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Bizarre American sweet and savoury food combinations
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ardwark
01-08-2011
Originally Posted by epicurian:
“ Were you dropped on your head as a child?

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And every year on my birthday since
epicurian
01-08-2011
Originally Posted by ardwark:
“And every year on my birthday since ”

You're excused then.
whitecliffe
01-08-2011
Um my fav is Louisianna Chicken - Chicken breast stuffed with banana and wrapped in pancetta baked on a bed of sweet corn and butter beans mixed with cream and white wine.

Sound strange but yummy and dont forget to add the sweet potatoes!
badcompany3004
01-08-2011
Originally Posted by epicurian:
“There have been a few highlighted in this thread. Any number of dishes from your local Chinese and Indian takeaways, i.e. sweet and sour chicken, chicken korma. Go look at a jar of pasta sauce and see how much sugar is in there, along with your tin of baked beans. Salad cream- tastes pretty sweet to me, along with chutney; cranberries with your Christmas turkey; pineapple with ham, etc...

The bacon available in America is wide and varied. Some is maple cured, some isn't.

Yeah, the sentiment of this thread seems nothing more than a desire of the OP to get his own back. Pity.”

See the examples you give are not really the same thing, first Chinese and Indian are from a different culture, yes they have been accepted and integrated into our culture and we eat it often (I don't as I don't really like a lot of the items on their menus) but that is like saying Mexican food is ours too and it really isn't and I would think those cultures would be offended if the British people did try to claim them as our own. If you understand what I am trying to say?

As for sugar in foodstuffs that is not the same as combining foods together like the bacon and pancakes. Putting sugar in a jar of pasta sauce for example is to temper down the acidic taste of the tomato.

The only reason I asked for an example is because I wanted to see if there was something that I have been conditioned to feel was normal and would look strange to an outsider. And I would like to see if I have been conditioned

I suppose pineapple with gammon could be strange, the Turkey and cranberry I thought came from across the pond anyway. But yes Pineapple and gammon would be weird (I don't like it myself hehe) If you were thinking of Ham and Pineapple pizza though again I thought that came from America or Canada - I am often wrong though so happy if we have made it up ourselves

I understand you have a multitude of bacon options but I thought there was a specific type for breakfast with pancakes - I do notice from TV that it does seem to be streaky more often than not though

Sorry for asking but you are the only American I know that I can ask these questions to so thanks for your patience.

P.S again I am not bashing American food, I would love to travel around America and sample every local cuisine I can. I am hopeful it might happen one day So I am sorry if my post does come across that way at any point.
epicurian
01-08-2011
Originally Posted by badcompany3004:
“See the examples you give are not really the same thing, first Chinese and Indian are from a different culture, yes they have been accepted and integrated into our culture and we eat it often (I don't as I don't really like a lot of the items on their menus) but that is like saying Mexican food is ours too and it really isn't and I would think those cultures would be offended if the British people did try to claim them as our own. If you understand what I am trying to say?

As for sugar in foodstuffs that is not the same as combining foods together like the bacon and pancakes. Putting sugar in a jar of pasta sauce for example is to temper down the acidic taste of the tomato.

The only reason I asked for an example is because I wanted to see if there was something that I have been conditioned to feel was normal and would look strange to an outsider. And I would like to see if I have been conditioned

I understand you have a multitude of bacon options but I thought there was a specific type for breakfast with pancakes - I do notice from TV that it does seem to be streaky more often than not though

Sorry for asking but you are the only American I know that I can ask these questions to so thanks for your patience.

P.S again I am not bashing American food, I would love to travel around America and sample every local cuisine I can. I am hopeful it might happen one day So I am sorry if my post does come across that way at any point.”


But the point of this thread seems to be to point and laugh at the fat Americans eating sweet and savoury together. My point is, so do you. If they have been accepted into your culture and enjoyed (and oh, how they are), then why does it matter where the dishes originated? I hasten to add that what appears on those takeaway menus have largely been adapted to suit the British palate and they are not necessarily what you would be served when visiting those countries. Same goes for Mexican, which is more often than not Tex Mex. I've yet to be to a "Mexican" restaurant here or in the U.S. with menudo on the menu.

