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Old 28-09-2011, 11:37
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To be honest im not sure why the public dont care, they look stunning, their voices are at the top of their game and freedom is a great song, and they promoted quite a bit, I really dont get why this isnt working, the last successful album they released was change, which sold around 600,000 in the UK, just one year later catfights was released and sold about 130,000, how could they have lost 460,000 fans in the space of a year? And ok, the line up change, when they look and sound this good i cant believe people still dont care!
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Old 28-09-2011, 12:03
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I can't understand why they have released it as a free download, it's as though they've just given up.
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Old 28-09-2011, 12:21
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I can't understand why they have released it as a free download, it's as though they've just given up.
The pre sales were obviously not that great and seeing as this song was previewed almost 3 months ago and was only just being released now I can see why it went the way it did.

Best to just start afresh and move on.
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Old 28-09-2011, 14:53
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I still don't get why they didn't mention it is free to download on daybreak...or explain why?..people watching may have wanted to get the song and not know how the hell to get it lol
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Old 28-09-2011, 15:01
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Daybreak performance was amazing. If that had happened after the initial snippet and the release had happened a month after it could have worked!
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Old 28-09-2011, 17:38
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This whole thing sounds like a right mess.
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Old 28-09-2011, 19:04
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I think this Katy B song sounds like the old sugababes so much;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=GxeHjIpbTPg
Can easily picture Mutya or even Amelle giving this some serious attitude. The babes NEED to return to an edgier sound similar to this and lose the trashy bubblegum pop.
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Old 28-09-2011, 19:18
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In the Interview when adrian said "Let's look at where it all began" what did they show? 1.0 onwards?
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Old 29-09-2011, 01:14
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In the Interview when adrian said "Let's look at where it all began" what did they show? 1.0 onwards?
Yes they were all shown on a slot machine picture type thing changing and the voice over said how Siobhán and Mutya LEFT but when it came to Keisha I think he says "no longer a babe" or something!
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Old 29-09-2011, 02:12
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I'm starting to wonder, too - no misdirection can alter the fact that Freedom was THE comeback single. There were posts on Facebook and Twitter urging fans to pre-order (IIRC) and a helluva lot of promo. After radio didn't pick it up and a likely flop was due to happen it's suddenly a buzz single. Whatever.

I expect this line-up can make good music but it's obvious the public are turned off.

It's a dilemma - perhaps if they'd taken a good deal of time out to let the public forget about all the drama we'd be more ready for 4.0, but then they'd have a relevancy issue too. Never has Heidi looked and sounded so good, she should go solo. Amelle has caused problem after problem since her inception and IMO, ruined the band's image.
I always have had mixed feelings about Freedom. Very good production, powerful vocals but it just doesn't gel together. It is a comeback single but it misses that edge and uniqueness in the sound that really set the girls apart from other girlbands. And I agree, Heidi now has the potential for being her own band.
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Old 29-09-2011, 02:34
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No need to roll your eyes about it.Of course their fans and probably not even the band itself knew what the single would be at the beginning of the campaign.It's all about the label.It wasn't released worldwide, it's not preceding any announced album (to call it a lead single, you have to at least know the title and a possible release time period for the album that it's "leading" to).

