Sonja's already started filming for season 22 of RHONY!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ87sgmZLds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpNKFq3L900

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZCoq1QN-_M

I think the violence clause came after couples night. That got a huge backlash from fans, bloggers and new sites.

The line up does sound quite boring. Especially, Lisa Wu. She only got a second season because they were bringing in her friend Kandi but it still didn't make her interesting. I'm not here for a crossover from M2M either. I like when the housewives get along but I'm not here for 20 episodes of daisy chain making either, I want some drama. People over exaggerate the arguments and how bad they actually are. They also say low and shady things because they know that's what they're paid for and the recipients of their barbs know this too.

I agree Deadly about Ramona. She's been a bit weird this past episode, most notable in her conversation with Heather - awkward. The stories did say she knew throughout filming that Mario was cheating and she held off the divorce to avoid cameras. I wonder if she found out or got a hint of it in Africa. I like Kristen but she's starting to stick her nose in and I'm not here for that - don't be surprised to get attacked for having an unwanted opinion, it's HW's after all. Carole annoyed me too when she wouldn't let Aviva talk, Aviva actually seemed like she had wanted to move on.

OC ratings are up this week to 1.84!

Anyone else see about Lindsay Lohan telling Andy to get her mom and Jill Zarin on the show?

Love her or hate her, Jill would bring so much back to the show. I happen to love her. I've not watched NY other than the first episode so I don't know what's been going on.

It's only my opinion and I don't expect everyone to agree but I liked Lisa...

I agree that they all say low & shady things and that they can't get along all the time, it's only natural for people to argue... However to me Kenya and Nene take it too far, they don't say low and shady things in the midst of an argument, they go out of their way to be unnecessarily mean & nasty for no good reason.

They're both bullies in my opinion and I don't want to see it on my screen.

Also regarding the non-violence thing... Andy has said that the Porsha/Kenya incident grossed him out and Bravo are saying that they don't condone violence. Yet they still aired the incident, if they were that against violence they could have edited it out.

Not only did they show the incident they used it in the promos to try and attract viewers. Because violence is disgusting except for when it boosts ratings right?!

And they showed the pillow talk footage to death... For a channel that hates violence they sure do like to use it to their advantage.

I did! Even Lilo wants her back...well Jill told her to say it but Andy actually seemed open to the idea, he didn't shut it down like usual. Jill was trending on Twitter all night and most of the next day. Something Bravo will most likely be taking notice of since RHONY hasn't trended since the premiere.


I've been watching but I don't care for it like I used to.

When have Kenya and Nene went out of their way more than the others?

Phaedra is every bit as guilty for doing the same as them in her TH's - if anything, she has been the dirties at the reunion with her remarks to Kenya.

Porsha was no shrinking violet either being vulgar about Kenya's vajayjay, insulting her age, accusing her of fake boyfriends, of trying to buy people and then trying to meddle in her friendship with D'Banj claiming his mother called her friend. Kenya called her a dumb hoe & accused her of cheating on her ex husband. Yet it was Kenya that was mean and nasty...

They're all as bad as each other, with exception of Kandi & Cynthia.

I hate when people call HW's bullies, it really does trivialise the issue of bullying. That word gets banded around far too much. They're women on a show that get paid to rip each other apart. They all know what they're getting when they sign on the dotted line.

LOL Brumilad!

I think what grossed him out is that unlike 90% of Bravo fights it wasn't the Vanderpump Rules hunks getting their bare chests out... it was Cynthia.

If they were so adverse to violence the only cast member left on Vanderpump Rules would be Lisa.

To be fair, I think Nene has had a story on the show with her divorce and life as a single woman which then turned into her achieving success and then her eventual remarriage. I'd be sad to see Nene go just because she's the last remaining original Housewife and also as shady as she is - she is incredibly witty. Kenya, while she is entertaining has no story beyond what she forces down our throats, the IVF doesn't feel genuine, her lovelife has never been genuine, the only thing she does is recycle her bad childhood and stir the pot for camera time.

Porsha's had two seasons and if she's gotta go, I'm not too bothered either way, although I was looking forward to her coming out her shell a bit more. I still think she grew in a sense and I was actually really pleased to hear that she didn't want any of her husband's money in the end. I know it's an entertainment show but it is Real Housewives, Kenya is neither real nor a Housewife, she's just a kept woman claiming to be all these things she isn't.

Speaking of the Reunion Show, the viewers comments have been especially good this year!

To me they're worse because they go after everyone even if there is no reason to...

I don't think Kenya is a bully because of anything she's said about Phaedra.. They've both been as bad as each-other and it was a fall-out which resulted from a potential business deal going bad.

Similar with Kenya & Porsha, they didn't get on from the moment they met and they've both been taking swipes at each-other ever since.

Kenya making weight jibes about Kandi at every opportunity - mean & nasty.

Kenya chasing Nene down (after Nene walked away to avoid a confrontation) and pulling on her ear - mean & nasty.

