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Old 28-07-2011, 12:38
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Call me crazy I think Daniele could still pull this off. She is known for being a competition queen and it was about time that someone made a bold move. If she wins HoH this week (assuming couples are getting split up) then she could turn them all against each other so much that they won't even be thinking about her. We saw her get to final 2 with her dad despite having the whole house against her (I know AP had something to do with this but she still had to get a lot of other players on board) and I think she had a bigger target on her in S8 than she does now.

I also agree with her comments about jury votes, she should have won BB8. ED was great but in S8 she was a much stronger player IMO.


Obviously, she does have a target on her though and I could come back here in a few days eating my words!
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Old 28-07-2011, 15:36
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Call me crazy I think Daniele could still pull this off. She is known for being a competition queen and it was about time that someone made a bold move. If she wins HoH this week (assuming couples are getting split up) then she could turn them all against each other so much that they won't even be thinking about her. We saw her get to final 2 with her dad despite having the whole house against her (I know AP had something to do with this but she still had to get a lot of other players on board) and I think she had a bigger target on her in S8 than she does now.

I also agree with her comments about jury votes, she should have won BB8. ED was great but in S8 she was a much stronger player IMO.


Obviously, she does have a target on her though and I could come back here in a few days eating my words!
I hope she does... I cant bear too much more of Brenchel and J+J
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Old 28-07-2011, 15:54
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Damanda we see to be on the same wavelength on both sides of the bond (both anti Belo )

Although I do like J+J. CANNOT abide Brenchel. Daniele's the best player in terms of past seasons out of the five of them and it would be a tragedy if she was the first to go.
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Old 28-07-2011, 16:12
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I didn't see Dani's series, so she's a bit of an unknown entity to me - but if she's great at competitions - fantastic! She's currently my favourite player and was hoping to see how Dominic and her would play (although this is looking more unlikely by the second). I'd love to see her pull off something brilliant in this game!

About the other veterans, don't like either of the guys, particularly Jeff. Jordan's ok, and Rachel is beyond irritating but I do find her quite entertaining, and she's good at competitions.
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Old 28-07-2011, 16:51
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She's great at competitions. She won two HoH's in her season, which is reasonably good, but five veto competitions, including the all important final 4, she ties Janelle for the most wins ever in a season. She could have had a go at beating her record this season, but due to the fact she was given a golden key so early I doubt this will happen.

If Dani goes next then the rest of the HGs may aswell go home because Jeff, Jordan, Brendan and Rachel will sail to the final 4 as she's the only one strong enough to compete against them. The newbies this year are really bad gameplayers. Daniele staying is the only way to save this show from becoming boring and predictable.
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Old 28-07-2011, 16:59
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She's great at competitions. She won two HoH's in her season, which is reasonably good, but five veto competitions, including the all important final 4, she ties Janelle for the most wins ever in a season. She could have had a go at beating her record this season, but due to the fact she was given a golden key so early I doubt this will happen.

If Dani goes next then the rest of the HGs may aswell go home because Jeff, Jordan, Brendan and Rachel will sail to the final 4 as she's the only one strong enough to compete against them. The newbies this year are really bad gameplayers. Daniele staying is the only way to save this show from becoming boring and predictable.
From what I can see, Daniele and Dominic are the only two that might be able to compete in competitions against the other four. Actually perhaps Porsche - people seem to forget that of all the newbies, she lasted the longest on the banana!
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Old 28-07-2011, 17:06
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Yeah, I think the HoH will probably be an endurance competition which will be great for Dani as she won her first HoH in an endurance comp and proved her worth this season by staying longest on the banana bar Rachel. I think if she'd needed to she could have beaten Rachel in that comp but realised that it wasn't smart to have a target on her back that early on in the game, another example of her being such a great player. Rachel goes hell for leather in all competitions, Dani just wins when she needs to. She knows as soon as the golden key twist is over she has to fight for her life, just like she did every week in BB8, and I think she could pull it off. Here's hoping!
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Old 28-07-2011, 17:21
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Damanda we see to be on the same wavelength on both sides of the bond (both anti Belo )

Although I do like J+J. CANNOT abide Brenchel. Daniele's the best player in terms of past seasons out of the five of them and it would be a tragedy if she was the first to go.
You dont want to be on the same wavelength as me lovely.
That wont make you popular

How do you like Jeff? I want to ping his vest straps until it hurts him.