I agree 100%
I think you're missing the point there. You can't help smiling ironically at the current situation with this single. It is really obvious the single became a free download because it was about to flop but the way the label made it suddenly a buzz single after it was announced for months as a first proper single with the girls doing interviews/promo. It doesn't fool anyone and it's truly embarrassing for the band.
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Old 29-09-2011, 02:43
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To be honest im not sure why the public dont care, they look stunning, their voices are at the top of their game and freedom is a great song, and they promoted quite a bit, I really dont get why this isnt working, the last successful album they released was change, which sold around 600,000 in the UK, just one year later catfights was released and sold about 130,000, how could they have lost 460,000 fans in the space of a year? And ok, the line up change, when they look and sound this good i cant believe people still dont care!
The change of line up certainly must have something to do with it but music/image wise their troubles started with Catfights and spotlights I think. Clearly the album didn't grab the public and with a very poor promotion it fared very badly which is a real shame because it's a very strong album and really shows the maturity of the band and their versatility vocally. However, it felt to me they started to become followers of music trends rather than making music with an edge. And it just carried on with sweet 7. They came back with a sexier image which didn't suit the band at all and their sound was no different than what you heard in radio and of course soon after the release of Get Sexy, the line up debacle happened.
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Old 29-09-2011, 02:47
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I think this Katy B song sounds like the old sugababes so much;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=GxeHjIpbTPg
I've always thought that too. I think it would slot perfectly into One Touch or Angels With Dirty Faces.
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Old 29-09-2011, 03:48
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To be honest im not sure why the public dont care, they look stunning, their voices are at the top of their game and freedom is a great song, and they promoted quite a bit, I really dont get why this isnt working, the last successful album they released was change, which sold around 600,000 in the UK, just one year later catfights was released and sold about 130,000, how could they have lost 460,000 fans in the space of a year? And ok, the line up change, when they look and sound this good i cant believe people still dont care!
i bought Taller In More Ways and Change. I was never a big fan of them before TIMW but really enjoyed the album. I liked Change too, though I didn't play it nearly half as much as TIMW. Then they came out with Girls and I thought it was so cheesy and since then I haven't bought an album from them. I liked Get Sexy and was looking forward to more songs and was thinking of buying the album on the strength of that, then the whole drama with Keisha leaving just put me of the era. I like Jade so it's not like that was the reason I had no interest in Sweet 7, I like Freedom, but again for some reason I know I won't be buying from them.
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Old 29-09-2011, 09:31
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I think you're missing the point there. You can't help smiling ironically at the current situation with this single. It is really obvious the single became a free download because it was about to flop but the way the label made it suddenly a buzz single after it was announced for months as a first proper single with the girls doing interviews/promo. It doesn't fool anyone and it's truly embarrassing for the band.
I don't think I'm missing the point.I am worried too, but I'm not going to say that it's the end of the band just because of a buzz single Remember J Lo's 7th album?She had flopped three times!!THREE flop albums!!When she was about to release her 7th album, she released 3 buzz singles that all flopped WITH promo, she was dropped by her label, the album leaked and everyone thought her career was over and then suddenly she came back with 'On The Floor' and slayed!!If Jennifer Lopez can bounce back after all that humiliation, then the Sugababes can bounce back too...Just saying...

And I never said that the Sugababes will have it easy and that this free deal means nothing about their future...What I HAVE said, though is that the fact that the label wanted to save face shows that they care, so they will give them a fair chance for a lead single, an album launching single and an album and that's enough for me.I'm just trying to add a little positivity in the whole thing and what I'm saying about the label makes total sense.

My point for now is that we can't change what happened with 'Freedom' and as I had said BEFORE it was released, they are trying to achieve too much with it and hence they moved the release date, but people would have got bored of it already.All we can do is wait for the proper single!
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Old 29-09-2011, 09:56
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I haven't said it's the end of the band. But the signs are not good - that's not being "negative". I agree with a poster above about Catfights. Change was the last album I really enjoyed, despite Sweet 7 having its moments.

Mutya leaving affected the band's credibility, which was compounded by their lack of originality on Catfights. It's been a downward spiral since then..

I've been a fan since the One Touch days but seriously, it might be time to put this whole mess to bed and move on.
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Old 29-09-2011, 10:00
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I haven't said it's the end of the band. But the signs are not good - that's not being "negative". I agree with a poster above about Catfights. Change was the last album I really enjoyed, despite Sweet 7 having its moments.

Mutya leaving affected the band's credibility, which was compounded by their lack of originality on Catfights. It's been a downward spiral since then..

I've been a fan since the One Touch days but seriously, it might be time to put this whole mess to bed and move on.
I agree with that and I haven't liked any of their albums a lot since Mutya left too.I am not calling anyone "negative" or "shady", I just think that the whole free deal thing inevitably generates negativity, but I still believe that Sony will do the best they can for the lead single, so I'm just going to wait for this one.That's all...
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Old 29-09-2011, 14:02
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I don't think I'm missing the point.I am worried too, but I'm not going to say that it's the end of the band just because of a buzz single Remember J Lo's 7th album?She had flopped three times!!THREE flop albums!!When she was about to release her 7th album, she released 3 buzz singles that all flopped WITH promo, she was dropped by her label, the album leaked and everyone thought her career was over and then suddenly she came back with 'On The Floor' and slayed!!If Jennifer Lopez can bounce back after all that humiliation, then the Sugababes can bounce back too...Just saying...

