Well thats the second time now they have wrapped filming for Manzo'd lol I read they had to re-shoot the whole thing because producers were not happy with the first cut. I think the show will debut well but fall dramatically I think Andy pulled in that favour for them because he loves that family. I dont see a demand for there own show either I think it could of worked better if they done between seasons 2 & 3 when they were still on the show. The fact they have not even got a release date yet says alot to.

One I wont be watching. Cant stand Caroline, I'm just happy she's out of NJ.

I didn't watch Tamra's or Kandi's weddings either. The only spin off I love is "Don't Be Tardy" It's great to leave the bickering and the tantrums behind and just laugh at Kim's antics.

I never thought I'd like Kim for the first 2 Seasons of Atlanta. I thought she was a gold digging bitch. But true love and loads of kids have changed her. Hopefully Kroy will be alright after his injuries. Kim has hired a housekeeper and a nanny (more like 4 nannies if she doesn't want to do any work )

Someone's got to pay for all her staff!!

Well yes maybe I am haughty and rude but the fact is I have never personally attacked anyone or singled anyone out like you are doing which is probably another form of rudeness. I find 'trial by twitter' (or internet forum) to be a deeply amoral behaviour so when people make bold statements about other people (regardless of whether they are on a television series or not) I think they should be expected to explain it to show they have considered their opinions as opposed to just joining the latest witch hunting mob. What makes this case particularly dark and disturbing is that people actually believe they can make bold allusions and suggestions about innocent people engaging in criminal behaviour as if they from their twitter accounts are better positioned than the actual legal system to cast this kind of thing out.

Like I say what is Phaedra hiding? You're the one saying it. So tell me what it is. It should be a pretty easy thing to answer.

I mean just throwing statements out pulled from allabouttrh is pretty boring. I want to hear the explanations and basis for the opinions people have formed. That's the interesting part.


Well I wasn't actually talking about you when discussing her clique, I was talking about Kenya and her team who say this stuff and put it out there in the media which then gets parroted on twitter and forums. And if something is said enough people start to believe and repeat in some huge wave of #teamwhatstheirface osmosis. And when you answer 'well a lot of other people have said it' without actually explaining how you formed your own opinion based on what you have seen or interpreted it kinda doesn't do much to dissuade that notion.

And I think that behaviour is as big an issue in the whole Housewives (well reality) thing as the show itself. And also an explanation as to one of the factors one might not choose to continue.

Well see that is my point. Everything you've mentioned (and I totally agree with you except for the Angela Stanton stuff) was quite happy to show on screen i.e. not carefully constructing the idea of a perfect life. Even her lie about her pregnancy. That was lie she had told her mother even before she had started filming on the show so she had to keep it up. And the reality of life is we all tell these kinds of lies at various points in our life for various reasons (it doesn't mean we are carefully constructing perfect images just we all tell fibs from time to time) and she was perfectly happy for the show to show that as opposed to trying to disguise it or get it cut.

It's kinda like that ridiculous argument Ramona and Alex constantly throw at Luann. Just because you have certain etiquettes or manners doesn't mean you are living a lie trying to pretend you don't have issues going on in your life.

I'm pretty sure she did sue Angela Stanton... or was it the publishers? Isn't the case still going on? And at the end of the day libel/slander cases are messy business that are hard to prove/win. The fact remains that Phaedra was never investigated, arrested, charged or convicted. So when it comes between trusting the professionals of the US legal system and Angela Stanton the only ethical option is to go with the former. Like I've said previously I'm not a fan of trial by twitter or witch hunts.

I dunno I just find it strange that the most recent report states both Apollo AND Kenya admitted and apologised for lying about the nature of the texts they made to each other. Yet Phaedra's the one accused of being the shady one hiding being a mask of lies.

yeah but Brumilad Phaedra is shady no doubt about it what is it you dont see thats shady about her lol ?

Everything she does has been calculated for the show i mean she can dish it but she cant take it. The whole feud with Kenya imo was because Kenya was right most of the time and she knew it, Phaedra properly knew Apollo was texting her husband but denied it because she hated Kenya so she shut her down as far as she can go.

And imo I do think Phaedra had a helping hand in her husbands crimes she seems to me that she is very calculating in what she does and she can hide stuff very well I never bought into her whole southern belle charm people who put on a act like that have something to hide anyway.

