4 - that was the most intense yet and I loved how Tre held her own against the other 4 women.

I did like the backstage shots of Miami season 3 one though. I hope that's incorporated into other franchises too. One thing that annoys me about the Miami one is that they make up during the season and then fall out over the same bs at the reunion, it's like it's a waste of time watching them make up because they never leave it buried. Also, LOL at Lea claiming a reunion can be a positive platform.
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Old 29-12-2013, 16:43
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I disagree. I preferred their season 2 reunion. I think Atlanta season 4 + 5 reunions were better as well as New Jersey season 4 - that was the most intense yet and I loved how Tre held her own against the other 4 women.

I did like the backstage shots of Miami season 3 one though. I hope that's incorporated into other franchises too. One thing that annoys me about the Miami one is that they make up during the season and then fall out over the same bs at the reunion, it's like it's a waste of time watching them make up because they never leave it buried. Also, LOL at Lea claiming a reunion can be a positive platform.
I like Atl s4 and NJ s4 reunions. I thought s3 Miami reunion was the better one seeing as though really it all of them again Joanna, accusations of drug use, prostitution, I feel they edited that reunion heavily...
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Old 29-12-2013, 17:23
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If that's the way you see it then surely Nene & Cynthia need to be split? They're just as much, if not more, a pair than Phaedra and Kandi.

They aren't paying Kenya 600K. That's a ridiculous rumour started by Kenya's camp to make her seem bigger than she is. Especially when that'd make her the 2nd/3rd highest paid across all HW shows - infact on level with Teresa Giudice - and that definitely isn't the case. There's a lot of hate for Kenya this season that I don't know if they'd want her back even if she does bring drama. If Marlo or Kim Z (as rumours suggest) returns then Kenya isn't needed at all. Kenya's in a difficult position where she is trying to start drama but the others aren't rising to it. (Nene walking away, for example)

I think it is her fault because during her first season she had friends and then decided to burn bridges with every cast member during the season. Everyone knows you shouldn't fight with every cast member during the 1 season because next season they won't wanna film with you or include you.

Next season (I know this one's just started but it's lackluster at times)I want Nene, Phaedra(without Apollo), Kandi, Cynthia & Kenya to stay. Porsha out because she's too young and annoying. Bring back Kim Z (full time) and Sheree & Marlo (as friends).

Because Cynthia doesn't get involved in any drama herself it doesn't bother me so much and she is there as a shoulder for the other cast members too whereas Kandi and Phaedra are only there for each other.

I'm not keen on Kim returning while she was good on the show I don't think I'd want her back, Sheree yes that would be interesting.

If Kenya hadn't done her drama last season it would have been a total snooze. In fact this season since Kenya has been ostracised we have to rely on Mama Joyce for drama and this new friend of Nene's. That's why they need to get Kenya an ally and replace Porsha I guess then we'd have 3 pairs on the show.

What I don't get is how Nene hates Phaedra in reality if reports are to be believed but on the show we get very little conflict between those 2 directly but Kenya is the bad guy on the show.
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Old 29-12-2013, 19:59
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WAIT! Vancouver might be coming back!!!??????? I thought it was confirmed as axed?
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Old 29-12-2013, 20:07
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Because Cynthia doesn't get involved in any drama herself it doesn't bother me so much and she is there as a shoulder for the other cast members too whereas Kandi and Phaedra are only there for each other.

I'm not keen on Kim returning while she was good on the show I don't think I'd want her back, Sheree yes that would be interesting.

If Kenya hadn't done her drama last season it would have been a total snooze. In fact this season since Kenya has been ostracised we have to rely on Mama Joyce for drama and this new friend of Nene's. That's why they need to get Kenya an ally and replace Porsha I guess then we'd have 3 pairs on the show.

What I don't get is how Nene hates Phaedra in reality if reports are to be believed but on the show we get very little conflict between those 2 directly but Kenya is the bad guy on the show.
Kandi and Phaedra don't really get involved in each others fights so I don't see how they are any worse/better than Cynthia and Nene. Cynthia isn't there for the whole cast. She has made it very clear she isn't a fan of Phaedra or Kenya and she wasn't a fan of Kim Z or Sheree when they were there either. She likes whoever Nene likes and it's been that way for quite a few seasons now.

I want Kim back. I agree with Dasiesfan - I didn't miss her last season but now I do. Maybe with a season off she'd come back with a more positive attitude and be more willing to participate in the group. I feel like last season at the start she was kind of the lone ranger as there was Kandi & Phaedra, Nene & Cynthia and Kenya was just new and Kim lost her wing-girl, Sheree. I would love Sheree to come back just to see Nene's reaction.

I agree Kenya made last season with her drama but having drama with every cast member wasn't a good move and it's coming back on her and the viewers now. Everything with Mama Joyce seems staged, I don't know if it's her high-pitched voice or OTT reactions or what.

Nene hates everyone that dares to speak out against her. She completely lied throughout last reunion talking about her sisters - her sister went on to set the record straight. She still isn't letting go of the talls/smalls bs. I think the reason she won't go against Phaedra OR Kandi directly is because she will come off looking a giant ass. Especially, if Phaedra starts hitting her with the zingers that she comes out with because Phaedra can come out with them on the spot whereas Nene usually has to wait to have a think and say it in her TH. I couldn't really imagine Nene going crazy at them and looking good to the viewers either. I can't wait for Nene vs Kenya at the reunion because neither will back down.
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Old 29-12-2013, 20:53
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If that's the way you see it then surely Nene & Cynthia need to be split? They're just as much, if not more, a pair than Phaedra and Kandi.

