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To be honest im not sure why the public dont care, they look stunning, their voices are at the top of their game and freedom is a great song, and they promoted quite a bit, I really dont get why this isnt working, the last successful album they released was change, which sold around 600,000 in the UK, just one year later catfights was released and sold about 130,000, how could they have lost 460,000 fans in the space of a year? And ok, the line up change, when they look and sound this good i cant believe people still dont care!
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I can't understand why they have released it as a free download, it's as though they've just given up.
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I can't understand why they have released it as a free download, it's as though they've just given up.
Best to just start afresh and move on. |
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I still don't get why they didn't mention it is free to download on daybreak...or explain why?..people watching may have wanted to get the song and not know how the hell to get it lol
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Daybreak performance was amazing. If that had happened after the initial snippet and the release had happened a month after it could have worked!
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This whole thing sounds like a right mess.
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I think this Katy B song sounds like the old sugababes so much;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=GxeHjIpbTPg Can easily picture Mutya or even Amelle giving this some serious attitude. The babes NEED to return to an edgier sound similar to this and lose the trashy bubblegum pop. |
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In the Interview when adrian said "Let's look at where it all began" what did they show? 1.0 onwards?
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In the Interview when adrian said "Let's look at where it all began" what did they show? 1.0 onwards?
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I'm starting to wonder, too - no misdirection can alter the fact that Freedom was THE comeback single. There were posts on Facebook and Twitter urging fans to pre-order (IIRC) and a helluva lot of promo. After radio didn't pick it up and a likely flop was due to happen it's suddenly a buzz single. Whatever.
I expect this line-up can make good music but it's obvious the public are turned off. It's a dilemma - perhaps if they'd taken a good deal of time out to let the public forget about all the drama we'd be more ready for 4.0, but then they'd have a relevancy issue too. Never has Heidi looked and sounded so good, she should go solo. Amelle has caused problem after problem since her inception and IMO, ruined the band's image. |
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No need to roll your eyes about it.Of course their fans and probably not even the band itself knew what the single would be at the beginning of the campaign.It's all about the label.It wasn't released worldwide, it's not preceding any announced album (to call it a lead single, you have to at least know the title and a possible release time period for the album that it's "leading" to).
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To be honest im not sure why the public dont care, they look stunning, their voices are at the top of their game and freedom is a great song, and they promoted quite a bit, I really dont get why this isnt working, the last successful album they released was change, which sold around 600,000 in the UK, just one year later catfights was released and sold about 130,000, how could they have lost 460,000 fans in the space of a year? And ok, the line up change, when they look and sound this good i cant believe people still dont care!
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I think this Katy B song sounds like the old sugababes so much;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=GxeHjIpbTPg |
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To be honest im not sure why the public dont care, they look stunning, their voices are at the top of their game and freedom is a great song, and they promoted quite a bit, I really dont get why this isnt working, the last successful album they released was change, which sold around 600,000 in the UK, just one year later catfights was released and sold about 130,000, how could they have lost 460,000 fans in the space of a year? And ok, the line up change, when they look and sound this good i cant believe people still dont care!
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I think you're missing the point there. You can't help smiling ironically at the current situation with this single. It is really obvious the single became a free download because it was about to flop but the way the label made it suddenly a buzz single after it was announced for months as a first proper single with the girls doing interviews/promo. It doesn't fool anyone and it's truly embarrassing for the band.
Remember J Lo's 7th album?She had flopped three times!!THREE flop albums!!When she was about to release her 7th album, she released 3 buzz singles that all flopped WITH promo, she was dropped by her label, the album leaked and everyone thought her career was over and then suddenly she came back with 'On The Floor' and slayed!!If Jennifer Lopez can bounce back after all that humiliation, then the Sugababes can bounce back too...Just saying...And I never said that the Sugababes will have it easy and that this free deal means nothing about their future...What I HAVE said, though is that the fact that the label wanted to save face shows that they care, so they will give them a fair chance for a lead single, an album launching single and an album and that's enough for me.I'm just trying to add a little positivity in the whole thing and what I'm saying about the label makes total sense. My point for now is that we can't change what happened with 'Freedom' and as I had said BEFORE it was released, they are trying to achieve too much with it and hence they moved the release date, but people would have got bored of it already.All we can do is wait for the proper single!
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I haven't said it's the end of the band. But the signs are not good - that's not being "negative". I agree with a poster above about Catfights. Change was the last album I really enjoyed, despite Sweet 7 having its moments.
Mutya leaving affected the band's credibility, which was compounded by their lack of originality on Catfights. It's been a downward spiral since then.. I've been a fan since the One Touch days but seriously, it might be time to put this whole mess to bed and move on. |
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I haven't said it's the end of the band. But the signs are not good - that's not being "negative". I agree with a poster above about Catfights. Change was the last album I really enjoyed, despite Sweet 7 having its moments.