And I never said that the Sugababes will have it easy and that this free deal means nothing about their future...What I HAVE said, though is that the fact that the label wanted to save face shows that they care, so they will give them a fair chance for a lead single, an album launching single and an album and that's enough for me.I'm just trying to add a little positivity in the whole thing and what I'm saying about the label makes total sense.

My point for now is that we can't change what happened with 'Freedom' and as I had said BEFORE it was released, they are trying to achieve too much with it and hence they moved the release date, but people would have got bored of it already.All we can do is wait for the proper single!
Well, I didn't read Trevvy's post that way. Can't talk for himself obviously but to me the situation of the lead single becoming a free buzz single a few days before its official release date is truly embarrassing and doesn't look good for the future of a band who's relaunching itself after all the drama with Keisha. There's nothing wrong with releasing a free download of a first single - Coldplay made Violet Hill available to download for free for a limited period and so did Keane with Spiralling and it didn't affect either band's credibility - that's the way it has been done that creates suspicions. And of course everyone can bounce back after a nearly career-end flop, the babes did it themselves with the 2nd line up. But unlike J-lo's or any other act who reached the bottom to get back on top, the Girls are still in a complete mess and need to face the facts and deal with them properly even if it means keeping a low profile for a couple of years and come back with a proper relaunch of the band. My feeling is that either them or the label and management are in complete denial of the current situation and how the drama with Keisha has killed their credibility as a band and they are not prepared to deal with it.
And I agree as well, Mutya's departure made the band much less credible. Since then they became to me much more of a brand than a credible music act.
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Old 29-09-2011, 14:36
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Well, I didn't read Trevvy's post that way. Can't talk for himself obviously but to me the situation of the lead single becoming a free buzz single a few days before its official release date is truly embarrassing and doesn't look good for the future of a band who's relaunching itself after all the drama with Keisha. There's nothing wrong with releasing a free download of a first single - Coldplay made Violet Hill available to download for free for a limited period and so did Keane with Spiralling and it didn't affect either band's credibility - that's the way it has been done that creates suspicions. And of course everyone can bounce back after a nearly career-end flop, the babes did it themselves with the 2nd line up. But unlike J-lo's or any other act who reached the bottom to get back on top, the Girls are still in a complete mess and need to face the facts and deal with them properly even if it means keeping a low profile for a couple of years and come back with a proper relaunch of the band. My feeling is that either them or the label and management are in complete denial of the current situation and how the drama with Keisha has killed their credibility as a band and they are not prepared to deal with it.
And I agree as well, Mutya's departure made the band much less credible. Since then they became to me much more of a brand than a credible music act.
Well, it was definetely not the best thing that could have happened with the buzz single, but as I said, let's just wait for the lead single to judge.Both the label and the girls will prove everyone right or wrong with the LEAD single.We shall just wait and see how this one will be handled to make assumptions about the era.All I know is that 'Freedom' made ME very excited and that it's really genius if someone gives it the time to catch on.Lyrically on point, the melody is amazing, the vocals slay, it's a gem!