They aren't paying Kenya 600K. That's a ridiculous rumour started by Kenya's camp to make her seem bigger than she is. Especially when that'd make her the 2nd/3rd highest paid across all HW shows - infact on level with Teresa Giudice - and that definitely isn't the case. There's a lot of hate for Kenya this season that I don't know if they'd want her back even if she does bring drama. If Marlo or Kim Z (as rumours suggest) returns then Kenya isn't needed at all. Kenya's in a difficult position where she is trying to start drama but the others aren't rising to it. (Nene walking away, for example)

I think it is her fault because during her first season she had friends and then decided to burn bridges with every cast member during the season. Everyone knows you shouldn't fight with every cast member during the 1 season because next season they won't wanna film with you or include you.

None of the Atlanta girls are with each other much this season.

Next season (I know this one's just started but it's lackluster at times)I want Nene, Phaedra(without Apollo), Kandi, Cynthia & Kenya to stay. Porsha out because she's too young and annoying. Bring back Kim Z (full time) and Sheree & Marlo (as friends).

Marlo wasn't asked back because at the time she got a Faye Resnick reaction. I don't think it had anything to do with her past.
I want Kim Z back Full time to! I always did like Kim even n her crazy early Big Papa phase and I miss the Wigs the reason why Kim left in s5 was because imo she could not handle the drama while she was pregnant and she was just settling down with Kroy to.

I would also like to see Sheree back but i think NeNe would hate it and producers know it but Im kind of getting tiered of NeNe now i think she has been slacking the past 2 seasons now and has lost her title for the IT girl of ATL. That and she has got way to big for her boots she goes on like she is some big A-Lister when she aint her role in Glee is small, her own TV show flopped and got cancelled so she won't be moving to HollyWood anytime soon.

Bring Kim and Sheree back!!
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Old 29-12-2013, 22:25
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I reckon the Mama Joyce stuff is staged too to give Kandi a drama storyline since there used to be rumours of her being axed but without it we wouldn't have much this season so I'm happy enough although she did break down on WWHL with Andy and people who watched it told me it seemed like real tears.

Nene at the supermarket was unbearable when walking around with Cynthia acting like she doesn't shop anymore cause she is so "big". Seriously 2 bit parts on TV doesn't make you Meryl Streep.
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Old 29-12-2013, 22:47
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To be honest I think Atlanta is doing fine without Kim and Sheree. I enjoyed last season and am enjoying this season.

To be honest I don't hold much with the 'bring so and so back' ideas with any of these shows. I'm a keep it fresh and move it forward kinda guy.
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Old 29-12-2013, 23:09
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I don't want Kim Z or Sheree back on RHOA... I'd like to see Porsha, Kenya and NeNe gone next season although I know that is just wishful thinking as there's almost no way Andy would axe NeNe.

Kenya just bores me, she did last season and she does even more so this season. Twerking on random objects in her house and making up stupid songs with her assistant is in no way funny or entertaining.

As for Porsha she's just stupid beyond belief... The whole thing with the underground railroad was just embarrassing, especially given who her grandfather is. Her being babied by her mum and shopping in shoe shops that she can't afford to be in is not remotely entertaining to watch either.

If they did get rid of Kenya & Porsha I'd replace them with NeNe's friend Mynique and I say that they should make Miss Lawrence a full-time housewife.

In an ideal world Phaedra and Kandi would get their own spin-off show together, I love them both and I could watch their escapades all day long.
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Old 29-12-2013, 23:31
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Phaedra in any spin off would be excruciating I don't find her husband or her various odd career paths entertaining at all. All her self-righteous-ness really bugs me, even before Kenya arrived and became my number 1 girl I couldn't stand Phaedra.
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Old 29-12-2013, 23:52
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To be honest I think Atlanta is doing fine without Kim and Sheree. I enjoyed last season and am enjoying this season.

To be honest I don't hold much with the 'bring so and so back' ideas with any of these shows. I'm a keep it fresh and move it forward kinda guy.
Ok...how's that working out for you? The likes of Porsha, the newbies on NY, Lydia on OC - hardly riveting entertainment. The problem is that very few rich women want to be on the show because of the trashy reputation it has now making it harder to cast good replacements on the show.

I'm all for bringing people back as they have ties to the cast rather than randoms off of the street that want their 15 mins. I can't stand when they come and pretend to know each other when it's evident they don't.

I'm with PrincessTT on giving Nene the axe. I'm over her narcissistic attitude. However, it's not going to happen because she is a draw for viewers and Andy loves her. Why do you want Mynique? We've seen one episode and in that she got walked all over by everyone, not exactly a good look. She could improve though so I'm holding out before definitely giving her the red card.

I'm 50/50 on Kenya. I can't be bothered with her fake bs though. I think her twerking and singing is quite comical - give me that over Apollo, Nene, Peter & Porsha anyday.

I think what this season of Atlanta is missing is a rivalry. Every good housewives season has a rivalry.
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