Ive not seen any past seasons, but she looks in big trouble now. I'd like her to get all the newbies on her side though. then they could take out jeff and Brendon *yay*!
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Old 28-07-2011, 17:27
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Yes I'd love her to lead the newbies to charge! If Dani gets into the final 2 (I know it's a long way off yet) I'd love her to win it this time, my concern is that this bunch of clowns won't vote for the best strategist but for the person they were the biggest fan of. I don't think anyone will beat Jeff or Jordan if they sit next to them in the final 2.
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Old 28-07-2011, 18:06
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Although I like to think otherwise I reckon If I was actually on the jury I'd end up voting for the person I liked over the better strategist and I say that as someone who's a massive strategist fan.

Although any good strategist should know how important the social game is.

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Old 28-07-2011, 18:41
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Daniele's strategy was fatally flawed from the start. So much so, that it failed it's first and only test.

Dani's object was to manage, ride and shelter behind Brenchel all the way to the end of the game, believing that no one on the Jury would ever vote for either Rachel or Brendon. First among the many flaws: Brenchel are impossible to manage. Rachel is utterly capricious and her judgement is subject to whatever emotion is currently dominant. Brendon however, is so certain of his own, often erroneous judgement that he is impossible to reason with. Brenchel are cursed as far as BB is concerned, because even their biggest advantage, competitive dominance, ultimately harms them. Especially when combined with their appalling social game. They make themselves instant and permanent targets for everyone in the game. Despite all this, Dani chose to fly her colours on Brenchel's mast. It was bound to fail.

Her plan to backdoor Jeff was the 1st real test of this relationship. We already know the result.

Had she played the same game, but using J+J instead she would still be in prime position. Unfortunately for Dani, Shelly got to J+J first and it is Shelly who is now in a great position.
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Old 28-07-2011, 18:44
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I definitely don't think it's over for her, but she really blew a golden position. She's basically left with the stragglers, but if she could make them form a serious alliance, she's still in with a chance. Other than the couples, I don't think many people are actually targeting her. She just needs to make sure she can get the wildcards on side - Porsche, Kalia etc.

If she goes home next week, she has nobody to blame but herself, and I have no sympathy for her. She was golden a week ago, but threw it all away so unnecessarily. I felt at the time she deserved BB8 more than her Dad, but if this is the type of mess she's made for herself without him, maybe he really was the better player. I'm so disappointed in her, because I came into this season really wanting to give her a second chance, and I was really liking her. She's just imploded this week though.
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Old 28-07-2011, 18:54
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If I was her my strategy would have been to ride along with the other vets until hopefully final 5 and I honestly think the five of them would have achieved that and dominated competitions throwing all of the newbies out. Then I'd throw the F5 HoH and let B&R and J&J turn on each other, which would have to happen because neither couple would want to be going into F4 against another couple. Then F4 I'd really fight for HoH/PoV and try and split the other couple.

Hopefully at this point the F3 would consist of Dani, one half of Brenchel and one half of J&J. I'd make a deal with the half of Brenchel left to go to the final 2, hopefully J wouldn't win the final HoH and Dani would be sitting there in the final 2 next to Brendan or Rachel who would be very unpopular on the Jury. Just like that Daniele's $500,000 richer.
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Old 28-07-2011, 19:02
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That's why I feel so disappointed in her. It was all there for her - a golden shot at final 5, being the swing between two couples. Nobody would have targeted her with two couples still in the game, which essentially meant she was immune for two rival HoH competitions anyway, and like you say, every proven competitor was in the Vet group.