Are you sure Phaedra sued cause I can't find it when I google "Angela Stanton sued" or "Angela Stanton lawsuit". I can't see why Angela would suddenly make it all up and then conveniently Phaedra's hubby is off to prison on fraud charges. All such a coincidence to the Phaedra fans I'm sure.

I still reckon the main reason Phaedra is married to Apollo was to avoid testifying against him in court and vice versa.

She apparently sucks as a lawyer too, the last big case she won was years ago.

Phaedra isn't a Southern Belle she has no manners and given her nickname in high school (thanks Nene) she was a bit of a skank back in the day too. But I'm sure they fans of hers think everyone is lying about precious Phaedra.

I think she is shady and that is the image she has put out from the beginning and never been afraid to admit it. She just also does it with the manners and etiquette of a Southern Belle. I just don't buy this ideas she's been the carefully constructed perfect housewife scared her lies are going to be exposed. I think her messiness has alway been kinda there and she ain't done much to hide it. I mean she ain't gone to Lisa Vanderpump/Nene Leakes levels to hide sordid aspects of their lives from the cameras.

Maybe she did have something to do with Apollo's crime, maybe she didn't. Personally like I say I find it deeply amoral to speak on such matters and cast aspersions towards a persons guilt in criminal matters. That is for justice system to deal with. And lets face facts some couch potato in Texas ain't gonna be the one to work that out if the professional haven't, so the aspersions she's quit the show because she's scared her mask will fall and the master criminal will be revealed is just kinda silly.

For me Phaedra has been one of the most genuine cast-members on RHOA... Considering that she joined the show at the same time as Cynthia, I feel like I know Phaedra and her life a lot more than I know Cynthia.

Even the due date lie, she still joined the show and allowed her lie to be exposed on screen so clearly she wasn't hell-bent on constructing the idea of a perfect life.

Any woman who marries a guy 5 months after her leaves prison, gives birth to their son 6 months after the wedding, and joins a tv show watched by millions during that pregnancy is not someone looking to give off a "perfect life" image.

You only have to look at how Phaedra brings these crazy strippers to events (and makes no secret of the fact that she represents them legally) to see that she's not trying to pass herself off as anything other than herself.

Is Phaedra shady? Yeah she is a bit, but she owns it. She met her client and got paid in a parking lot in front of the cameras for all to see.

A few other members of the RHOA cast have gone much further in trying to construct a perfect life than Phaedra ever has - Kenya does the fake boyfriend / fake house / fake life in Atlanta, Nene did the fake divorce / fake boyfriend thing, Porsha's whole first season was about portraying a carefully constructed (fake) image of a perfect marriage.

New York casting rumours are out again. Season 7 is definitely happening.

Apparently, Sonja is the only one coming back. She's also been asked to give names of her friends and they're going to build the cast around her. Ramona is definitely getting fired, they think she's ran her course and is a constant reminder of what the show isn't anymore. Aviva is another one that is definitely gone, due to her diva demands.

I'm not sure how reliable that story is. It sounds like something that has come from Sonja's camp, to be honest. Surely, they can't fire Ramona. She can be annoying, and I agree that she's a reminder of what the show isn't anymore, but she does bring drama and she is gold at reunions.

Seeming an article a while back claimed only Sonja and Ramona would be staying, I'm guessing this remains in the pile of 'Sonja's attempts to make herself seem wanted by planting stories'. I still think if anyone, she's one of the ones more in trouble.

I find it hard to decide whether or not most of the NY ladies are in danger or not. All of them seem kind of in the middle, both have their reasons to stay and leave. I don't think there'll be that many changes.

I'm in 100% agreement. I can see them either having a major recasting shake up, or inviting everyone back, with a few others, and then deciding the cast after filming has taken place.

Oh gosh I hope that is true, I can hardly bear to watch the woman! She's as blameless and innocent (i.e deluded) as Teresa and all but stops me sticking with NY.

For some weird reason yesterday's episode of New Jersey isn't up yet on the sites I use (normally I can access it on Monday morning) and the first two episodes of Season 6 have been deleted on both sites. Can anyone pm me a link please if they find one? Thank you very much

I'm sorry, I don't know how to do links, but I've just googled Phaedra as I wanted to confirm it was her that wants to open a funeral home, but one of the items that came up was from "realitytea" and features something about Phaedra having to give a deposition in the case involving Angela Stanton. It is a recent article.

