I plan on getting a new PVR but unsure as to which brand to go for. I would like one that has RF loopthrough or out as the PVR will be connected to the kitchen TV so it can receive Freeview and also whatever is being watched on the PVR in the kitchen. Are there any models of PVR that do this? Sadly my Humax HDR doesn't or I'd have just bought another one of those.

Stick with the Humax and add something like this

http://www.maplin.co.uk/programmable...odulator-33050

Indeed, none of the Freesat boxes feature legacy UHF RF outputs or loop-through.

Automan.

Although they have now been added to the freesat II spec for future boxes.

Rather a case of 'too little too late'

Why would they do that?

Next year I would imagine some new TV's won't even support tuning to old RF non digital channels...

Automan.

Because not doing so has lost Freesat pretty large numbers of sales, when they don't provide basic functions that ten years older Sky boxes do it's an appallingly bad design decision.


I would suspect it's VERY unlikely, it's far too useful a facility, costs little to provide, and means you don't have to manufacture smaller numbers of country specific sets.

I see G2 mentions

"MoCA (Multimedia over Coax Alliance) support, which potentially enables a whole host of advanced media streaming and multiroom features that manufacturers might use."

http://www.mocalliance.org/

Which is not the same as a primitive UHF modulator from the last century.

Automan.

Hi
After 2012 most of the TV manufacturers will revert to manufacture Digital Tuners only. Some high end sets are digital only. They do not need to keep analogue tuners which can save them £$€ galore. If each tuner cost say wholesale $ 1 then few million TVs can save them fortune. Also if there is no analogue transmissions there is no legal requirement for such a tuner.
Time will tell.

Kirit

Clarification: http://www.v-net.tv/Blog.aspx?id=727...ome-networking

What evidence do you have of that?.


Would you care to name them? - I've not heard of any - in fact B&O were analogue only until fairly recently, but presumably aren't any longer?.


It's a global market, most manufacturers don't make sets for only one of them - a great many sets sold in the UK support the French HD system, at far greater cost than an analogue tuner, yet will never be used.

The reviews on the web page, when you expand them, seem rather negative. Found a number of others one ebay as well as some identical to the Maplin one. Anyone got any recommendations.

I think everyone has missed the anomaly here. This is posted on Freesat forum, so the PVR should be a Freesat one, but Paddy C wants an RF loopthrough for Freeview i.e. UHF, and not for a Satellite signal from a LNB! He seems a bit mixed up.

Perhaps he simply wants a Freeview PVR which has a (UHF) loopthough to connect on to his Freeview TV? If this is correct then perhaps move his post to the Freeview Forum?

What he has asked for will only be provided by a combined Freeview and Freesat PVR which has the UHF signals looped though the Freeview half of the PVR. The Freesat signals would not need loopthrough.....

I hope this is clear?

My Toppy Freeview PVR has a loop through facility. It does not handle HD. It is quite possible that can not buy any HD receiver (Satellite or Terrestrial) that has a loop though facility.

You seem to be missing the point, there's absolutely no point whatsoever having loopthrough on a satellite receiver - as it doesn't use the terrestrial UHF signals in any way.

The only reason for doing it is if the receiver has a UHF modulator, in which case the signal loops through in order to add the modulator output to the UHF signal.

All Freeview HD receivers will have loopthrough, simply because the receiver needs an aerial input, and so does the TV.

Which is what my satellite receiver can do.



But do any of them have UHF modulators? - and if so what do they do with an HD signal.

I don't think any have?, but if they did (and for the SCART socket anyway) the HD is simply scaled down to SD - as with all HD equipment.

The fact they are HD as well as SD doesn't make any difference.

Nope, I want a FreeSAT PVR that had RF loopthrough (if available) as the aerial connection for the house comes into the living room and I have a seperate cable running from the STB there into the kitchen enabling me to watch not only the Freeview channels in the kitchen but also whatever is on the STB in the living room, be it live TV or something previously recorded.

It appears only Sky boxes do this, so not to worry. I have purchased another Humax Foxsat HDR (down to £200 in Tesco) and will investigate maybe getting another aerial connection installed to the kitchen instead.

Thanks for your replies everyone.

To be clear, RF loopthrough (aka passthrough) is not enough to do what you want. You need a box with an RF UHF modulator to add the decoded signal from the box to the RF Out for connection to the remote TV. You can buy a separate UFH modulator to do this or use any old VCR instead if you cannot find a PVR that has one built in.

I think you have totally missed what the OP is looking for (and are the one who is mixed up) which is a satellite receiver which has UHF RF output and an RF pass through which enables him to watch on another TV via coax cable what is being shown on the satellite box as well as being able to tune the Freeview signals being provided by the terrestrial aerial input to the satellite receiver. All but one Sky boxes and virtually all non freesat receivers have this facility.

To be fair, most markets will be digital-only well before the end of this decade.

If analogue tuners are ever removed, you can buy one of these...
http://www.keene.co.uk/electronics/m...mycode=HDUSPRO

I don't think one person has ever owned all three STBs you might consider, but there are plenty of Humax/Samsung and Humax/Echostar comparisons. See the respective threads.

FWIW there's nothing dramatically wrong with the Humax IMO (though it gets slower as the HDD fills up - and you can see various threads for a list of "minor" niggles) - but the newer boxes look far slicker. I think I'd struggle to decide if buying now.

Cheers,
David.

As I see it it's a sort of global market sub regionalised for the main regions e.g. Europe, NA. etc

You could try normal free to air PVR, you won't get the Freesat EPG, but something like the Technomate TM-8000 has Freeview and Free-To-Air satellite tuners in one box and an RF modulator.
It's also HD, but not cheap though.

Just add one of these to your hdr and connect to either scart or the Red/White/Yellow RCA phono outputs.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RF-Modulat...item2eb5c5f3d4

Yep. I have one of these and it works fine.