As for sugar in pasta sauce- I make my own and I never add sugar. When I've tried the jar stuff it tastes like syrup to me. Same with the sauce in baked beans. What about salad cream and cranberries and apricots in Wensleydale cheese? Come on, explain that one away.

Bacon: I'd never even seen back bacon before I moved here. So I guess it's not so varied, at least not in my little corner. But you can get it smoked in lots of different ways. I used to like mine peppered and thick cut.
Last edited by epicurian : 01-08-2011 at 16:13
badcompany3004
01-08-2011
Originally Posted by epicurian:
“But the point of this thread seems to be to point and laugh at the fat Americans eating sweet and savoury together. My point is, so do you. If they have been accepted into your culture and enjoyed (and oh, how they are), then why does it matter where the dishes originated? I hasten to add that what appears on those takeaway menus have largely been adapted to suit the British palate and they are not necessarily what you would be served when visiting those countries. Same goes for Mexican, which is more often than not Tex Mex. I've yet to be to a "Mexican" restaurant here or in the U.S. with menudo on the menu.

As for sugar in pasta sauce- I make my own and I never add sugar. When I've tried the jar stuff it tastes like syrup to me. Same with the sauce in baked beans. What about salad cream and cranberries and apricots in Wensleydale cheese? Come on, explain that one away.

Bacon: I'd never even seen back bacon before I moved here. So I guess it's not so varied, at least not in my little corner. But you can get it smoked in lots of different ways. I used to like mine peppered and thick cut.”

Well I am not condoning the "fat American" stuff, I mean I walk through the streets and see fat people everywhere. I don't think America has the monopoly on that

I understand what you mean by if it is accepted into your culture then it is part of your cuisine, but even saying that ruins this thread as we also accept American food (not as much as I would like) into our culture so this thread is moot

And I can't explain salad cream as I never had it to comment as for the apricot cheese that is a good example I haven't seen it though - but I want to now

I make my own pasta sauces too - I am allergic to onion and it is very hard to find a jar sauce that doesn't contain onion but I still add a pinch of sugar to counteract the tomato acidity and it works well.

So no specific bacon for the more sweet menu then, cool. Still want to try it
epicurian
01-08-2011
Originally Posted by badcompany3004:
“Well I am not condoning the "fat American" stuff, I mean I walk through the streets and see fat people everywhere. I don't think America has the monopoly on that

I understand what you mean by if it is accepted into your culture then it is part of your cuisine, but even saying that ruins this thread as we also accept American food (not as much as I would like) into our culture so this thread is moot

And I can't explain salad cream as I never had it to comment as for the apricot cheese that is a good example I haven't seen it though - but I want to now

I make my own pasta sauces too - I am allergic to onion and it is very hard to find a jar sauce that doesn't contain onion but I still add a pinch of sugar to counteract the tomato acidity and it works well.

So no specific bacon for the more sweet menu then, cool. Still want to try it ”

But the point of the thread wasn't who invented what, but who eats what, wasn't it?

I make most of my own food from scratch. Mostly because I enjoy cooking, but secondly, as a type1diabetic, I need to be in control of my sugar/carb intake, and believe me, I am acutely aware of the overuse of the white stuff in more foodstuffs than you'd believe. Most people don't notice it because they've never really known anything else.

They have a whole range of fruity wensleydales at my Co-op. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:We...ies_cheese.jpg It's good stuff!
badcompany3004
01-08-2011
Originally Posted by epicurian:
“But the point of the thread wasn't who invented what, but who eats what, wasn't it?

I make most of my own food from scratch. Mostly because I enjoy cooking, but secondly, as a type1diabetic, I need to be in control of my sugar/carb intake, and believe me, I am acutely aware of the overuse of the white stuff in more foodstuffs than you'd believe. Most people don't notice it because they've never really known anything else.

