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Old 08-08-2011, 02:18
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Personally I hope they don't go 16:9 widescreen for the episodes. That's not how they were ever meant to be shown and you can guarantee there will be parts with crew/equipment visible in the shots if they were to widen the view.
I think TNG's original aspect ratio is 1.33:1, so you might get some extra detail at the sides, but it's unlikely to be a full 1.78:1 job.
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Old 08-08-2011, 02:43
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It was made in NTSC, so I don't see the point of Blu Ray.
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Old 08-08-2011, 07:16
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It was made in NTSC, so I don't see the point of Blu Ray.
It was filmed on 35mm film just like Hollywood films, it was then transferred to video for editing and to add effects.

They will go back and re-scan the 35mm print, and re-do the effects from scratch, just like the did with the original series blu-ray set.

It will look stunning if done properly.
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Old 08-08-2011, 09:28
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I hope if they go ahead with this TNG BR set it sells really well. Even though it doesn't interest me, I'm longing for DS9 on BR. If Next Gen tanks then that will scupper any chance of a Deep Space release.
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Old 08-08-2011, 09:35
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Just imagine Voyager in HD!

(OK, not quite the same is it)

Just imagine those classic TNG episodes in HD!

Even the one about the lift will seem more interesting.
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Old 08-08-2011, 09:48
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Just imagine Voyager in HD!

(OK, not quite the same is it)

Just imagine those classic TNG episodes in HD!

Even the one about the lift will seem more interesting.
Wesley Crusher in HD? I imagine he will be as annoying as ever.
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Old 08-08-2011, 12:27
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Now if DS9 was ever released on BR I would definitely go for that.
totally. I hope TNG does well enough that DS9 gets done. I probably wouldn't bother with TNG personally. although I might get it in hopes that by doing so there is more of a chance for DS9.

As to the OP, BOBW going without saying. Yesterday's Enterprise is great and that could be there too. There would need to be one with plenty of action though to highlight the quality of BR. so space battles and all that. not sure what the best battles were though, so long since I watched TNG.
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Old 08-08-2011, 13:33
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I'd rather they just released some best of compilations with TNG. There's definitely a lot of great episodes I'd love to see in HD, but there's an awful lot of crap ones too, which I probably wouldn't watch, even on Blu. Being a mug though, I'll probably end up buying it again...
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Old 08-08-2011, 13:56
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I'd rather they just released some best of compilations with TNG. There's definitely a lot of great episodes I'd love to see in HD, but there's an awful lot of crap ones too, which I probably wouldn't watch, even on Blu. Being a mug though, I'll probably end up buying it again...
If a remastered Best of Both Worlds came out I might be tempted to buy it - but frankly with the whole series on DVD I'm loathed to buy them all again.
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Old 08-08-2011, 19:02
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Thinking about the FX work, if they are lucky they still have all the CGI models that were used in the later seasons of DS9 (for the big battle sequences during the Dominion War). I always remember how much cooler the Galaxy-Class looked there than it did in TNGs old optical shots. They also have models of all the other major ships they'd need. That would save a lot in preparing new FX sequences.

To be honest, the new FX shots in the TOS HD release only worked because the old effects were so terrible. They weren't up to the standards set in DS9, VOY or ENT in terms of CG and I don't really think they were up to the standards of much of TNGs model work, either. So whatever they do needs to be better than that.

As for whether it would work converted to 16:9, I remember in an old production book I had, they actually shot TNG using cameras that were marked out for both 4:3 and 16:9. Obviously, the episodes were intended for 4:3, but the whole point it was mentioned was because they were trying to shoot it with a possible conversion to 16:9 in the future. It's a shame they weren't as forward-thinking when it came to mixing the FX on video, but it does mean that we might be able to get 16:9 episodes without them looking stupid!

Also, I'd add that The Digital Bits (where this information seems to originate) are usually very reliable with their rumours. If they say its being worked on, it probably is.
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Old 08-08-2011, 19:06
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Thinking about the FX work, if they are lucky they still have all the CGI models that were used in the later seasons of DS9 (for the big battle sequences during the Dominion War). I always remember how much cooler the Galaxy-Class looked there than it did in TNGs old optical shots. They also have models of all the other major ships they'd need. That would save a lot in preparing new FX sequences.

