|
||||||||
The Ratings Thread (Part 23) |
![]() |
|
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|
|
#101 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 17,541
|
Quote:
Not forgetting Kenny Everett, who many people regard as a Thames star, but who actually achieved his greatest succes with the BBC in the early eighties. It's odd that ITV have done retrospectives on him, but the BBC have ignored him.
|
|
|
|
Please sign in or register to remove this advertisement.
|
|
|
#102 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 5,406
|
Quote:
Wasn't that the Sunday figure? The list is for Saturday nights.
![]() Quote:
It's Saturday's only - that figure was for the Sunday Final Result.
|
|
|
|
|
#103 |
|
Inactive Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 17,742
|
Quote:
I think there was/is some sort of long-running problem with clearing his BBC TV material for repeats in any form.
|
|
|
|
|
#104 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 7,387
|
Quote:
The Harry Potter repeat showing how ITV's summer Saturday entertainment show trio underperformed.Hard to a believe how, a year later, a silly move to Wednesday nights saw the ratings fall under 3m, and the show scrapped.
Another entertainment success for Peter Fincham. ![]() I remember during that series the papers reported Eamonn Holmes was exhausted as he was doing that, Sunrise and This Morning all on the same day, He didn't have to say yes to everything, though, did he? Quote:
I think there was/is some sort of long-running problem with clearing his BBC TV material for repeats in any form.
EDIT: Er, yeah, what was said above. The ITV shows had loads of bands on them, of course, so they're harder to clear than the BBC shows which generally had one easy-to-remove musical act per episode. |
|
|
|
|
#105 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 17,541
|
Quote:
Quite the opposite. Its the BBC shows that run on a loop on the Paramount Comedy Channel (or whatever its called now). The Thames stuff never gets an outing.
|
|
|
|
|
#106 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 17,541
|
Quote:
That Wednesday series was weird, though, it was well after a year since the previous series, I think most people would probably have assumed it had already been axed. Maybe Camelot just asked for a format so they could plug their Olympic tie-in so they dusted that off. It had a decent run on Saturdays anyway.
I remember during that series the papers reported Eamonn Holmes was exhausted as he was doing that, Sunrise and This Morning all on the same day, He didn't have to say yes to everything, though, did he? Quote:
Hmm, I dunno about that because they did get repeated on Paramount a lot and there was also a DVD about ten years ago - and when he died they did a couple of repeats. It might have more to do with the fact that it's one of the few hit comedies in the ITV archives so it gets a disproportionate amount of outings (a la Rising Damp, if that had been on the Beeb it would have been just one of umpteen classic shows). And his ITV shows are better, anyway. Yes, I suppose removing the musical act would be a good way of solving the problem. EDIT: Er, yeah, what was said above. The ITV shows had loads of bands on them, of course, so they're harder to clear than the BBC shows which generally had one easy-to-remove musical act per episode.
|
|
|
|
|
#107 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 10,940
|
Quote:
The point is they both worked extensively for ITV (or what would have been ITV franchisees back in the day) early in their careers. Others did so too.
The reason why a lot of that material doesnt get remembered is because it is so rarely seen. If Robbie, had said their best work was on the BBC I'd have agreed. But he didn't. Their first TV series was Running Wild made by the BBC in 1954, which was a legendary disaster that nearly killed their career. They also starred in a show called Double Six for the BBC in 1957. I don't know whether this one was a hit or a miss. What revived their career after Running Wild, however, was a regular spot (with scripts by Johnny Speight) on The Winifred Attwell Show whih was on ITV in 1956 so maybe this qualifies as their big TV break. It's also true that their ATV series was a very big hit so it was quite a big coup for the BBC to sign them up in 1968. However, when they were on ATV they were a tradiitional double act, in the same vein as Abbott & Costello, Mike & Bernie Winters or Cannon & Ball (dimwitted funny man, bullying bad-tempered straight man) and it was Eddie Braben who lifted them to megastar levels when he became their writer early in their BBC career and revamped their comic personas so that their double act became unique. |
|
|
|
|
#108 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 17,541
|
I don't think I ever saw any of Kenny's ITV shows, but I saw his last two or three BBC series, and I was probably just the right age for them: still a child, so young enough to appreciate all the dressing up and childish jokes, but also old enough to pick up on all the cheeky smut in the scripts.