I just wanted to add that one of the funniest things that Phaedra did was when she met with a "bereaved" family to discuss a family member's passing and funeral arrangements. She tried so hard to be diplomatic, whilst trying to figure out if it was a wind up or not! Have to say, it's one heck of a career change, lawyer to funeral director.

Cant find last nights NJ yet either Hopefully it'll be up soon.

For anyone who watches, Don't be Tardy was on last night as well for some reason. I love this show Kim is just so watchable. She's done having babies so made Kroy go and get the "snip", she's having nothing else done unless it benefits her, so getting her boobs lifted and her tummy done!

RHOA really do make for the best spin-offs. Don't be Tardy is by far the best, but I loved Kandi's wedding show as well.

Oh and add me to the Game of Crowns love. Its total trash, but utterly entertaining trash! I loved it, those two fighting at the airport, (and that jumpsuit was beyond hideous , honestly I was more mortified that either of them would wear it, on camera!) the hubby who supposedly made death threats, and some serious drag queenesque makeup hand costumes! Its brilliantly tacky. They are basically grown up versions of toddlers and tiaras!

Yup. I found the same. It's the deleting of the 2 episodes I've got that worries me. it's getting harder and harder to find and the last thing I want is to have to go at UK pace.

I love Sonja but she can't carry the show on her own. I'm not a huge fan of Ramona but if they get rid of her and Luann, they may as well just not bother. Also to get rid of Aviva would also be stupid as if she hadn't pulled the leg stunt the finale wouldn't have rated anywhere near as well as it did.
I'm gonna sound like a broken record but two words. JILL ZARIN.

Please don't swear Tally
I'm worried now as the site I watch the shows on doesn't have NJ on either, or more importantly Game Of Crowns!!

Is Pheadra really leaving RHOA? I hope not it will be a big loss, I can't really imagine the show without her.

Cant find NJ either and just noticed that the past 2 episodes are gone too. Hope it shows up soon!


Dont believe the rumors of RHONY being recast around Sonja, IMO she's a week link and is everything they don't want the show to be- its supposed to be about the crème de la crème of society and Sonja's desperate attempts to appear like shes still on top rubs off on the show.

I remember when they recast after season 4 it was because the network/producers wanted to penetrate NY high society and they felt the current cast werent giving them the show they wanted.
The problem however is that in NY a lot of people are judgmental of reality tv so it's going to be hard for them to find interesting characters who are willing to appear. I really think they missed a trick with Jill, I wish theyd ask her back, keep Ramona and Sonja, bring in Dina Lohan and then a few younger Bethenny types.

(Love Carole and Heather but they just aren't reality tv types)

I download torrents of new episodes. Usually they're high quality files, downloaded from US iTunes. They go on the torrent sites usually within 12 hours of being broadcast. I have every single episode of the Housewives, including the spin-offs.

Last night's New Jersey, however, only went up an hour ago. So perhaps hold on a little longer?

If Ramona goes the show will not recover. She makes NY for me. I think a Jill return would rejuvenate her though. As for targeting the high society, the only HWs I'd keep would be Ramona, Sonja, LuAnn & Aviva.

Hope NY will be around for years to come, its one of my favourites!

So yeah, I just watched New Jersey. It was a much better episode than the previous 2 - more lighter, fluffy scenes instead of the impending Guidice doom and gloom. It had all the makings of a good HWs episode - bratty children, Milania, a housewife trying to hawk her products, an OTT psychic, a scene in which a mother wants to help their child but can't, some spreading rumours, shopping and a housewife getting angry when the rumours about herself reaches her.

Highlight of the episode was definitely Ter-EH-sa and Nicole driving off angrily to go confront Amber at her house. They are so angry they could just scream! ... But wait, they need to stop for gas! That kind of killed the moment but it was hilarious!

Next week's episode looks even better. The claws come out between Amber and the twins at a fancy dress party. Amber's husband, Jim, also gets heated with Joe Gorga. He looks vile...

As much as Ramona may have run her course to some people I think the show will have a huge gap if she left i mean she is the face of it along with Luann she would be missed by me for sure but she does bring it on the show and she is great at the reunions.

I hope Sonja is safe to but she needs to up her game and stop being delusional I want S3/S4 Sonja back.

I've PM'd you the link.
Episode 3 of NJ is up though no sign of E1 & 2. I'm going to grab them while I can and studiously avoid Bumblesquat's recap until I've watched it as they are usually the best recaps I know.