Nene trying to dictate who her friends can be friends with and cutting them off (then trying to get them fired) if they don't do as she says IS a bullying move in my book.

Nene making weight jibes about Kandi - mean & nasty.

Nene calling Peter a bitch - mean & nasty.

Nene's whole attitude at Kenya's charity event - mean & nasty.

Nene's divorce and remarriage was an genuine as Kenya's lovelife... Nene and Greg divorced and remarried so that her assets wouldn't be included in Greg's bankruptcy filings.

And yes Nene has had stories on the show and she used to be very witty, but this season the come-down from her success has turned her bitter & nasty.

The Kandi weight jibes were the only thing I agree were mean and nasty. The rest is just rudeness, childish, ignorant or all of them.

I agree about Kenya's IVF thing being boring. She needs to start a business venture or something to keep her entertaining...maybe she can have her own modeling agency, or Bar Moore. LOL.

BIB- yeah right, I love how they played it off on the show like she grew and wanted nothing, a judge ruled she was getting nothing and was due nothing. It was in the press when it happened before it aired on the show. She had wanted alimony or the home and a pay off...and ended up with her car. I always thought they had a strange relationship when it came to finances when he gave her money for her birthday - that was a bit strange imo. I'll miss Porsha if she goes but I don't see what's left for her.

Rude & ignorant isn't much better than mean & nasty

It will be interesting to see Kenya on celebrity apprentice, from what I've read she's been rubbing people up the wrong way with her antics on there.

I do also take issue with the fact that Kenya doesn't live in Atlanta or have any business in Atlanta... She lives in LA and flies into ATL to film the show then flies back to LA once filming is done, the fact that she doesn't have a "life" as such in Atlanta means that she doesn't have the scope for much of a storyline outside of being messy with her co-stars and twerking on her piano.

If she did have some business interests in Atlanta it would probably make her more watchable, it's just a shame that she seems to have no interest in setting any actual roots in ATL.

Totally agree... Porsha fought for money, hence why Kordell brought out the details about her mismanagement of money in the past and how she didn't keep up payments on her condo etc.

Can't remember if it was mentioned on here but Andy announced on WWHL that props are banned from reunion shows now.

I had no idea about that! Who needs an agent when you have Real Housewives doing all your PR work for you? They really made her look like a Saint for just deciding to walk away. I did like Porsha, she was funny and never came across as having an ego like some of the others, a part of me though felt like she was always too young for the show. I have no idea of her age, she might just be immature but her problem often is she's a young woman in a room full of women trying to pretend they're young women.

Also while we're talking about Marlo's no-show, what about the guy who Apollo 'attacked' at couples night? I wonder if they'll rope him in as Kenya's 'husband' for some more verbal brawling, although he could have been axed after Laurence was forced into Mexico when logically she would have taken her best friend?

And yeah Kenya needs a venture outside of family and her 'love life', I mean she was a 'big shot producer' for one episode, maybe two, but she's turning into the new Kim with all this kept woman status.

Actually that line gets bandied around too much to try and avoid when bullying happens.

And Kenya's behaviour is that of a bully. Plain and simple. There's nothing trivialized about it. She decided from day one she didn't like Porsha and has consistently and systematically gone for her. They had a big fall out at the beginning, 2 years ago!!! However every little move Porsha makes, anything that happens in her life Kenya finds an excuse to attack her on, deliberately finding the most negative stand point. And doing it with almost glee with little other intent to get one up and either wind Porsha up or make her feel bad.

I mean what has Porsha done to her this season really? In fact what has she done since the first half of last season? And yet Porsha is the one she singles out and excludes and attacks for no reason whatsoever. More than any other woman on the show even those she is having a current problem with.

Why is she going there with Porsha over karma for 'laughing' on the sofa last year and not Cynthia, Kandi and Nene who were all laughing just as loud? If not louder.

Because she knows Porsha is the weak link who wasn't/isn't established on the show and therefore she thinks she can get away with it. In the same way she deliberately singled out Cynthia at the beginning because she was the weakest character on the show while at the same time sucking up to all the others. In the same way she has singled out every supporting woman this season on the show to go in on (Mynique, Natalie etc) except for the more established stronger character of Marlo.

That's not to say Porsha is weak or a shrinking violet and can't dish it out but bullying isn't reserved to the meek and mild. Even the strongest person can be beat down by systematic behaviour of which bullying is. Of course it's much easier to do it to a weaker person and ultimately more damaging which is why bullying behaviour is usually associated with weak victims... but the fact is it isn't reserved for them.

And that's the difference. People don't like each other, people argue, people give a bit of shade, people trade insults, people have opinions on the behaviour of others but when the motivation is purely to single a person out and systematically attack, attack, attack in such a deliberate way then that falls into the category of bullying.

Nene is a different case. I think she is very bullish and intimidating and can be very stubborn and hateful to those she doesn't like or thinks have done her wrong but she doesn't pick targets and keep shooting.

In fact, Porsha was the one who really connected with Kenya on the Savannah trip. The opened up to each-other and had a nice moment over their desire to have children... Then out of nowhere Kenya switched and started on Porsha again at Mal's jewellery show thing.

