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29-07-2011, 08:34
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Gutted - might have to get Sky Sports
Well Bernie has done the unthinkable and has sold out to Sky. Formula One will no longer be fully free to air in the UK. From next year half of the races will be broadcast on Sky Sports.
I am an avid F1 fan and have been enjoying the live F1 coverage on BBC in HD. It honestly has been the best ever. At the very least I'm gonna have to subscribe to Sky Sports on BTVision but I fear that I'll have to get a proper Sky HD box so that I can continue to watch it in HD all season. Which may mean the loss of BTVision altogether as I don't want to run two PVRs. But I'd have to pay Sky at least £42 a month for the priveledge. I'm being ripped off totally but I want my F1. Saying that though I dont have a phone line anywhere near my TV and I only have one cable coming from my dish so that might rule out going to Sky directly. Either way I'm not looking forward to shelling out good money to watch adverts during a race or the cheesy coverage that will no doubt come with it. Hey ho - lets hope BTVision can get SS1 in HD when it goes IPTV. Edit - just checked - if I want SS1 in HD then I can get VM and pay £39 instead lol and I don't need any silly phone / sat cables  2nd Edit : just checked BT and I can get SS1, ESPN & BTV Unlimited for around £25 with no fuss so I may go for that. I can get SS2 for an extra fiver as well. |
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29-07-2011, 11:13
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Well Bernie has done the unthinkable and has sold out to Sky. Formula One will no longer be fully free to air in the UK. From next year half of the races will be broadcast on Sky Sports.
I am an avid F1 fan and have been enjoying the live F1 coverage on BBC in HD. It honestly has been the best ever. At the very least I'm gonna have to subscribe to Sky Sports on BTVision but I fear that I'll have to get a proper Sky HD box so that I can continue to watch it in HD all season. Which may mean the loss of BTVision altogether as I don't want to run two PVRs. But I'd have to pay Sky at least £42 a month for the priveledge. I'm being ripped off totally but I want my F1. Saying that though I dont have a phone line anywhere near my TV and I only have one cable coming from my dish so that might rule out going to Sky directly. Either way I'm not looking forward to shelling out good money to watch adverts during a race or the cheesy coverage that will no doubt come with it. Hey ho - lets hope BTVision can get SS1 in HD when it goes IPTV. Edit - just checked - if I want SS1 in HD then I can get VM and pay £39 instead lol and I don't need any silly phone / sat cables 2nd Edit : just checked BT and I can get SS1, ESPN & BTV Unlimited for around £25 with no fuss so I may go for that. I can get SS2 for an extra fiver as well. It is stunts like this that make me glad I switched from sky to BT and give BT vision the profit. I urge anyone considering getting sky sports for F1 to get it with any provider other than sky. Let other companies get the profit from this. Thing is though, I highly suspect that sky will put this on SS3. This is new content after the ofcom decision and SS1 and 2 will have the bigger sports. |
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29-07-2011, 11:29
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Can't see it on SS3 and I believe BT/Virgin etc will be straight to OfCom if it does.
F1 is a "must see" in the UK and to hive it off would mean BT Vision customers wouldn't have it and Virgin customers would not have it in HD. If it's on Sky Sports 1 or 2 (assuming 2 as Prem Super Sunday will be on SS1) then I can handle part of it in SD then flick to Freeview HD when the BBC turn on their feed. |
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29-07-2011, 12:20
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Sorry - i misread the news story on this. bbc only have 50% of the races.
I read it first time as they'd show half the races - as in half of the live race on a Sunday. Oops! LOL 
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29-07-2011, 15:22
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Can't see it on SS3 and I believe BT/Virgin etc will be straight to OfCom if it does.
