Will be interesting to see the Match of the Day 2 rating in the morning, with it being a Bank Holiday in the morning, there's no reason for people to go to bed early so a high 4m rating I think is possible.

I Think Match of the day will do well tonight. Alot of Goals were scored today and Also with Alex Ferguson having his first BBC Interview for 7 years i think it should get a good rating

I always think that a remake of Bob's Full House or Knightmare would be a good fit in this slot.

im not sure Bingo is right

that said

Winner Takes All looks like a format that could do well on saturday night, even a Lottery format.

Absolutely - Five were beginning to turn things around before Desmond took over and certainly getting some respect for their output - but that's all gone over the last 12 months. Nobody wants to work for Daily Star TV.

...or Sky Sports 3 for Football First: Match Choice. Sarah-Jane Mee looks better in a dress than Colin Murray
Not surprisingly they are showing extended highlights of Man Utd vs Arsenal now.

Funny how people react to Dr Who ratings - I am not sure who watches it, young teens, older males, families. All is know is any show scoring 6m+ is doing better than most. The fact it timeshifts so well is also important - okay it is not in New Tricks range but it ought be 3rd in BBC1 top 10 for the week.

TXF is a family show, a pretty poor one to be honest, but easy viewing for families - laugh at the out of tune 'auditionees' (ie producer plants), be amazed at the decent singers (ie producer plants.) then listen to the scripted comments - always finish when possible with best act of night (ie a male teen or a boy band for teens to swoon over.)

I think X-Factor is also lazy viewing, you can have it on the back ground, and pay it alot of attenion, you get what Simon Cowell considers to be music in the backgroud, and at the audition stage, you can focus on it for 2 or 3 minutes, and then loose focus, but still feel like youve watched something, be it a good audition, a bad audtion, or a montage of average auditions. Great for people with short attention spans.

Doctor Who as has been said before, has episodes where it requires no lees than your total attention, to give you a fighting chance of understanding what is going on.


unless ive miss understood Sky Sports, I would say that is hardly a surprise and goes without saying.

Predictably hopeless ratings.

Athletics is a sport which depends almost entirely on casual viewers - it has very few hardcore fans.

I know certain people on here don't like the phrase "default viewers". I agree people don't watch a channel automatically by default but I think it's certainly true that people CHECK what is on certain channels first (ie BBC1 and to a slightly lesser degree ITV1) and if they like what they see they stick with it and don't bother checking what's on other channels.

Take a programme like The One Show. What would it get on C4 or C5? I would have thought massively less than it gets on BBC1.

I think the World Athletics fits into this category very well. On BBC1 it would do decently (I know last time it was split between BBC1 and BBC2). But on C4 casual viewers are never going to get to it.

Having a totally hopeless presenter certainly doesn't help, nor does it create the impression of a big world sporting event. But in truth it probably hasn't impacted the viewing figures much.

Agreed, I don't understand how people can say C5 is in a good place at the moment when after millions of pounds of "rejuvenation" your getting the likes of OK:TV, The Vanessa Show and The Bachelor. CBB isn't propping up the ratings for the established shows either.

I was very optimistic when Desmond first took over, but at the moment I've been left disappointed with what I have seen so far apart from Walking the Amazon and the continued commitment to the Milkshake brand.


True, but it's an incredibly successful format which gets people talking. ITV is a business at the end of the day.

LOL at all these people who can't cope with the concept of The X Factor doing so well, so have to keep coming up with stories of how the show is crap, the people who watch it are down market chavs etc just to feel superior!

Change the record. The Vanessa Show was cancelled months ago.

You can't say those 2 or 3 shows are typical of Channel 5's output at the moment in the same way I can't say that The Jeremy Kyle Show, Sing If You Can and Gino & Mel are typical of ITV1's output.

Big Brother was about getting the building blocks in place. Now let's see where we go from here. The Bachelor, whether you like it or not, appears to be a hit show.