Mutya leaving affected the band's credibility, which was compounded by their lack of originality on Catfights. It's been a downward spiral since then.. I've been a fan since the One Touch days but seriously, it might be time to put this whole mess to bed and move on. |
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I don't think I'm missing the point.I am worried too, but I'm not going to say that it's the end of the band just because of a buzz single
Remember J Lo's 7th album?She had flopped three times!!THREE flop albums!!When she was about to release her 7th album, she released 3 buzz singles that all flopped WITH promo, she was dropped by her label, the album leaked and everyone thought her career was over and then suddenly she came back with 'On The Floor' and slayed!!If Jennifer Lopez can bounce back after all that humiliation, then the Sugababes can bounce back too...Just saying...And I never said that the Sugababes will have it easy and that this free deal means nothing about their future...What I HAVE said, though is that the fact that the label wanted to save face shows that they care, so they will give them a fair chance for a lead single, an album launching single and an album and that's enough for me.I'm just trying to add a little positivity in the whole thing and what I'm saying about the label makes total sense. My point for now is that we can't change what happened with 'Freedom' and as I had said BEFORE it was released, they are trying to achieve too much with it and hence they moved the release date, but people would have got bored of it already.All we can do is wait for the proper single! ![]() And I agree as well, Mutya's departure made the band much less credible. Since then they became to me much more of a brand than a credible music act. |
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Well, I didn't read Trevvy's post that way. Can't talk for himself obviously but to me the situation of the lead single becoming a free buzz single a few days before its official release date is truly embarrassing and doesn't look good for the future of a band who's relaunching itself after all the drama with Keisha. There's nothing wrong with releasing a free download of a first single - Coldplay made Violet Hill available to download for free for a limited period and so did Keane with Spiralling and it didn't affect either band's credibility - that's the way it has been done that creates suspicions. And of course everyone can bounce back after a nearly career-end flop, the babes did it themselves with the 2nd line up. But unlike J-lo's or any other act who reached the bottom to get back on top, the Girls are still in a complete mess and need to face the facts and deal with them properly even if it means keeping a low profile for a couple of years and come back with a proper relaunch of the band. My feeling is that either them or the label and management are in complete denial of the current situation and how the drama with Keisha has killed their credibility as a band and they are not prepared to deal with it.
And I agree as well, Mutya's departure made the band much less credible. Since then they became to me much more of a brand than a credible music act. When it comes to the Sugababes brand, I LOVE 2.0 more than most girl bands ever, but I've come to terms that we can't have 2.0 again.I lost ALL respect for the Babes when 3.0 started off and it was a burning mess for me, but 4.0 has re-ignited my interest in the whole brand that I had lost since 'Red Dress'!4.0 are not the Sugababes yet, but they are Babes in the making and I really do believe that they are very capable of surprising the fans and non-fans in the future
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Well, I didn't read Trevvy's post that way. Can't talk for himself obviously but to me the situation of the lead single becoming a free buzz single a few days before its official release date is truly embarrassing and doesn't look good for the future of a band who's relaunching itself after all the drama with Keisha. There's nothing wrong with releasing a free download of a first single - Coldplay made Violet Hill available to download for free for a limited period and so did Keane with Spiralling and it didn't affect either band's credibility - that's the way it has been done that creates suspicions. And of course everyone can bounce back after a nearly career-end flop, the babes did it themselves with the 2nd line up. But unlike J-lo's or any other act who reached the bottom to get back on top, the Girls are still in a complete mess and need to face the facts and deal with them properly even if it means keeping a low profile for a couple of years and come back with a proper relaunch of the band. My feeling is that either them or the label and management are in complete denial of the current situation and how the drama with Keisha has killed their credibility as a band and they are not prepared to deal with it.
And I agree as well, Mutya's departure made the band much less credible. Since then they became to me much more of a brand than a credible music act. What the babes should have done after the Keisha debacle was stay low for a year or so and put careful planning in how best to relaunch themselves. The whole Sweet 7 era should have been ditched too. To be honest the whole situation at the time could not have been handled any worse than it was with Keisha being ousted, Jade being snatched in, AAG video being shot all within the space of a few days. It was a complete debacle and showed huge disrespect to the group and their fans by moving things along so quickly. Just shows how money hungry their record label/management are and I'm glad it backfired on them. They have themselves to blame for damaging the babes' credibility beyond repair. You cannot just oust a key member like that and expect all fans to immediately accept the changes. It was handled terribly. On top of that we still don't know the real reason Keisha was kicked out. That doesn't help their cause as it still leaves a bitter taste. If she was a complete b*tch they should just say so. Their fans deserve to know. |
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Great post and ITA.
What the babes should have done after the Keisha debacle was stay low for a year or so and put careful planning in how best to relaunch themselves. The whole Sweet 7 era should have been ditched too. To be honest the whole situation at the time could not have been handled any worse than it was with Keisha being ousted, Jade being snatched in, AAG video being shot all within the space of a few days. It was a complete debacle and showed huge disrespect to the group and their fans by moving things along so quickly. Just shows how money hungry their record label/management are and I'm glad it backfired on them. They have themselves to blame for damaging the babes' credibility beyond repair. You cannot just oust a key member like that and expect all fans to immediately accept the changes. It was handled terribly. On top of that we still don't know the real reason Keisha was kicked out. That doesn't help their cause as it still leaves a bitter taste. If she was a complete b*tch they should just say so. Their fans deserve to know. |
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Why, though?They had 2 flop albums, not 5.EVERYONE can bounce back from 1-2 chart disasters, especially someone like them, who has talent, a strong label, a fanbase and so many classic pop songs under their belt...(but I agree with everything else you said)
If they want to be successful, a major relaunch is needed with a brand new name. Simply papering over the cracks isn't good enough as the Sugababes' brand has been damaged beyond repair IMO. |
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I just think the name, Sugababes, has too many negative connotations with it now and that has turned off too many people already which they won't win back. Even radio have pretty much snubbed them (as seen with Freedom).
If they want to be successful, a major relaunch is needed with a brand new name. Simply papering over the cracks isn't good enough as the Sugababes' brand has been damaged beyond repair IMO. |
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If they change their name ..people/press will just go on how they changed the name bla bla..I dont think they can win..we are hardly going to suddenly forget either
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Remember J Lo's 7th album?She had flopped three times!!THREE flop albums!!When she was about to release her 7th album, she released 3 buzz singles that all flopped WITH promo, she was dropped by her label, the album leaked and everyone thought her career was over and then suddenly she came back with 'On The Floor' and slayed!!If Jennifer Lopez can bounce back after all that humiliation, then the Sugababes can bounce back too...Just saying...