F1 is a "must see" in the UK and to hive it off would mean BT Vision customers wouldn't have it and Virgin customers would not have it in HD. If it's on Sky Sports 1 or 2 (assuming 2 as Prem Super Sunday will be on SS1) then I can handle part of it in SD then flick to Freeview HD when the BBC turn on their feed. I'm not gloating about this as I'm a F1 fan too and on VM we only get SS1 & 2 in HD at the moment. But you only have to remember what Sky did to Freeview and therefor Vision by removing SSN last year. I'm sure they'd love to deny it F1. And whilst I understand that some might advocate rushing off to OFCOM to complain, I think the reality is that F1 fans are very vocal but are relatively (compared to EPL) small in number. ITV couldn't make coverage pay, in the current climate, the BBC can't afford it (alone), so the Sky deal is the only one in town. I hope I'm wrong about the SS3 or 4 thing, but... |
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29-07-2011, 17:05
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oh you can fully expect sky to put it on ss3.
in a bid to get people onto sky. think about it, there's people like you and me who have BT vision purely because what we want to watch is available, even if we need some premium sports we have ESPN, and SS1, and SS2. to justify not going with sky. But now, sky will put it on ss3 or ss4. and say the british grand prix or a season decider comes up. sky will now hold the country to ransom and force people to fork out on either sky it'self or a package upgrade. So only sky or virgin customers can get it. Hey lets give em Wimbledon whilst we are at it, how about the FA cup too. Oh and have the Olympics as well. bloody disgrace. least channel 4 has managed to keep the horse racing. Fair play there. |
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29-07-2011, 17:07
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Disgraceful isn't it. Fortunately I have SS1 and 2 with vision at £12.30 a month so I probably will still be able to watch the races though not in HD.
It is stunts like this that make me glad I switched from sky to BT and give BT vision the profit. I urge anyone considering getting sky sports for F1 to get it with any provider other than sky. Let other companies get the profit from this. Thing is though, I highly suspect that sky will put this on SS3. This is new content after the ofcom decision and SS1 and 2 will have the bigger sports. |
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29-07-2011, 18:49
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I should look into that, been with BT long enough.
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29-07-2011, 23:01
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Well Bernie has done the unthinkable and has sold out to Sky. Formula One will no longer be fully free to air in the UK. From next year half of the races will be broadcast on Sky Sports.
I am an avid F1 fan and have been enjoying the live F1 coverage on BBC in HD. It honestly has been the best ever. At the very least I'm gonna have to subscribe to Sky Sports on BTVision but I fear that I'll have to get a proper Sky HD box so that I can continue to watch it in HD all season. Which may mean the loss of BTVision altogether as I don't want to run two PVRs. But I'd have to pay Sky at least £42 a month for the priveledge. I'm being ripped off totally but I want my F1. Saying that though I dont have a phone line anywhere near my TV and I only have one cable coming from my dish so that might rule out going to Sky directly. Either way I'm not looking forward to shelling out good money to watch adverts during a race or the cheesy coverage that will no doubt come with it. Hey ho - lets hope BTVision can get SS1 in HD when it goes IPTV. Edit - just checked - if I want SS1 in HD then I can get VM and pay £39 instead lol and I don't need any silly phone / sat cables 2nd Edit : just checked BT and I can get SS1, ESPN & BTV Unlimited for around £25 with no fuss so I may go for that. I can get SS2 for an extra fiver as well. I love F1, but I am not paying for for a whole channel just to get it. If I could just pay to watch F1 then I may think about it, but not for a channel that I will never watch the rest of the time. I can't get Bt Vision even if I wanted to as I am not on Bt broadband, so I am stuck |
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29-07-2011, 23:03
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Sky will put it on SS3 and 4, they will also 'offer' the channels to VM and BTV/TUTV/Freeview in order to fend off an OFCOM investigation.
But and here is the big but. a) Carriage charges will be higher than SS1 and 2 as they are classed as niche sports channels and therefore attract a higher premium. b) freeview is cramped, BT would have to show it as a new multicast channel. BT's target of a 2012 launch for multicast channels means either 31st December 2012 or the last day of 2012 Q4 (March 30 2013). Oh and we can forget 3D/HD. |
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30-07-2011, 13:05
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Well Bernie has done the unthinkable and has sold out to Sky. Formula One will no longer be fully free to air in the UK. From next year half of the races will be broadcast on Sky Sports.
