Take what? Why do you think everything has to be an argument? You're not giving your opinion, you have signed up with a generic account and are making ridiculous comments to goad replies.

So what your saying is that you are allowed to say that your phone is the best but no one is allowed to say they aren't . all your doing is continually proving my point about the snobbery of i-Phone users over other just as good if not better phones

No, what I'm saying is that your point is meaningless if you use childish names to describe things. I thought that was rather obvious.

Just my personal opinion of Apple products I think they are overhyped and as I said I belive there are better and cheaper products in the market

Certainly with computers, which basically are the same parts as anything else just in a fancy Apple design with MacOS, that point is valid. There may well be better/cheaper phones but the iPhone is still a pretty decent piece of kit - I've never had an issue with mine (iTunes on the other hand...).

It still remains that Steve Jobs is the creative and driving behind the company as was proved when they had to bring him back when they nearly went bump after they forced him out and as I said in my original post with his terminal illness I can see them rushing out the i-Phone 5 before he dies and it will have a lot of unresolved issues with either the hardware or software just so they can cash in and I feel it could be the final nail in their coffin as well if you excuse the rather unfortunate term

What nonsensical drivel.

Your opinion but isn't he supposed to have Pancreatic Cancer and had a Liver transplant and hasn't their share price admittedly along with a lot of others dropped drastically since he went off sick in January ? , lets see what happens in 12 months

Pointless post.

Very nieve to the mobile Market. So you have an 8mp camera well first off the next generation iPhone is likely to have that. The 5mp camera on the IPhone 4 is industry respected as one of the best cameras in a phone. If you are a keen photographer would know optics matter more than mega pixels. Remember it has 720p HD recording which older generation phones from two years go do not have. Needless to say camera phones are much better today than two years ago. iOS5 will add new camera features too.

Yes the app store is an attraction. Smart phones these days are focused round it Apple offers the best experience. iPhone 4 is well built, quality materials, takes good photos, great sound as an iPod, retina display is clearer than the current IPad 2 or any smart phone. You can see why they never had to rush out a new model as it's streets ahead.

The difference is the 3GS was poorly featured and was more a fashion phone. iPhone 4 has and still is the best smart phone thats why it's popular. Nobody cares about SD card support and Bluetooth or fm radios after owning an iPhone. Other manufactures are going the way of Apple now anyway.

Move with the times. If you don't like the iPhone buy another phone but personal taste does not detract from the facts it's a good phone.

What makes phones any different?
We have all the same parts manufactured by Samsung and others. TSMC may eventually fabricate the most chips, just like they do for AMD.

As for Apple changing when SJ leaves us I doubt it. They have a reasonably obvious corporate path which hardly needs to change whatsoever.

And yes ideal thread for the anti apple brigade.

Posted by Linkinpark875

"retina display is clearer than the current IPad 2 or any smart phone. You can see why they never had to rush out a new model as it's streets ahead."

Kind of proves my point doesn't it , if the i-Phone 4 which is 2 years old has a better retina display than the i-Pad 2 which is only a few weeks old surely they have either cut corners on the i-Pad 2 or rushed it out and I fail to understand your comment about SD card support if it can offer up to 32 Gb more storage for your photos or music/videos why wouldn't people be interested in it surely one of the features of a smartphone is that it can replace you camera and mp3 or mp4 players !

Pointless post.

Camera buffs are as likely to buy a smartphone with optical zoom.
That Altek one is 14MP with 3 X optics.
Its horses for courses of course, as with all technology.

Well Seanie(:, the Apple iPhone is heavily advertised, it is well designed and it is an apparently a 'cool' item to have and if people want to buy it at the large price they sell at then that's up to them.

I would never buy any item because it was trendy or popular and the most important thing for me is that an item is reliable and functions properly. I'm quite happy with my current Android mobile as it makes calls, sends txts, checks the weather on the internet and has Google Sky Map .

If you're happy with your current mobile, Seanie(:, then by all means keep it and use it and don't be swayed by what's hip and trendy - leave that to all the 'meh' style sheep out there!

Where on earth have you pulled this from! The camera on the iphone 4 is well known to be terrible!! Horrible colours, over saturation etc etc.


Only the 720p recording it features is not very good at all. Adequate but not good.

My Desire HD did 720p and my Galaxy S2 does 1080p very well indeed.


On the iphone itself yes, i agree however, using itunes....no. But in saying that, the new updated Android market place is superb.


Wrong wrong and more wrong lol!!

Sound quality wise its awful. Same as the ipod. They scrimped on that aspect of the devices. As for the Retina display, i think it was overrated. It is lovely however i was hard pushed to tell the difference between it and the screen on my Desire HD. As for the screen on the Galaxy S2, well its much better than the iphone 4's.