Although, I can understand that the shows I saw were probably not all that enjoyable to adults. |
|
|
|
|
#109 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Cumbria
Posts: 16,967
|
Quote:
I don't think I ever saw any of Kenny's ITV shows, but I saw his last two or three BBC series, and I was probably just the right age for them: still a child, so young enough to appreciate all the dressing up and childish jokes, but also old enough to pick up on all the cheeky smut in the scripts.
Although, I can understand that the shows I saw were probably not all that enjoyable to adults. |
|
|
|
|
#110 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 20,370
|
Quote:
Oh really, I bet a lot of dads didn't object when Hot Gossip came on. However, you are right that Kenny's humour was more aimed at younger audiences, certainly it was a breath of fresh air after Op Knocks.
I still think Penn & Teller should have had a weekday slot. David Nixon did well in the Thames LE 6.45-7.30pm slot on Mondays as did Whodunnit. |
|
|
|
|
#111 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: West Midlands
Posts: 29,512
|
July iPlayer data now known, only one entry per show:
01 - 1.28m - Top Gear Series 17: Episode 3 02 - 1.12m - The Apprentice Series 7: The Final Episode 14 03 - 0.84m - Torchwood Miracle Day: Episode 1 04 - 0.69m - Adulthood: 20/07/2011 05 - 0.63m - Kidulthood: 14/06/2008 06 - 0.63m - Mock the Week Series 10: Episode 5 07 - 0.58m - Waterloo Road Series 7: Episode 10 08 - 0.57m - EastEnders: 07/07/2011 09 - 0.46m - Angry Boys: Episode 7 10 - 0.43m - Richard Hammond's Journey To...: The Centre of the Planet Episode 1 11 - 0.41m - Cars: 24/12/2010 The top 40 was covered by those 11 shows. |
|
|
|
|
#112 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: nr Peterborough, England
Posts: 48,127
|
saturday nights are a bit dull right now, a bit to predictable.
Bring in Doctor Who. |
|
|
|
|
#113 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Cymru
Posts: 12,702
|
Quote:
I remember during that series the papers reported Eamonn Holmes was exhausted as he was doing that, Sunrise and This Morning all on the same day, He didn't have to say yes to everything, though, did he?
|
|
|
|
#114 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 50,506
|
Quote:
saturday nights are a bit dull right now, a bit to predictable.
Bring in Doctor Who. |
|
|
|
|
#115 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: nr Peterborough, England
Posts: 48,127
|
Quote:
That's becoming predictable too, in fairness. Middling numbers being met with the usual "it'll timeshift well, and iPlayer numbers will be huge" type comments.
|
|
|
|
|
#116 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 12,049
|
Quote:
Not much point arguing with a ranting loon but Morecame & Wise started on ATV. Most of Ronnie Barkers early work was with LWT.
Carry on ranting.. ![]() Ask the man on the street last night what channel they'd associate all the stars featured on last night's show with, including the host, and, with the possible exception of Mitchell and Webb, they'd say BBC for all of them. Quote:
Dont think you watch Jeff Randall much. The main reason its off are:
1) the show is more than just the presenter. The back office support need time off too (editors, producers, etc). Sky has a budget that will be under serious pressure already from the amount of foreign news this year (Libya, Syria, etc) so endless spending isnt an option 2) the show revolves around guest availablity. Since booking guests in the City in August is next to impossible thats another good reason to take time off. 3) much of the show is driven off earings and M&A news - none of that in August either 4) most of the JRL core viewing audience is off too It doesnt mean that Sky is not covering the euro news. But it can be done as part of the regular bulletins as it would be anyway with any rolling story. If its really necessary Jeff Randall can appear as part of the rolling coverage. ![]() ![]() Quote:
This will be music to the broadcasters' ears - long range weather models are predicting a well below average August and September for the UK, as much as 2C cooler in the south:
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/product...3/euT2mMon.gif The long range forecasts have been all over the shop this year, so I wouldn't get too excited. Unless it snows... ![]() Quote:
Quite the opposite. Its the BBC shows that run on a loop on the Paramount Comedy Channel (or whatever its called now). The Thames stuff never gets an outing.
Surely?
|
|
|
|
#117 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Cumbria
Posts: 16,967
|
Quote:
Wasn't it just!! I often wonder why light entertainment is always on weekends now. Early Monday evenings before Corrie was a hotspot for 'big' shows in the sixties and seventies.