I am an avid F1 fan and have been enjoying the live F1 coverage on BBC in HD. It honestly has been the best ever. At the very least I'm gonna have to subscribe to Sky Sports on BTVision but I fear that I'll have to get a proper Sky HD box so that I can continue to watch it in HD all season. Which may mean the loss of BTVision altogether as I don't want to run two PVRs. But I'd have to pay Sky at least £42 a month for the priveledge. I'm being ripped off totally but I want my F1. Saying that though I dont have a phone line anywhere near my TV and I only have one cable coming from my dish so that might rule out going to Sky directly. Either way I'm not looking forward to shelling out good money to watch adverts during a race or the cheesy coverage that will no doubt come with it. Hey ho - lets hope BTVision can get SS1 in HD when it goes IPTV. Edit - just checked - if I want SS1 in HD then I can get VM and pay £39 instead lol and I don't need any silly phone / sat cables 2nd Edit : just checked BT and I can get SS1, ESPN & BTV Unlimited for around £25 with no fuss so I may go for that. I can get SS2 for an extra fiver as well. |
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31-07-2011, 18:52
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sky will now hold the country to ransom and force people to fork out on either sky it'self or a package upgrade.
Hey lets give em Wimbledon whilst we are at it, how about the FA cup too. Oh and have the Olympics as well. bloody disgrace. least channel 4 has managed to keep the horse racing. Fair play there. Nobody is being forced to do anything, you don't have a divine right to watch any sport on TV. Don't like it? Don't pay and don't watch. F1 is a minority sport that the majority of licence fee payers couldn't give a rats a**e about. Clearly the BBC have initiated this as the new deal supercedes an existing contract that had one more year to run anyway. What were FOM supposed to do then? give it away?? C4 btw wouldn't have been interested, they have cut their racing coverage in the past 2 years by 40%... Just on your other points I would much rather the FA Cup, Wimbledon and the Olympics be on pay TV too but apparently that has more interest. FACT is, all sports want to be on pay TV, due to increased revenue etc. you'll have to be prepared to pay to watch pretty much anything in the not too distant future. ..like I said no one has a divine right. |
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31-07-2011, 19:39
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what kind of fantasy island do you live on??
Nobody is being forced to do anything, you don't have a divine right to watch any sport on TV. Don't like it? Don't pay and don't watch. F1 is a minority sport that the majority of licence fee payers couldn't give a rats a**e about. Clearly the BBC have initiated this as the new deal supercedes an existing contract that had one more year to run anyway. What were FOM supposed to do then? give it away?? C4 btw wouldn't have been interested, they have cut their racing coverage in the past 2 years by 40%... Just on your other points I would much rather the FA Cup, Wimbledon and the Olympics be on pay TV too but apparently that has more interest. FACT is, all sports want to be on pay TV, due to increased revenue etc. you'll have to be prepared to pay to watch pretty much anything in the not too distant future. ..like I said no one has a divine right. As we've seen from the ITV announcements this week the days of free TV are ending... |
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31-07-2011, 22:27
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Spot on, and YouView will make things far worse. It is after all, only a way to moneterise DTT / IPTV content.
As we've seen from the ITV announcements this week the days of free TV are ending... Haven't ITV announced a rise in advertising income? The idea that free TV is ending is ludicrous. |
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31-07-2011, 22:33
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What announcements?
Haven't ITV announced a rise in advertising income? The idea that free TV is ending is ludicrous. http://thenextweb.com/uk/2011/07/27/...-up-tv-player/ Not so ludicrous as you thought... |
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31-07-2011, 23:52
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What announcements?
