Originally Posted by derek500:
“Based on single showing ratings, true. But Sky doesn't work like that. There's a lot more same week repeats and timeshift viewing (Atlantic's is 43%, and that's only in seven days).
They're now upgrading HD boxes to models that hold 250 hours of programming, so there's hours and hours of viewing that's not picked up by BARB as it's outside the seven day window.”
I know I always say this but can I point out that this is not unique to Sky as Virgin now offer boxes that can hold up to 500 hours of programming. This is NOT just me boasting about the fact I got a Virgin TiVo installed at the weekend, oh no. In addition, as we know, Virgin offer iPlayer, ITV Player, 4oD and Demand 5 for free to most subscribers, which is dead easy to navigate and has a much greater selection of popular programmes than the stuff Sky can be arsed putting on Anytime. And there are box sets and other on demand things as well. Sky's innovations are completely overexaggerated.
In addition, loads of channels offer as many same week repeats as the Sky channels, and we know how hard it is to chase The Simpsons around the schedules. And having planned for the Saturday 8pm Sky 1 repeat of the new episodes of Futurama to be the first thing I record on my TiVo, Sky promptly dropped it, replaced it with a repeat of an older series and moved the new episodes to Sunday on Sky 2. And the other repeats of those episodes - none. Well done.
Originally Posted by EuroChris:
“People will watch the shows that they like regardless of what channel it is on. To say that a channel has a 'core support' sounds ludicrous.
If people aren't watching ITV1, then ITV have only themselves to blame and should offer a better line up of programmes. They can't just shut down for the summer and rely on only a small number of shows every year to see them through.”
The idea that BBC1 benefits from default viewing is ludicrous, the range of programming it offers is so vast you would have to be quite seriously demented to watch and enjoy it all. There may be some shows that succeed due to being the least objectionable viewing available but that is not the same as simply switching it on and mindlessly watching it. It doesn't even benefit anymore from tellies going straight to channel one when you switch them on!
If there was ever a channel that used to benefit from default viewing it was ITV, my grandmother used to have it on all the time in the eighties and Victor Lewis-Smith used to tell the story about how mental hospitals used to have the tellies permanently stuck on ITV because it was considered the only channel unchallenging enough for the patients to happily watch. This theory is absolute rubbish.
Originally Posted by
Servalan:
“Channel 5 had a great original series: Murder Prevention. However, they didn't bother to promote it and slung it out in a graveyard slot. So it flopped. What a surprise.
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Very early on, in 1997, they had another original series in A Wing And A Prayer, a legal drama which was critically acclaimed and even got nominated for a BAFTA, but they ridiculously scheduled the second series at 8pm on Wednesdays, opposite the likes of Midsomer Murders, it got no viewers and was axed.
I think the problem with C5 doing drama is that there's not much it can do which stands out. When they had that much-publicised hike upmarket in 2002, they commissioned a couple of comedy shows, one was God Almighty, a Room 101-esque comedy chat show with Clive Anderson, which was perfectly acceptable and probably just as good as Room 101 itself, but there were already loads of them so it just didn't stand out. Similarly if they were to do AN Other Crime Drama, which A Wing And A Prayer and Murder Prevention both were, they'd be half decent, perhaps, but they wouldn't stand out when BBC1 is doing the same stuff.
What it needs is to find a genre that nobody's tried and they can own. Mad Men is a decent example, that was the first drama by AMC in the US and it gave them a massive profile. I don't mean to say they should do something like Mad Men but something that fits in with their profile, a laddish drama like the Chris Ryan things on Sky, maybe, or a telenovela kind of thing that works alongside Neighbours? I dunno.
Originally Posted by derek500:
“In the old days, it was commonplace for both BBC channels to show sport and children's programmes were just dropped.”
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“I guess they could merge CBBC with Cbeebies for those two weeks.”
They wouldn't do that, it would just confuse everyone, and the success of Cbeebies is that it offers pre-schoool stuff all the time, and no child over six would want to watch a channel that offers Cbeebies stuff. So I don't know what they'll do, but they won't do that.
It wasn't the case that kids shows were dropped for sport, the first time I remember it ever happening was in 1997 when they had the Hong Kong Handover and Wimbledon at the same time, but before that there'd always been an hour or so somewhere, it was absolutely undroppable, so if there was a test match going on during Wimbledon, they'd have to share BBC2 as the kids shows needed to be on BBC1, even if, as was often the case at the time, they were all repeats.
Weekends were a bit different, though, the Saturday morning shows would sometimes be dropped (I remember in the summer of 1992, the Beeb Saturday morning shows were dropped for the Olympics, and ITV were just showing Disney films, and I was bored witless) and of course on Sundays there was usually nothing at all.