Have to agree, It was an appalling phone.


Now you seriously don't believe that do you? The Desire HD walks all over the iphone 4 and the Galaxy S2 absolutely trashes it.


No, they are not. What they are doing is adding in more RAM but every single manufacturer is adding in SD support apart from Apple. Its only apple users who dont care. Like they didnt apparently care about SD support on macbooks but guess what!! They have them now!

Bluetooth, well i don't use it much but it came in handy last night for me and a pal. Couldn't do that if i still had my iphone! FM radio, well every manufacturer seems to be adding them so i guess your wrong!


Moving with the times would be to get a better phone than the iphone 4 which would be any up to date phone.

When the iphone 4S/5 comes out the tables will once again turn in apples favour. Then of course competitors will come out with better again and so the story goes on.......

Its a not bad phone. But its simply not the best by a long shot.

Well the thread has gone the usual way..............with the usual suspects!!

I woudn't necessarily say that as debate is what this very forum is all about. If people want to buy a stylish iPhone then that's up to them and if they want to buy a versatile Android mobile, go for a Windows 7 phone or stick with their existing mobile which has still serves them well then that's all well and good too.

An iPhone may indeed be good but I won't buy one because I regard the price as excessive for what it offers even though I could afford to buy one tomorrow.

I"m not going to throw my hat into the ring for either side, except for accuracy Microsoft don't actually make many PC's

As for Galaxy outselling iPhone 2 to 1. Do you have statistics? It would appear they are selling approximately equally.

"According to a Bloomberg report, Strategy Analytics is predicting Samsung's second quarter smartphone sales to range between 18m and 21m, pushing it past Nokia's 16.7m handsets and rivalling Apple's 20.3m iPhones sold."

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/368878/s...artphone-sales

Share price has dropped since he went off sick in January?

No. Completely wrong. Apple hit it's highest ever price late in July. Regardless of what you think of Apple as a company, they're making a shed-load of money and they're one of the most valuable companies in the world right now.
Source: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/0...billion-to-go/

You're welcome to your opinions on their phones and other products, but based on their financials, they're doing very well.

The shares did drop but came back when he announced he was coming back.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12218590

There's a bit of a size difference between the iPhone 4's display and that of the iPad 2...

Just because Apple was able to launch the iPhone 4 last year (not 2 years ago) with a 3.5" "Retina display" doesn't mean it would easily have been able to also give a 9.7" "Retina display" to the iPad 2 (which is a few months old, not weeks).

Displays of that size and resolution couldn't have been put in the iPad 2 because they didn't exist at the time, and it wasn't until last month that we started seeing reports that Samsung & LG were quality testing 2048x1536 displays for Apple.

exactly.

the short answer is:

'its all about the UI, dummy!

Iain

Sorry, I meant memory card upgrade and not service provider simm.

There are signal problems with all phones but the iPhone does seem to suffer problems more than many others. The question was are 'they' over hyped and the answer is yes they are IMHO. When my children call them a 'chav' phone I believe them, they are more image concious than I and know these things, the iphone is considered very much 'so passe' by many of the bright young things these days.

All I want a phone for is to make a phone call anything else is a bonus so why image is so important is beyond me really but thats the way of things so often these days.

For all people praise the iPhone user interface, I don't like it. I have an iPhone and an android phone and I like the level of customisation the latter allows. I understand that iOS works very well for many people but it isn't to my taste. I get sick of the sight of screens lined with icons because I enjoy having widgets and the like. Only Apple could try and make themselves sound revolutionary for adding the ability to change your wallpaper - in 2010! I also find it astonishing that you can have your entire music collection on the thing, yet you can't set your songs as ringtones. Somebody else commented that they'd never feel as though an iPhone was their phone - that's exactly what I feel about them. It's not my phone, its my iPhone.

I have other niggles. The on-screen keyboard drives me up the wall. Punctuation still being stowed on a separate screen for example. I find HTCs offering far more intuitive. Web browsing, for me, is much better on my Desire. I find it faster at rendering pages and prefer to have text auto wrapped to the screen, rather than scrolling about.

I have no problems with people liking iPhones, but I have to admit it irritates me when people blindly assume them to be the best in every respect. There are plenty of phones that match the iPhone and some that, arguably, better it. Almost all are cheaper and all carry basic functionality that the iPhone lacks.

I was the original apple fanboy, had the 2G,3G and now a 3GS, I've just had a month with a Desire S and have just gone back to my 3GS and I hate it, the entire interface is dated and I don't think these new additions IE notifications bar will make any difference to be honest. The only thing for me an iPhone has over android is the music side of things, Android has many players but vast majority are crap and volume is pityfully low. So I think I am gonna eBay this and get me a Desire S permanently