Correct. BBC One gets away with a stinker every night. :yawn:

I think its true The One Show is alot more likely to flop on other channels, but it does well on BBC One, because its geared towards the BBC audience, an auidence who wants than just the celebrity plugging a book, telling a haha story about life on a TV set, but also a store about Britsh Wildlife, the history of a steam train, or even a consumer story.

The One Show is what it is becasue its on the BBC, it would utterly fail on another channel.

Australia: 1.76m for ep 3 of Underbelly: Razor last night. Packed to the Rafters returned earlier in the week with 1.82m.

It is hard to explain how the formulaic "become a popstar for 15 minutes by singing to backing tapes" format suddenly became a 12-16m ratings juggernaut a couple of years back. It's nothing groundbreaking or "event-worthy", and it's now 10 years this autumn since the Cowellised variant on the theme first hit our screens under a previous name.

And let's face it, even a large number of the people who slavishly watch it, the fanboys excluded, think it's shit and will openly say so if they find themselves in conversation about it.

why dont we have Underbelly over here? if not the Aussie version, a British version, it seems right in ITVs wheel house.

The closest we have is the good Whitechapel.

why are both the daily star and the express saying X Factor lost about 2m viewers

Here are the articles

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...ves-a-turn-off

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/playlist/...-show-suffers/

I can think of a reason

Those publications need to look closer at home...I know it has a fair excuse, but how many viewers did Celebrity Big Brother drop on Saturday night?

Well that's obvious as the whole thing was especially created at much expense to retain the 6-7m mostly older viewers who watch the regional news. No other channel has the same conditions.

That entire excuse used to be thrown at Traffic Cops. That it wouldn't rate well on any other channel.
Currently ITV are airing 5 year old repeats of Cops on Camera and its been their most sucessful Tuesday 8pm show all year. Getting 3m V's 4m for new episodes of Traffic Cops.
Likewise Ch4 launched the darker in tone 'Coppers' last year and it did well for them in a very tough slot and its sister show 24 hours in A&E was got over 3m recently.


Since at least 2003 they have always underperformed on BBC ONE dragging their share down. Which is why they moved it to BBC 2 in 2007/9.
In 2009 All the races were shown live in primetime on BBC 2 and I'm fairly sure all the qualifiers were on BBC 2 as well. They did well for BBC 2 as Usain Bolt was all over the news at the time and British Athletes started winning again.

In 2007 when the the WAC were in Japan and had a very similar a time zone as the current Championship, only one of BBC 2's Highlights show/Live Coverage had over 1.4m for the entire championship!
Barb-WORLD ATHLETICS (WED 1900) 1.53.

The 2003/5 championships were both in European timezones. I can't remember 2005 very well, but what I do remember was that it rained a lot and that it did poorly on both BBC 1 and 2.

IN 2003 for the Paris Championship BBC ONE cleared large parts of their schedule for it, they even moved Mondays edition of Eastenders. All of the ratings were well below the slot averages and the only one who benefited was ITV1.
Looking back at the Barb site the ratings were so low that even the 5.30pm airing of Neighbours and Tuesday Night 10.35 documentary made it into that weeks Top 30!

The 2007 Osaka games are the games that the current championship should be compared to and as I said above the live and highlight figures were extremely poor.

No point having respect if you're not making any money. Desmond bought a loss-making channel for £99m and made £15m profit in the first year.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...re-tax-profits

It didn't take long:

Cheryl and Simon who? Record 11.4m viewers tune in to see X Factor's new line-up.

I would have thought it might have been The Sun, but it's The Daily Mail believe it or not.

The good news for Des is that it's not a comprehensive round-up of the nights ratings - no mention of CBB shedding viewers.

Your ignoring all other factors I take it? Competition, time of the year, Bank holiday etc..

A consistent average of 6.2m/6.3m/6.2m throughout transmission suggests that the majority of the 'potential' audience were able to watch ALL of the episode rather than missing the start and tuning in half way through. Unlike The Impossible Astronaut (Series premiere) which averaged 5.9m/6.5m/6.9m from 6pm.

I remember last year when they were talking about Millions of viewers excitedly anticapting a weekend of Blockbuster entertainment in the shape of the the finale of Don't stop Believing and the return of the X factor