I still think Penn & Teller should have had a weekday slot. David Nixon did well in the Thames LE 6.45-7.30pm slot on Mondays as did Whodunnit. Yet as I am becoming more pro ITV than I was a few years ago, they will rightly point out Emmerdale and the Street( nineties nickname) attract 7-9 million viewers and only the Cowell shows make more money for them. Also there is a risk factor in changing this slot, suppose something like Show Me The Funny appears and stiffs big time in the Dale slot. |
|
|
|
|
#118 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Wales
Posts: 1,047
|
Forgot to ask.
Does anyone have the ratings for the England- Wales rugby match on Sky Sports 1 yesterday 1.30pm to 5pm. Also the match average from around 2.30pm until 4.40pm? (Also the repeat that was on Sky Sports 2 at 7pm) Thanks. |
|
|
|
|
#119 |
|
Inactive Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 17,742
|
Quote:
Again, it's a puzzler that. It's like how whenever you see Morecambe and Wise clips, it's always the same handful from the 1970s, and never the stuff from 1979-1984. It's a shame we never see their late ITV stuff dredged up, because there must have been some equally classic era-defining material in there.
Surely? ![]() But I think there is general consensus that Kenny Everetts best tv work was done at Thames. I'm not even sure his Thames shows were networked though, so some of the Granada boys may not even have seen them. |
|
|
|
|
#120 |
|
Inactive Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 17,742
|
Quote:
Also the slot occupied by Emmerdale on Mondays was home to the biggest entertainment show of the seventies, Opportunity Knocks. You used to get loads of decent shows in that slot, Kenny Everett, Wish You Were Here, Sapphire and Steel, Whodunnit, all of which had decent ratings as well. However, until there is a culture change on ITV1 on weekdays, you're likely to be stuck with soaps ad infinitum in this slot.
If you want to go back to diversity on ITV1 I suggest you shoot down the Astra satellite and close all the other digital channels, get Five and 4 shut down and ask the BBC to dumb up
|
|
|
|
|
#121 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 12,049
|
Quote:
But I think there is general consensus that Kenny Everetts best tv work was done at Thames. I'm not even sure his Thames shows were networked though, so some of the Granada boys may not even have seen them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsEFupZZ4X0 (This didn't trigger some life-long ITV hatred, in case you were wondering. At least I don't think it did...) |
|
|
|
#122 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 117,021
|
Quote:
No, I'm told I used to have nightmares as a small boy as a result of Kenny Everett "breaking through" the Thames TV logo at the start of his show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsEFupZZ4X0 (This didn't trigger some life-long ITV hatred, in case you were wondering. At least I don't think it did...) ![]() ![]() ![]() ITV had a good night...for once.They should've ditched their prime time fodder and just aired Harry Potter across it every Saturday, but that's been said already. Ronnioe Corbetty didn't do too badly-around the same figure as Penn and eller but I bet Penn & Teller's demographic is more appealing! BBC One held up well. Casualty seems to be rebuilding it's audience as the year goes on. In It To Win It is always a reliable performer. Con Air performed very well against GoldenEye. Camelot is not the big hit Channel 4 were maybe hoping for. Watchmen was on too late considering it's length. Battle of Britain did reaosnably well, though. Channel 5 struggled in the early evening slot but picked up after 9pm. I guess it's a cheap biut reasonably effective schedule over all. Dad's Army is a consistent performer for BBC Two even 50 years on. The high brow programming certainly suffered compared to the 'entertainment' programmes. |
|
|
|
|
#123 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 10,940
|
Quote:
Dad's Army is a consistent performer for BBC Two even 50 years on. The high brow programming certainly suffered compared to the 'entertainment' programmes. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b009pgsc They're actually listing It's Marty as It's Marty Feldman because Marty is a forgotten star of British comedy and a lot of young people won't know who he was. |
|
|
|
|
#124 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 12,020
|
Quote:
The world has moved on since the day of 3 channel tv (with BBC2 broadcasting the Open University til 6.40pm and then broadcasting shows in primetime that would be too high brow now for BBC4 or Sky Arts).
If you want to go back to diversity on ITV1 I suggest you shoot down the Astra satellite and close all the other digital channels, get Five and 4 shut down and ask the BBC to dumb up ![]()
|
|
|
|
|
#125 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Scotland
Posts: 24,566
|
Holy Moly reporting on Twitter that his first presenting gig on Big Brother's Bit on the Side will be "up against The X Factor launch"
Assuming this means X Factor will launch on Saturday 20th August. Surprising if those two shows end up directly against each other though - are there schedules available yet? |
|
|
![]() |
|
All times are GMT. The time now is 04:20.