And Porsha was the only one who kinda stood up for Kenya over the whole pillow talk debacle.

Yet for some reason this season Porsha has been as awful to her as Phaedra and Nene and deserves to be excluded.

Agree 100%, its ridiculous to say participants on these staged reality shows are bullied when all the girls have a team of people helping them get back at whoever they have beef with.

Also please Mynique wasn't attacked by Kenya and Natalie isn't Christopher WIlliams wife so Kenya was stating facts, also Kenya was actually standing up for Kandi after Natalie was suggesting Todd was an opportunist.

Kenya plays this show like chess and Porsha is a pawn so yes the pawns are the first ones to go for. Its why Kenya is reluctant to really go head first for Nene because she knows she isn't big enough to do it yet, this is where Brandi flopped on BH, she went for Lisa for no reason and way too soon. So Brandi went for Joyce as well which worked to some extent, whereas Kyle didn't initiate the Carlton drama she went for the kill once Carlton started on her, I mean not having Carlton on the trip was a dead giveaway Carlton's time on RHOBH was over.

So its hardly unusual for the weak links to get heat and in some cases it makes very boring women relevant.

But Kenya is always the bad guy. When Phaedra and Porsha dish out insults and accusations at her too.

Your point still stands but just for accuracy, Kenya was right in that Christopher Williams had claimed to be single in an interview but Natalie is actually his wife. Their marriage certificate was shown on quite a few sites after pillow talk, Natalie was telling the truth about when & where they got married, Kenya was telling the truth about Christopher claiming not to be married - it was that pathetic creature Christopher Williams who was in the wrong in that situation.

Mama Joyce has had her say on the reunion fight

http://theybf.com/2014/04/23/mama-jo...e-porsha-is-so

Christopher Williams is such a piece of trash, and Natalie is pathetic for hanging out of that weasel. Actually the majority of the Atlanta men are losers, except maybe Todd but the jury is still out on him, which is why its hilarious the make jibes that Kenya is single, I doubt she'd want a Grade A loser like Apollo or Peter.

Mama Joyce really wants a peach. How about she sticks to opening credit card accounts without Kandi's knowledge.

Plus Porsha ain't all that, if Kenya was jealous of Cynthia I'd get it but Porsha isn't as hot as people make out, I don't think Miss USA 1993 is threatened.

PrincessTT, you've made some good points about both Kenya and Nene which I totally agree with
and Bruilad, what you said about Kenya MTE

I would be happy if they got rid of Kenya because she does take things too far, she's very malicious and mean, to the point that it's not needed, RHOA survived 4 full seasons, with out her and it would still continue if she was to leave, Kenya just brings too much negative energy and I've grown tired of her antics and viewers will too eventually if she remains on the show any longer, she's done her cause. Also Its not very funny to watch people verbally bully someone in the name of entertainment, Kim, Sheree and Nene use to all argue with each other, it be amusing but it never was on the malicious level Kenya projects towards her cast mates for anything to lead to violence and certainly not on the reunion show,

She literally egged Porsha to attack her to try and get Porsha fired. When Porsha stood up, she didn't have to face of with her, if she didn't want to provoke some kind of reaction.

Regarding Nene, she does think highly about herself and doesn't have the best attitude but I think she's shown her good sides and bad sides on RHOA through out the years, in some ways Kenya makes Nene look good at times and that's saying something.

I only watch onitv2, does miami get any better? Im only on episode 2 so far but its the dullest show ive ever seen!

All the housewives blend into one, and none of them seem to have anything to offer.

I want the new jersey ones back!

Yes it does. About 5/6 episodes in it starts to get it's pace. I'd probably say that Adriana, Ana & Karent become the stand outs. It depends how much they cut out because there are a lot of big moments in the season but ITV2 will probably butcher them.

Like I said there's a difference between dishing out 'insults' and singling out one person and displaying deliberate and systematic behaviour towards them.

It doesn't matter how big a team you might have behind you or how big and strong you are that behaviour is not just reserved for the lonely and quiet

And bullys often use the 'facts' as an excuse to hide behind. So what if you're 'telling the truth' about a person. Why do you need to single them out specifically to expose those facts? What has constantly shouting 'you're not married' got to do with Natalie's comments about Todd? Nothing. The real opportunist is Kenya who when she's picked her target finds any stick to beat them with using any excuse she can.

And all this 'chess player' stuff. What does that even mean? Since when has the 'Real Housewives...' been The Hunger Games? It's a show about a group of women and their own stories and interactions. If it's all working they're given contracts the following season. What exactly has Porsha being on the show got to do with Kenya's survival? They barely crossed paths this year, had their own stories and generally had interactions with completely different women. So why is Kenya still singling out Porsha and acting towards her in a way she doesn't any of the others? This whole pawn and chess player thing just smacks of another excuse.

And to be honest I'd hope most women on the show have a ethical and moral compass that extends beyond 'securing my spot next season'.