They have a whole range of fruity wensleydales at my Co-op. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:We...ies_cheese.jpg It's good stuff!”

Actually going by the title, I would think the point of the thread was to list American Menus that combine sweet and savoury food items together (and the OP finding them bizarre ) Not who eats them as I am sure many other people across the world has eaten American cuisine - but it was aimed at the inventors not the eaters. Just my take, but I honestly don't care what the OP really meant, as you have just proven with gammon and pineapple, apricot and cheese, Turkey and Cranberry (if that is British invented) we British have our own bizarre combinations

I am not a fan of cranberries but I will have a look at the other fruit cheeses.
epicurian
01-08-2011
I wouldn't even say those things are bizarre, and what a boring world it would be if all we ever ate was meat and two veg. Viva la difference.
badcompany3004
01-08-2011
Originally Posted by epicurian:
“I wouldn't even say those things are bizarre, and what a boring world it would be if all we ever ate was meat and two veg. Viva la difference.”

OK I should have put "" around my bizarre
epicurian
01-08-2011
Originally Posted by badcompany3004:
“OK I should have put "" around my bizarre ”



Doughnut cheeseburger: I'm no food snob, but THAT'S bizarre.
Gaditano
01-08-2011
Originally Posted by whitecliffe:
“Um my fav is Louisianna Chicken - Chicken breast stuffed with banana and wrapped in pancetta baked on a bed of sweet corn and butter beans mixed with cream and white wine.

Sound strange but yummy and dont forget to add the sweet potatoes!”

I can imagine that tasting good, but doesn't it look a bit palliid - all that white & yellow?? I guess the pink of the pancetta & maybe the orange of the sweet potato would help, but a bit of green somewhere is needed!
RedeW
01-08-2011
Originally Posted by epicurian:
“I've yet to be to a "Mexican" restaurant here or in the U.S. with menudo on the menu.”

Mestizo in London has menudo on their brunch menu. It's the only Mexican owned restaurant in the UK that I know of so I'd expect the food to be fairly true to character.
marieukxx
01-08-2011
I sooo love the look of american diner food but don't get this waffle and bacon and waffle with fried chicken thing. They even put syrup on them. It'd not something I'd ever have together.

I'd love to go to these proper diners you see on man v food though. The food looks AMAZING
GrimmGhost
01-08-2011
Originally Posted by badcompany3004:
“Actually going by the title, I would think the point of the thread was to list American Menus that combine sweet and savoury food items together (and the OP finding them bizarre ) Not who eats them as I am sure many other people across the world has eaten American cuisine - but it was aimed at the inventors not the eaters. Just my take, but I honestly don't care what the OP really meant, as you have just proven with gammon and pineapple, apricot and cheese, Turkey and Cranberry (if that is British invented) we British have our own bizarre combinations

I am not a fan of cranberries but I will have a look at the other fruit cheeses. ”

I'm sure Cranberry sauce with Turkey is of North American origin. As a kid, when in the UK, Cranberry sauce was unheard-of.

As for Pineapple with Gammon I'm not sure but I think it's an American original too. I know in early Colonial America Pineapple motifs were commonplace and Pineapple was used in many Colonial American recipes. My American relatives have Baked Gammon for every Easter Sunday dinner. It's cross-cut on the surface to resemble a Pineapple after the ridges get crispy brown and Pineapple rings are pinned to it with cloves and Maraschino cherries at the centers of the rings.

http://www.ehow.com/facts_7461261_pi...oor-mean_.html

Mince pie might be considered a familiar sweet-savory dish in the UK though its origins are Middle-Eastern
epicurian
01-08-2011
Originally Posted by RedeW:
“Mestizo in London has menudo on their brunch menu. It's the only Mexican owned restaurant in the UK that I know of so I'd expect the food to be fairly true to character.”