To say they'd definitely be the final five is a stretch, but the odds weren't that long. She had a clear path to the final, and could have taken Rachel. Instant win, instant gold.
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Old 28-07-2011, 19:04
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If I was her my strategy would have been to ride along with the other vets until hopefully final 5 and I honestly think the five of them would have achieved that and dominated competitions throwing all of the newbies out. Then I'd throw the F5 HoH and let B&R and J&J turn on each other, which would have to happen because neither couple would want to be going into F4 against another couple. Then F4 I'd really fight for HoH/PoV and try and split the other couple.
No one in their right mind should want to go anywhere near F4 with Brenchel. They are perfectly capable of winning back to back competitions and Game over.

This was the flaw in Dani's strategy. J+J can be riden all the way, because they can be beaten much more easily in comps, when it matters.
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Old 28-07-2011, 19:05
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I think Dani would be a match for them though.
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Old 28-07-2011, 19:21
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No one in their right mind should want to go anywhere near F4 with Brenchel. They are perfectly capable of winning back to back competitions and Game over.

This was the flaw in Dani's strategy. J+J can be riden all the way, because they can be beaten much more easily in comps, when it matters.
I disagree, I think Dani would have been in a much better spot going into the F4 with Brenchel rather than J+J. If Jeff or Jordan won the F4 veto then that's it for her chances, totally game over as she would not beat either of them even if she managed to get to the finals. She'd have to have screwed over Brenchel at some point as well and we know how personally they take that sort of thing.

Yes Brenchel are good in the challenges but so is Dani. Hopefully split them at the F4, if that fails they'd probably be dumb enough to go to the F3 with her giving Dani another shot to take one of them out.
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Old 28-07-2011, 19:24
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I don't really think in any way Rachel and Brendon will make top 4 together anyway. Jeff and Jordan still have no intention of going that far with them, and that's without Dani in the group.
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Old 28-07-2011, 19:27
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Dani is correct when she said no one has the balls to go after Brendan and Rachel and Dumb and Dumber, I mean Jeff and Jordan. I hope to God she wins HoH and does something drastic in the house, I for one dont want to see the four other vets running the game, how boring that would be.

Shame Dom is going, he and Dani could have made this season intresting, but now we are stuck with Dani against the house.
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Old 28-07-2011, 19:29
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I don't really think in any way Rachel and Brendon will make top 4 together anyway. Jeff and Jordan still have no intention of going that far with them, and that's without Dani in the group.
I agree, just saying if I was Dani and had the choice I'd take Brenchel .
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Old 28-07-2011, 19:31
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Dani is correct when she said no one has the balls to go after Brendan and Rachel and Dumb and Dumber, I mean Jeff and Jordan. I hope to God she wins HoH and does something drastic in the house, I for one dont want to see the four other vets running the game, how boring that would be.

Shame Dom is going, he and Dani could have made this season intresting, but now we are stuck with Dani against the house.
Jeff and Jordan are much smarter than Brenchel when it comes to this game.
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Old 28-07-2011, 19:33
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Jeff and Jordan are much smarter than Brenchel when it comes to this game.
Both bad as one another.

Brenchel get too emotional over the game
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Old 28-07-2011, 19:35
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I think her flaw was in thinking it was best to turn the two couples against each other and being so blatant about it. The veteran alliance imploding this early is actually worse for her as it exposes her position in the house. She had the perfect shield before, and didn't have to do anything, just sit back for a few weeks and let the others fight amongst themselves but I don't think she is that kind of player. I still kind of like but she overplayed a bit.

I do think Jeff and Jordan are the big threats this season though. She is right to be worried about them.
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Old 28-07-2011, 19:51
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Both bad as one another.

Brenchel get too emotional over the game
Maybe if you only watch the shows but on the live feed Jordan especially understands the game very well.
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Old 28-07-2011, 20:00
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Maybe if you only watch the shows but on the live feed Jordan especially understands the game very well.
Completely agree. If she was more competitive and just a little more discreet, Jordan would be right up there. But she's pretty good as she is.
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