ITV are launching a new documentary stream which I believe is similar to the old First Tuesday type docs.

I think it'll launch on Sunday 4th September, finishing on Sunday 11th September.

X Factor is meant to be having 'extra' audition shows. It currently has six. Having seven just sounds odd, so I suspect they'll have eight. The eight being on:

Ep 1 - 20th August
Ep 2 - 27th August
Ep 3/4 - 3rd/4th September
Ep 5/6 - 10th/11th September
Ep 7/8 - 17th/18th September

With Red and Black on at 21:00 on the 3rd and 10th and Downton Abbey as expected on 17th September. Means that Red or Black gets a X Factor or Corrie lead-in every night and Ross gets an X Factor lead-in so everyone wins.

There is however (still!) the problem of the England game on Tuesday 6th September.... I'm guessing they may have to on that day do:

19:00 - Coronation Street
19:30 - Football
21:45 - Red or Black?
23:00 - ITV News

Because Red or Black is being promoted as 'seven consecutive nights'. Plus, its odd having an England game kick off at 7:45pm on ITV1, suggesting that Red or Black will air afterwards.

Thanks for that.

Yep, the lineup could be something like that, with All Star Family Fortunes at 7pm. However I did read previously that RoB episodes would be 90-minutes each (although they might've changed their minds since then) so Ross might be beginning at 10.30pm.


Yeah, that does seem likely to happen. Only piece of the jigsaw is that drama Appropriate Adult (2 x 90 minute episodes) is supposed to be starting sometime that week or the next as the DVD release date is 12th September and ITV Pictures publicity has already released images of it, indicating it's airing in that period. But I can't see how that'll fit in.

Yes, fair point, must confess I hadn't bothered to check - Dubai ends on Sun 11th Dec.

However there can be unofficial invitation events after that so I wouldn't 100% rule out the accuracy of the story.

Just watched the advert and it says over 7 nights, not 7 consecutive nights so it could be Sunday to Sunday, but missing Tuesday so still 7 nights if that makes sense.

Do we know if Red or Black is two separate shows for definite? The only thing we definitely know for that week is that Coronation Street is on after the watershed.

If Appropriate Adult is also airing that week (and based on the title it sounds like a 9pm drama!) then we can guarantee News at Ten will definitely not be on at 10pm that week, I don't think that would be possible. Surely this maybe their line-up for one day, as I assume Appropriate Adult will be over 2 nights?

19:00 - Emmerdale
19:30 - Red or Black?
21:00 - Coronation Street
21:30 - Appropriate Adult
23:00 - ITV News

From both of their websites.


http://www.darrenclarke.com/tour-schedule.html

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Not definitely, but the ITV Media website a month ago said each night they would have one 60-minute show and one 30-minute show. I guess plans might've changed since then, but that same site was correct about Popstar To Operastar having separate results and other things too. I don't get understand they don't just have one 90-minute show though, as it's not the wisest idea potentially putting a new programme up against EastEnders some days. Once a show is well established like BGT, they can perhaps do it (and even then, EE dents BGT's ratings) but for a brand new show, it's not a wise move.

Hmm, okay. In which case, I wish good luck to the ITV schedulers for that week...

Given the trend started for using that Americanism in the UK by (All New) Total Wipeout then maybe Millionaire should now be retitled All New (with the same old) Celebrity Who Wants to be a Millionaire.

Thanks - well spotted!

DIY SOS peaked with 6.5m last night: http://twitter.com/#!/MrNickKnowles/...54770153979904

Blimey!

They seem to have a lot of stuff for that week. I didn't expect Jonathan Ross to start until 17th September and I thought Appropriate Adult would air over the Bank Holiday weekend. My guess is:

Saturday 3rd: 18:30 Family Fortunes, 19:30 X Factor, 20:30 Red or Black, 22:00 Jonathan Ross

Sunday 4th: 18:30 Holding Out For A Hero, 19:30 Red or Black, 21:00 Appropriate Adult

Monday 5th: 19:00 Emmerdale, 19:30 Red or Black, 21:00 Corrie

Tuesday 6th: 19:00 Emmerdale, 19:30 Football

Wednesday 7th: 19:00 Emmerdale, 20:00 Red or Black, 21:30 Corrie

Thursday 8th: 19:00 Emmerdale, 20:00 Red or Black, 21:30 Corrie

Friday 9th: 19:00 Emmerdale, 19:30 Red or Black, 21:00 Corrie

Saturday 10th: 18:30 Family Fortunes, 19:30 X Factor, 20:30 Red or Black, 22:00 Jonathan Ross

Sunday 11th: 19:00 Holding Out For A Hero, 20:00 X Factor, 21:00 Appropriate Adult

That's about the best way of doing it I think, assuming that Corrie has to go after the watershed. I know Red or Black's start time is variable but I've done it like that so that it avoids a clash with EE on the Thursday and has a half hour headstart on the Monday and Friday, whilst keeping the X Factor lead in on the Saturdays. There is one extra half hour of each soap but with Corrie being a big week there probably will be six episodes and I think Emmerdale is still an episode down from BGT week (not 100% on that though). I can't really see any other way of doing it without throwing something to the lions.

