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UK government to make copying CDs legal?
What does everyone think about the prospects of this? I think it's a terrible move and soon they'll be legalising illegal downloading too! It's completely direspectful to the artist.
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It will never be stopped anyway so yeah they may aswell just legalise it.
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The way I understand it, is that it's becoming legal for the public to make copies for personal use... eg. for in their car, or a copy to take on holiday with them.. not to copy and sell.
I remember coming across an article a couple of years ago saying it was illegal for me to copy CDs to my own iTunes library because technically I'm making a pirated copy. Besides it makes no difference anyway because people have been doing that for YEARS, and if people are going to do it to sell the products, then they've also probably been doing that. It's still going to be illegal to sell/provide people with pirated products. |
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The way I understand it, is that it's becoming legal for the public to make copies for personal use... eg. for in their car, or a copy to take on holiday with them.. not to copy and sell.
I remember coming across an article a couple of years ago saying it was illegal for me to copy CDs to my own iTunes library because technically I'm making a pirated copy. Besides it makes no difference anyway because people have been doing that for YEARS, and if people are going to do it to sell the products, then they've also probably been doing that. It's still going to be illegal to sell/provide people with pirated products. I think that this is already allowed in America under the fair use rules. So if America allows this then there is no reason for the UK to do the same. |
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I didn't realise it was illegal to put a physical copy on iTunes and transfer it to an iPod.You learn something new everyday. |
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It's mentioned in this BBC article and just being discussed on ITV news as I type this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14372698 |
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HMV will shut down for good.
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You could never combat people copying cd's anyway and all this means is a likely increase in ticket/merchandise prices and (most likely) increased drm on digital downloads to "compensate" for their losses
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The way I understand it, is that it's becoming legal for the public to make copies for personal use... eg. for in their car, or a copy to take on holiday with them.. not to copy and sell.
I remember coming across an article a couple of years ago saying it was illegal for me to copy CDs to my own iTunes library because technically I'm making a pirated copy. Besides it makes no difference anyway because people have been doing that for YEARS, and if people are going to do it to sell the products, then they've also probably been doing that. It's still going to be illegal to sell/provide people with pirated products. |
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The way I understand it, is that it's becoming legal for the public to make copies for personal use... eg. for in their car, or a copy to take on holiday with them.. not to copy and sell.
I remember coming across an article a couple of years ago saying it was illegal for me to copy CDs to my own iTunes library because technically I'm making a pirated copy. Besides it makes no difference anyway because people have been doing that for YEARS, and if people are going to do it to sell the products, then they've also probably been doing that. It's still going to be illegal to sell/provide people with pirated products. |
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Whenever theres no sensational news to report the bbc asks the government for the latest changes to legislation and the bbc words the news in a way to make the slightest none story a story. This is one of those occasions it has ALWAYS been LEGAL to make copies for personal use (like you might want to make a back up copy incase yours breaks) but the rules only applied to HARD COPIES LIKE VHS TO DVD OR CASSETTE TO CD the new legislation is purely to make it Legal to make DIGITAL copies for personal use.
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I think that this is already allowed in America under the fair use rules. So if America allows this then there is no reason for the UK not to do the same.
Strange laws, I have to say... and ah 1TrueNorth thanks for clearing that up, that's what I was thinking - but as I say, it's daft making it legal only now when people have used digital music players for YEARS and there's always been an option to import music to your computer. |
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So many people are saying they thought they could do this anyway.I wonder how many of them were those devout anti piracy people.
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I don't see the big deal.Everyone was already copying cds and then a big percentage of them uploaded it/shared it on one of those sites.Nothing has changed, it's just that now they'll do it with the government's compliments, which is undeniably a big factor in terms of morals, but practically I don't see a vast change.
The only bad news is that they blocked the DEA and I don't know why they would do that.It seemed to be working... |
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This is not so much of a change in the law in real terms, as there had never been any practical enforcement of the original legal position in terms of copying items onto digital storage devices for personal use.
The existing IP legislation simply hadn't been written with technology such as mp3 players and such in mind, this just cleans things up. |
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What does everyone think about the prospects of this? I think it's a terrible move and soon they'll be legalising illegal downloading too! It's completely direspectful to the artist.