To be honest, the new FX shots in the TOS HD release only worked because the old effects were so terrible. They weren't up to the standards set in DS9, VOY or ENT in terms of CG and I don't really think they were up to the standards of much of TNGs model work, either. So whatever they do needs to be better than that.

As for whether it would work converted to 16:9, I remember in an old production book I had, they actually shot TNG using cameras that were marked out for both 4:3 and 16:9. Obviously, the episodes were intended for 4:3, but the whole point it was mentioned was because they were trying to shoot it with a possible conversion to 16:9 in the future. It's a shame they weren't as forward-thinking when it came to mixing the FX on video, but it does mean that we might be able to get 16:9 episodes without them looking stupid!

Also, I'd add that The Digital Bits (where this information seems to originate) are usually very reliable with their rumours. If they say its being worked on, it probably is.
If DS9 was made to fit 16:9 TVs I would need some expert reviews on the net to convince me to go for it. I would not buy until I was absolutely sure that it was OK. And that would include screen caps to verify any positive reviews. I would be very wary of widescreen BluRays
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Old 08-08-2011, 19:19
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TNG has aged very badly but i would like to see new life breathed into it.

If TNT a few years ago were willing to pay $1 million per episode I can't even begin to imagine how much money it must have made over the years. Redoing the SFX shouldn't be that big a job they just incredibly time consuming.

But seeing as you could have a small team working on this with no TV schedule deadline to work toward it could be a very good package.

However if they do DS9 I would buy it in a heartbeat.
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Old 08-08-2011, 19:20
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I'd bet money that they have the original compositing material archived, not to mention original scenes with nothing but green screen...Either way, it's all exciting stuff.
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Old 08-08-2011, 19:48
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As much as I'd love a disc with, say, Yesterdays enterprise and BoBW, I really can't see them putting all their eggs in one basket. It's more likely they'll give us something to wet our appetites rather give us the main course.

Thinking about some season 1 episodes, The Arsenal of Freedom and Where No One Has Gone Before would look great remastered in HD with new FX. Also it'll be great to watch proper Conspiracy parasites rather than that pink playdough thing...not to mention an updated head exploding scene.
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Old 08-08-2011, 19:53
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As much as I'd love a disc with, say, Yesterdays enterprise and BoBW, I really can't see them putting all their eggs in one basket. It's more likely they'll give us something to wet out appettitecesthr than the main course.

Thinking about some season 1 episodes, The Arsenal of Freedom and Where No One Has Gone Before would look great remastered in HD with new FX. Also it'll be great to watch proper Conspiracy parasites rather than that pink playdough thing...not to mention an updated head exploding scene.
The first transfers are thought to be the first few episodes of season 3.
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Old 12-08-2011, 16:52
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Digital Bits are speculating that there may be an announcement by CBS over the weekend.

Creation's annual Star Trek convention kicks off in Las Vegas tomorrow to celebrate the franchise's 45th year.

Would seem to be the ideal time.
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Old 19-08-2011, 01:51
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Looking at it, folk are saying they don't want it "cropped" to 16:9.....surely 4:3 is actually cropped from 35mm picture size, wouldn't it just be the same image, but with more image to the left and right.

Surely 16:9 is nearer to what was filmed rather what we got, which was the sides hacked off to fit onto 4:3 tellies?
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Old 19-08-2011, 09:01
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Going from memory on what I've read about this, due to how they shot it yes you could get something beyond 4:3, but it wouldn't be 16:9, and the outer edges would almost certainly capture things like boom mics and things that would need to be digitally removed. Obviously that wouldn't be outside the realms of possibility, however I suspect that they'll go down the route of sticking with 4:3.

People who're saying that they don't want it cropped are basically saying that they don't want what they see on the BDs to be any different to what they saw on the old shows, ie. 4:3 rather than forced 16:9 where you'd actually lose picture over the old version.

No news from the Creation convention, they're now speculating that there may be an announcement on September 28th - the 24th anniversary of Farpoint airing.
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Old 19-08-2011, 09:36
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In general, ST:TNG imagery is perhaps not as respected as ST:TOS was/is.

The classic series had a certain visual quality that TNG lacked, TNG being essentially similar to any other 80s TV show in terms of lighting/direction. The acting/stories made TNG work rather than it's visuals, apart from the Enterprise externals of course which was a classic design.