Reviving World in Action would be a huge success, if given the 8pm slot between the two Coronation Streets.

It's a recognised brand, and if money is used to create quality half-hour documentaries about world and domestic issues, without presenter and with just narration, viewers will stick with it.

I have no problem with them running their 9/11 doc before the anniversary....it makes good sense to get in there before everyone else.

My worry about the doc (having read the programme information) is that it doesn't seem to be offering anything new - just an "hour by hour story of the day".

Haven't we seen all that a million times before? Shouldn't they be providing a fresh new angle, as C4 did with "The Falling Man" a few years ago? If they're just giving a straight and well-worn account, I can't see that many people tuning in, especially as it's an hour and a half long.

True dat - The Falling Man was fantastic, and if promoted well on ITV, would've not only got decent ratings, but would've been stored in the archives forever.

Shame that ITV don't seem to want to create anything a little bit original anymore.

Channel 4 have always come up trumps with 9/11 coverage - I seem to remember their news coverage in 2001 was second to none.

That pretty much looks like the way they'll be doing it on the whole! As you've noted, there almost certainly won't be a RoB episode on the Tuesday as the England match kick-off time is at 7.45pm, so they're not gonna be able to fit it on that evening. I can see why they might want to have RoB pre-watershed on weeknights as it's a family show but there is a chance of EE taking away viewers, even if RoB has a head-start. Holding Out for a Hero has been reported to begin on that date so it'll probably start then as you say, but holding it back a week so the launch has an XF lead-out would be better, as 6.30pm is quite an early start time and might make it end up being an instant flop like other light entertainment shows to have launched recently. The possible New Tricks v Corrie battle is going to be very interesting: NT has been rating the higher of the two in recent weeks and will be in its usual slot but I suppose if Corrie has a big storyline running that week it could edge it out. I expect both shows to dent each other though due to quite similar audience profiles. It's a big week for them, that's for sure, they desperately need RoB to be a hit after all the flops they've had in the genre recently.

I hate it when long-duration entertainment shows are stripped across primetime on BBC One or ITV1. I blame Millionaire. Since then, we've had all sorts of stuff: Soapstar Superstar, Just the Two of Us, Only Fools on Horses, Got Talent, Comic Relief Does Fame Academy, Poker Face and now Red or Black. It's unimaginative scheduling and it pushes genres out of primetime far more than any soap manages to.

For that reason, I hope Red or Black in an almighty turkey!

If it's a success, it'll be clogging up the schedules for a few weeks (or fortnights ) a year.

I always think DIY:SOS is an over preformer.

Ive seen some Nick Knowes bashing in my times, but he appears to have two hit shows at the moment, DIY:SOS and the Lottery format Secert Fortume.

The BBC had best watch out, ITV will be calling soon

Wouldn't mind seeing Nick Knowles moving to ITV tbh, could get a great 5PM quiz show started!

Don't they have one of those already which is losing ratings momentum AND they're tied to a very long run of now?

Secret Fortune is okay but it gets old fast just like Million Pound Drop. TV quiz shows try to be too clever these days and it gets boring very quickly. :yawn:

No they wouldn't. World in Action would rate no differently to how Tonight rates.

How do you explain Panorama, which rates better when it is a more accessable consumer type issue but rates badly when covering a heavy story?

About the same territory as the other C4 shows from the same producers - One Born Every Minute and 24 Hours in A&E. Still think it's stupid to air a show based around a panto in the summer - they could have held it back until Nov/Dec.


Considering other ITV1 ratings in the slot recent, and some of their figures at the weekend, did it really bomb though. Would be interesting to know if a drama repeat does indeed cost less than cheap factual.


Britain's Got Talent has seven, so it wouldn't be a shocker - though you probably are right.

Previously TXF had eight hours of auditions - 2 x 90 min and 4 x 75 min, which included 26 interan ad breaks. If they just ran it as eight hour-long shows they'd lose 2 ad breaks, but extending the first and last to 75 minutes compensates for that.


No chance - it isn't the 1980s. Tonight works well enough and is a decent enough brand now for ITV, even if some snobs might not agree. Also now the world is a much smaller place, so although we might not get the indepth reports of the past, I don't think the nation actually needs a documentary to inform them about world events. The news and the net does that sufficiently as it is.

Indeed it's very rare nowadays to actually learn anything you didn't already know from an episode of Tonight or Panorama.

Fascinating times. I've been here long enough to remember when the run of sub 2m ratings that ITV1 has enjoyed of late would have set alarm bells ringing off here. Now it's considered ok as long as it was nice and cheap!