Haven't ITV announced a rise in advertising income? The idea that free TV is ending is ludicrous. in fact re-reading the thread I don't know where you've got it from. the notion of TV being free with a £10+ pcm license is false anyway. ..I think what M.DS and I are saying is that any form of premium competitive sport on TV will become chargeable within the next 5 years...maybe sooner. looking further ahead, as people find new ways to avoid ads... sky+, VOD etc. then the programme makers in general need to generate extra revenue streams just to make shows... Without ads the only option is to directly charge for it. Sky have shown that in the current environment, that can be very successful.... M.DS' link above shows ITV's thoughts on that. More companies are also going thru things like iTunes ...newspapers etc. to generate income. Free news will also be a thing of the past. People like stunt master and webs etc. seem to think that if Sky weren't around then all the sport would be on TV for free.. just nonsense... if nobody wanted to pay Bernie's prices for F1 he'd just take it online via his own company at £10 - £15 a race. look at NFL, even in the states NFL game pass is $35 a month, and they have it on network TV!!! people need to wake up and realise that there is no devil in all this, not Sky or the sports (excluding EPL!) if not Sky then it would be someone else doing the charging! |
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01-08-2011, 00:41
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Sorry. I thought everyone knew this...
http://thenextweb.com/uk/2011/07/27/...-up-tv-player/ Not so ludicrous as you thought...  It says they will introduce micropayments for watching stuff online. It doesn't mention broadcast TV. So, yes, it is still as ludicrous as I thought.
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01-08-2011, 00:42
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I'm not sure anyone is saying 'free tv is ending'...
in fact re-reading the thread I don't know where you've got it from. the notion of TV being free with a £10+ pcm license is false anyway. ..I think what M.DS and I are saying is that any form of premium competitive sport on TV will become chargeable within the next 5 years...maybe sooner. looking further ahead, as people find new ways to avoid ads... sky+, VOD etc. then the programme makers in general need to generate extra revenue streams just to make shows... Without ads the only option is to directly charge for it. Sky have shown that in the current environment, that can be very successful.... M.DS' link above shows ITV's thoughts on that. More companies are also going thru things like iTunes ...newspapers etc. to generate income. Free news will also be a thing of the past. People like stunt master and webs etc. seem to think that if Sky weren't around then all the sport would be on TV for free.. just nonsense... if nobody wanted to pay Bernie's prices for F1 he'd just take it online via his own company at £10 - £15 a race. look at NFL, even in the states NFL game pass is $35 a month, and they have it on network TV!!! people need to wake up and realise that there is no devil in all this, not Sky or the sports (excluding EPL!) if not Sky then it would be someone else doing the charging! |
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01-08-2011, 12:34
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If you want it badly without paying for Sky, then just get hold of a cheap satellite dish and box and rig it up for the German channels. RTL will carry on showing the races Free to Air - a perfectly legal solution.
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01-08-2011, 13:38
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is it just me or has sky sports news now gone back to pay to view ?
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01-08-2011, 14:59
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Surely this will only be available on Sky Pay Per View, most likely at £24.99 (£19.99) if you pre order, or £99 for all six races.
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01-08-2011, 17:37
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is it just me or has sky sports news now gone back to pay to view ?
Details here: http://helpforum.sky.com/t5/Sky-Prog...st/td-p/131721 Not relivant to this forum but only trying to help... |
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01-08-2011, 17:44
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Surely this will only be available on Sky Pay Per View, most likely at £24.99 (£19.99) if you pre order, or £99 for all six races.
Not sure if the audience is really out there but Sky will know if it is, the demographic is good... Might save wwwhatshisname from subscribing to Sky after all, he can just pay per view, a very YouView concept... |
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02-08-2011, 11:55
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Good interview with Murray Walker on BBC..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/form...e/14367183.stm echoes the more sensible opinions on here and suggests that all TV sport in the future will be 'paid for' |
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02-08-2011, 13:20
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How does that link suggest free TV is ending?
It says they will introduce micropayments for watching stuff online. It doesn't mention broadcast TV. So, yes, it is still as ludicrous as I thought. |
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