And what they did visually has also dated badly unlike the classic show which worked asthetically in a sort of retro sense for decades.


So if there is unused 35mm imagery left/right (quite likely) then minimal cropping top/bottom on the HD scan could produce a very nice look that could come to actually redefine TNG visually.
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Old 07-09-2011, 22:39
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Digital Bits has followed up on news originally posted on a German website that the TNG Sampler disc will be released in Germany on the 15th December.

Episodes included are Encounter at Farpoint, Sins of the Father and The Inner Light.

Encounter at Farpoint is a logical choice, it's the first episode and there's plenty of FX that will benefit from being remastered. The Inner Light is a sound choice as well, given that it's a hugely popular episode. Not sure about Sins of the Father though, bit of an odd choice.

They're expecting an official announcement tomorrow - it's TNG's 25th anniversary tomorrow so that would make sense.
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Old 28-09-2011, 18:57
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First official bits of info and probably exactly what fans wanted

http://www.startrek.com/article/the-...launch-in-2012

CBS is, in fact, returning to the original film negatives, a mother lode of material encompassing 25,000-plus reels of footage, and editing the episodes together precisely as they were when they originally aired between 1987 and 1994. Visual effects will not be upconverted from videotape, but instead will be recompositioned. The freshly cut film will ultimately be transferred to high definition with 7.1 DTS Master Audio. And all of the work is being done in conjunction with respected, longtime Star Trek figures Denise and Michael Okuda, who are on board as consultants.
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Old 29-09-2011, 00:19
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Now if DS9 was ever released on BR I would definitely go for that. I would gladly sell my DS9 DVDs and go for those on BR
I love DS9, but I don't know if I love it THAT much. Think I'll stick with my DVDs instead of re-buying all 7 seasons again.

Now, if they released some of the major Dominion War episodes on Blu Ray, along with classics like Duet, that would tempt me. Would be interesting to see if they would redo the SFX on them.
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Old 29-09-2011, 12:44
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Digital Bits has followed up on news originally posted on a German website that the TNG Sampler disc will be released in Germany on the 15th December.

Episodes included are Encounter at Farpoint, Sins of the Father and The Inner Light.

Encounter at Farpoint is a logical choice, it's the first episode and there's plenty of FX that will benefit from being remastered. The Inner Light is a sound choice as well, given that it's a hugely popular episode. Not sure about Sins of the Father though, bit of an odd choice.

They're expecting an official announcement tomorrow - it's TNG's 25th anniversary tomorrow so that would make sense.
Sins of the Father is in my top 10 eps of TNG and basically kicked off all the Klingon political stuff that would run through the series and in particular DS9,would love to see that in HD.
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Old 29-09-2011, 15:51
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Glad to see this is now official, though I am a bit disappointed they seem to be going to use the old optical footage for the spacecraft shots. I was hoping for a TOS-style new SFX revamp. The CGI Galaxy-class model from DS9 was pretty stunning.

The old model (particulalry the six-footer used in the first 2 seasons and during The Best of Both Worlds for the saucer separation scenes) is not very detailed and I worry it will look cheap when seen in 1080p. There was a reason they completely overhauled the detailing on the model when they made Generations. It really needed it. I guess re-doing all the exterior model work with high-quality CGI wuld have been too expensive considering they'd need to do it to 178 episodes!

However, I am going to assume they will have to re-do all the FX shots such as phaser beams and transporter effects, as these were all composited onto the picture on video tape. Unlike the footage of the model work, these elements are unlikely to exist as separate film elements that can be used. So at least we should hopefully see some improved work in that area.

Now if they can only digitally remove Wesley from every episode, I'll be very happy!
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Old 19-10-2011, 03:31
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Although i'm still looking forward to this, the shine has been taken of it with the news it will be 4:3.

There should be a 16:9 for this as well, and i don't mean a stretched/cropped version, i mean the negative should be scanned in 16:9.

ALL televisions that it will be views on will be 16:9.

I may buy this...depending on what else is on the disks, if it had been 16:9, i would have been queing up to part with my money.

I expect we will get a cropped version for TV at some point, which will be 16:9, which will get all the framing messed up,,,,god they really dropped the ball with this one for me.
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