People have been copying albums off their mates or whoever for years. Just because the government is making it legal doesn't mean that it wasn't going on before. When I was at school one of my mates bought 'Hysteria' by Def Leppard. He lent it to me and I recorded it on cassette. I think he lent to about 5 or 6 other people. About illegal downloading. What's the difference between 'illegally' downloading a song or recording a song off the radio onto a tape which we were all doing 25 years ago. Nobody made a big meal of it then. |
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The way I understand it, is that it's becoming legal for the public to make copies for personal use... eg. for in their car, or a copy to take on holiday with them.. not to copy and sell.
I remember coming across an article a couple of years ago saying it was illegal for me to copy CDs to my own iTunes library because technically I'm making a pirated copy. Besides it makes no difference anyway because people have been doing that for YEARS, and if people are going to do it to sell the products, then they've also probably been doing that. It's still going to be illegal to sell/provide people with pirated products. Some thing just don't make sense.... Too many loop holes for it to be 'illegal' and impossible to police, just like illegal downloading. Pirating is illegal and even that's tough to police as it is! |
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I am hoping this shift will mean a simple DVD to I pod converter will be available free, or even become part of I tunes to upload ypur DVD's to your I pod.
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Everyone has done this without a second thought for about 10 years, it'll change nothing. It will not increase piracy because it happens anyway - no one cares that it's illegal.
It's actually a good thing - instead of making ridiculous laws about clamping down on file-sharing it's good to see that someone understands that the way society functions around music is what keeps the industry going, not everyone personally seeking out music and buying it themselves. You can't buy word of mouth, and you also can't buy trust. If people couldn't listen to at least a little bit of music for free or show their friends without fear of prosecution, any artist with less than X Factor level of promotion would fail within months. It works both ways you see - if an artist is willing to let a bootleg Youtube copy go un-noticed, a lot of people will listen, like it, and be happy to pay for a copy. Mutual respect is the key. |
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I didn't even know it was 'illegal'. So when you buy a CD, it's supposedly illegal for you to burn it and have a file copy and then to transfer to a device? If it was illegal, then they'd make the CDs with copyright imprinted into the disc, so that it was impossible to burn - that must also mean that software (such as WMP) must also be illegal, for having the burn and rip and sync functions?
Some thing just don't make sense.... Too many loop holes for it to be 'illegal' and impossible to police, just like illegal downloading. Pirating is illegal and even that's tough to police as it is! When computer technology developed so that coping music off CD’s became easy some music companies tried to add copy protection to CD’s. However some CD players would not play these CD’s and the companies had to abandon copy protection and go back to the standard CD format. |
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Everyone has done this without a second thought for about 10 years, it'll change nothing. It will not increase piracy because it happens anyway - no one cares that it's illegal.
It's actually a good thing - instead of making ridiculous laws about clamping down on file-sharing it's good to see that someone understands that the way society functions around music is what keeps the industry going, not everyone personally seeking out music and buying it themselves. You can't buy word of mouth, and you also can't buy trust. If people couldn't listen to at least a little bit of music for free or show their friends without fear of prosecution, any artist with less than X Factor level of promotion would fail within months. It works both ways you see - if an artist is willing to let a bootleg Youtube copy go un-noticed, a lot of people will listen, like it, and be happy to pay for a copy. Mutual respect is the key. |
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The trouble is that there are loads of people who abuse this trust and download music without any intention of paying for it.
It's best to just take it as read that people steal music and concentrate on keeping those remaining who do pay for it. |
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I was pretty bemused about this when someone pointed out to me that copying a CD into my itunes was illegal. Good that the government is changing the law about it. I doubt anyone is ever prosecuted anyway.
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I don't see the big deal.Everyone was already copying cds and then a big percentage of them uploaded it/shared it on one of those sites.Nothing has changed, it's just that now they'll do it with the government's compliments, which is undeniably a big factor in terms of morals, but practically I don't see a vast change.
The only bad news is that they blocked the DEA and I don't know why they would do that.It seemed to be working... At the moment if you purchase a CD, for example, and them rip the CD to a hard drive that you own, whether it is a PC or an MP3 player, that is technically illegal. It always has been. The change in the law will mean that will now be perfectly legal, provided you own the original CD and the electronic copy you make is for your own personal use. Uploading the copy to a file sharing service will still be illegal as will downloading copyrighted material from a file sharing service. And for the record, not everyone is illegally file sharing. |
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HMV will shut down for good.
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I didn't realise it was illegal to put a physical copy on iTunes and transfer it to an iPod.