When it comes to the Sugababes brand, I LOVE 2.0 more than most girl bands ever, but I've come to terms that we can't have 2.0 again.I lost ALL respect for the Babes when 3.0 started off and it was a burning mess for me, but 4.0 has re-ignited my interest in the whole brand that I had lost since 'Red Dress'!4.0 are not the Sugababes yet, but they are Babes in the making and I really do believe that they are very capable of surprising the fans and non-fans in the future
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Old 29-09-2011, 16:16
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Well, I didn't read Trevvy's post that way. Can't talk for himself obviously but to me the situation of the lead single becoming a free buzz single a few days before its official release date is truly embarrassing and doesn't look good for the future of a band who's relaunching itself after all the drama with Keisha. There's nothing wrong with releasing a free download of a first single - Coldplay made Violet Hill available to download for free for a limited period and so did Keane with Spiralling and it didn't affect either band's credibility - that's the way it has been done that creates suspicions. And of course everyone can bounce back after a nearly career-end flop, the babes did it themselves with the 2nd line up. But unlike J-lo's or any other act who reached the bottom to get back on top, the Girls are still in a complete mess and need to face the facts and deal with them properly even if it means keeping a low profile for a couple of years and come back with a proper relaunch of the band. My feeling is that either them or the label and management are in complete denial of the current situation and how the drama with Keisha has killed their credibility as a band and they are not prepared to deal with it.
And I agree as well, Mutya's departure made the band much less credible. Since then they became to me much more of a brand than a credible music act.
Great post and ITA.
What the babes should have done after the Keisha debacle was stay low for a year or so and put careful planning in how best to relaunch themselves. The whole Sweet 7 era should have been ditched too.
To be honest the whole situation at the time could not have been handled any worse than it was with Keisha being ousted, Jade being snatched in, AAG video being shot all within the space of a few days. It was a complete debacle and showed huge disrespect to the group and their fans by moving things along so quickly. Just shows how money hungry their record label/management are and I'm glad it backfired on them.
They have themselves to blame for damaging the babes' credibility beyond repair. You cannot just oust a key member like that and expect all fans to immediately accept the changes. It was handled terribly.
On top of that we still don't know the real reason Keisha was kicked out. That doesn't help their cause as it still leaves a bitter taste. If she was a complete b*tch they should just say so. Their fans deserve to know.
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Old 29-09-2011, 16:36
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Great post and ITA.
What the babes should have done after the Keisha debacle was stay low for a year or so and put careful planning in how best to relaunch themselves. The whole Sweet 7 era should have been ditched too.
To be honest the whole situation at the time could not have been handled any worse than it was with Keisha being ousted, Jade being snatched in, AAG video being shot all within the space of a few days. It was a complete debacle and showed huge disrespect to the group and their fans by moving things along so quickly. Just shows how money hungry their record label/management are and I'm glad it backfired on them.
They have themselves to blame for damaging the babes' credibility beyond repair. You cannot just oust a key member like that and expect all fans to immediately accept the changes. It was handled terribly.
On top of that we still don't know the real reason Keisha was kicked out. That doesn't help their cause as it still leaves a bitter taste. If she was a complete b*tch they should just say so. Their fans deserve to know.
Why, though?They had 2 flop albums, not 5.EVERYONE can bounce back from 1-2 chart disasters, especially someone like them, who has talent, a strong label, a fanbase and so many classic pop songs under their belt...(but I agree with everything else you said)
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Old 29-09-2011, 19:00
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Why, though?They had 2 flop albums, not 5.EVERYONE can bounce back from 1-2 chart disasters, especially someone like them, who has talent, a strong label, a fanbase and so many classic pop songs under their belt...(but I agree with everything else you said)
I just think the name, Sugababes, has too many negative connotations with it now and that has turned off too many people already which they won't win back. Even radio have pretty much snubbed them (as seen with Freedom).
If they want to be successful, a major relaunch is needed with a brand new name. Simply papering over the cracks isn't good enough as the Sugababes' brand has been damaged beyond repair IMO.
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Old 29-09-2011, 19:17
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I just think the name, Sugababes, has too many negative connotations with it now and that has turned off too many people already which they won't win back. Even radio have pretty much snubbed them (as seen with Freedom).
If they want to be successful, a major relaunch is needed with a brand new name. Simply papering over the cracks isn't good enough as the Sugababes' brand has been damaged beyond repair IMO.
You're probably right.I just wish someone could guarantee that if they change their name, they will get the success that their music and their vocals deserve.Maybe a new name will take away every kind of relevancy they have or just make them rise from their ashes, but noone is sure which of the 2 will happen.And of course if the Sugababes brand is to be put to rest, then I would like them to leave with a bang at least.And of course if it doesn't work for them after all, I'd LOVE Heidi to try and go solo.She HAS to do it!!!
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Old 29-09-2011, 20:53
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If they change their name ..people/press will just go on how they changed the name bla bla..I dont think they can win..we are hardly going to suddenly forget either
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Old 29-09-2011, 20:54
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Wow!!Those are cute!!
Jade interviews Amelle
Heidi interviews Jade
Amelle interviews Heidi
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