That's very good to know! Thank you.
mrkite77
02-08-2011
Originally Posted by indianwells:
“It's all about balance. The four main flavours are sweet, sour, salty and bitter”

You left out umami.
mrkite77
02-08-2011
Originally Posted by epicurian:
“There have been a few highlighted in this thread. Any number of dishes from your local Chinese and Indian takeaways, i.e. sweet and sour chicken, chicken korma.”

Don't forget all the beverages that use sweet & sour cocktail mix. I find it hard to believe no one in the UK drinks an Amaretto Sour or a Singapore Sling.
mrkite77
02-08-2011
Originally Posted by epicurian:
“ I've yet to be to a "Mexican" restaurant here or in the U.S. with menudo on the menu.”

Come to Tucson. There are a whole host of restaurants here that serve that abomination.

"Best menudo" is actually a category in the yearly Best of Tucson competition:
http://www.tucsonweekly.com/tucson/b...Of?oid=2209505
Aerick
02-08-2011
Originally Posted by whitecliffe:
“Um my fav is Louisianna Chicken - Chicken breast stuffed with banana and wrapped in pancetta baked on a bed of sweet corn and butter beans mixed with cream and white wine.

Sound strange but yummy and dont forget to add the sweet potatoes!”

Are you sure you don't mean a Plantain? And not a traditional "Dole" banana? There are bananas that have no sweetness, but rather are a starch item that are used in Carribbean and I would imagine, Creole cuisine. A regular sweet banana seems odd, but who am I to guess.
Aerick
02-08-2011
Originally Posted by mrkite77:
“Come to Tucson. There are a whole host of restaurants here that serve that abomination.

"Best menudo" is actually a category in the yearly Best of Tucson competition:
http://www.tucsonweekly.com/tucson/b...Of?oid=2209505”

I wish we got decent Mexican food in Hawaii. Oh they try, but nothing compares to the southwest and or San Diego areas...

Can't find a solitary bowl of Pozole anywhere on island.
Aerick
02-08-2011
Originally Posted by GrimmGhost:
“I'm sure Cranberry sauce with Turkey is of North American origin. As a kid, when in the UK, Cranberry sauce was unheard-of.

As for Pineapple with Gammon I'm not sure but I think it's an American original too. I know in early Colonial America Pineapple motifs were commonplace and Pineapple was used in many Colonial American recipes. My American relatives have Baked Gammon for every Easter Sunday dinner. It's cross-cut on the surface to resemble a Pineapple after the ridges get crispy brown and Pineapple rings are pinned to it with cloves and Maraschino cherries at the centers of the rings.

http://www.ehow.com/facts_7461261_pi...oor-mean_.html

Mince pie might be considered a familiar sweet-savory dish in the UK though its origins are Middle-Eastern”

all those are sooooo goood. I love cranberry sauce, and keep in mind for those of you poo pooing it, it's made several different ways. My mother always used a variation of cranberries, oranges and grind it up with something sweet. I have a recipe for a good chutney oriented one with roasted cumin seeds and other spices. It's not all the gelatinous thing in the can ya know?

Love the pineapple roasted on ham. although I had to look up what a Gammon was... Roasting a ham with pineapple and a cherry is no differnet than having a chutney with your meat. Don't understand the indifference by some.
mrkite77
02-08-2011
Originally Posted by Aerick:
“I wish we got decent Mexican food in Hawaii. Oh they try, but nothing compares to the southwest and or San Diego areas...”

Heh, on the other side of that, I'm sure I couldn't find decent poi anywhere around here.
unclekevo
02-08-2011
Originally Posted by BrunoStreete:
“I have Gammon cooked in Coca Cola quite a lot, tastes amazing.”

Yes, the Christmas dinner always has coca cola basted gammon
indianwells
02-08-2011
Originally Posted by mrkite77:
“You left out umami.”

I was waiting for someone to point that out. Yes, I know about umami, but the jury is still out on that one, that's why I said the four "main" tastes.
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