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Old 15-08-2011, 17:02
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Huge difference
1st is that ED was being nasty, he wasnt being serious. Jeff really is a homophobe. ED dislikes Jen, not all women with long dark hair who rate their own bodies
2nd ED is her father, she didnt pick him. Jordan chooses Jeff as her life partner.
I honestly don't see any difference. Its not not like ED was saying those things as a joke is it, he may not have had any intention of following through with them but he was certainly trying to intimidate. If anything ED was probably worse as Jeff's opinion, while totally and utterly wrong, is most likely a reflection on how he was brought up. As starlet says there are parts of America that are seriously behind the times when it comes to this.

For part 2 the following quote from Broxi totally applies to a father daughter relationship as well.

Duh? That would put a target on their back. She's his friggin' girlfriend. She can tell him to shut the f*ck up if she wanted. He isn't going to kick her out if she did!
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Old 15-08-2011, 18:26
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Man If you hate Jordan because of that I doubt there's a word in the english language strong enough to describe your feelings about Dani....
I love Daniele

And after seeing episode 11 (I'm currently catching up), and seeing the moment between Lawon and Jordan, I don't believe Jordan is actually homophobic. She said she likes Lawon and would accept her child if they were gay / lesbian.

I still stand by my belief that she should have said something during his hate-filled rant, but that's as far as I'd go now.
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Old 15-08-2011, 18:52
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There is more hate in this thread, than in Jeff's empty head.


Some people better know themselves.........
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Old 15-08-2011, 20:36
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I honestly don't see any difference. Its not not like ED was saying those things as a joke is it, he may not have had any intention of following through with them but he was certainly trying to intimidate. If anything ED was probably worse as Jeff's opinion, while totally and utterly wrong, is most likely a reflection on how he was brought up. As starlet says there are parts of America that are seriously behind the times when it comes to this.

For part 2 the following quote from Broxi totally applies to a father daughter relationship as well.
The differences as I stated them are unaffected by what you say.

1. ED wasn't nice, I didn't say he was, but his dislike of Jen was based on her. Jeffs prejudice againt what he calls 'faggots' is based on his own bigotted views and encompasses all gay men, millions of people in the world who he thinks he can judge amd restrict.

2.I didn't say she could tell him to STFU.. i disagree with the FM Broxi that her doing that would be a solution,
That would be telling him to be quiet so that his views would be secret to stop people seeing him for what he is.

Jordan knows her BF's views and still chooses him. Danielle rarely agrees with her father less pleasent views,

However, this isn't about Dani and ED, its about Jeff and Jordan, who by her choice to have him as her BF and lover, accepts and endorses his views.
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Old 15-08-2011, 20:39
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You can't dislike Jordan, thats just wrong
She has shown herself to be unintelligent, egotistical, a little bitter and to have choosen a BF who is aggressively homophobic.
It's reason enough for me to think she's not someone i would get along with.
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Old 15-08-2011, 20:41
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Easily. She must agree with his hate filled rants or she would tell him to shut the f*ck up!
Telling him to be quiet is just masking who he is.

I wouldn't be in a relationship with such a nasty man.
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Old 15-08-2011, 20:47
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Danielle rarely agrees with her father less pleasent views,
What views are those? I didn't see Season 8
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Old 15-08-2011, 20:59
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I love Daniele

And after seeing episode 11 (I'm currently catching up), and seeing the moment between Lawon and Jordan, I don't believe Jordan is actually homophobic. She said she likes Lawon and would accept her child if they were gay / lesbian.

I still stand by my belief that she should have said something during his hate-filled rant, but that's as far as I'd go now.
The differences as I stated them are unaffected by what you say.

1. ED wasn't nice, I didn't say he was, but his dislike of Jen was based on her. Jeffs prejudice againt what he calls 'faggots' is based on his own bigotted views and encompasses all gay men, millions of people in the world who he thinks he can judge amd restrict.

2.I didn't say she could tell him to STFU.. i disagree with the FM Broxi that her doing that would be a solution,
That would be telling him to be quiet so that his views would be secret to stop people seeing him for what he is.

Jordan knows her BF's views and still chooses him. Danielle rarely agrees with her father less pleasent views,

However, this isn't about Dani and ED, its about Jeff and Jordan, who by her choice to have him as her BF and lover, accepts and endorses his views.
No one's perfect, you can love someone even if you don't agree with certain parts of them imo. Maybe Jordan has voiced her opinion on this so many times that she didn't bother on this occasion as she knew it wouldn't go anywhere.

For the record I like Dani and Jordan alot. I was just making the point that if Broxi didn't like Jordan for that reason then surely they didn't like Dani for the same reason.
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Old 15-08-2011, 21:02
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Anyway chaps and chapesses, I didnt intend to start a fight.

I just want to know why refers to Vietnam as if he had been there?
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Old 15-08-2011, 21:11
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Was going to add something....but.....no.
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Old 15-08-2011, 21:24
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No one's perfect, you can love someone even if you don't agree with certain parts of them imo. Maybe Jordan has voiced her opinion on this so many times that she didn't bother on this occasion as she knew it wouldn't go anywhere.

For the record I like Dani and Jordan alot. I was just making the point that if Broxi didn't like Jordan for that reason then surely they didn't like Dani for the same reason.
its a piece of romantic nonsense IMO when people say that you cant help who you fall in love with.( i know you didnt say that) .. of course you can because i would never even like yet alone love someone with such nasty views. She concurs with him. It's that simple.

It's not the same because as i keep explaining Dani didnt choose ED and Jordan did choose Jeff.

I dont particularly care for either of them (Dani & Jordan), but in the game I prefer Dani
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Old 15-08-2011, 21:28
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What views are those? I didn't see Season 8
I'm on episode 24 of season 8.
Dick is simply unpleasant, in the xtreme sometimes, just personal and oiutspoken to people. The worst was the week that he and Dani were up and he wanted to enure he was voted out over her... so he went into over drive.
Rude, unkind and going for any weak spots he noticed.

It's difficult to tell how much is real and how much is his ED persona, but its not nice.
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Old 15-08-2011, 21:51
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I'm on episode 24 of season 8.
Dick is simply unpleasant, in the xtreme sometimes, just personal and oiutspoken to people. The worst was the week that he and Dani were up and he wanted to enure he was voted out over her... so he went into over drive.
Rude, unkind and going for any weak spots he noticed.

It's difficult to tell how much is real and how much is his ED persona, but its not nice.
Oh okay, I thought it meant he said something prejudiced too.
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Old 15-08-2011, 22:16
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It's not Jordan's fault that Jeff is a homophobe and a bigot. I do wonder why she's with him though. IMO, Jordan is a genuinely sweet-natured person (sometimes she can be cranky, but so can everyone) - but Jeff is arrogant, hypocritical, nasty, bitchy, self-entitled... I could go on forever. Even if you forget his prejudice, it's hard to see why anyone would put up with him. Jordan could do a lot better.

It's a shame that Kalia was the only one challenging Jeff's views on gay people (which were quite frankly wrong), but I guess it's not even worth the energy trying to get through to someone as ignorant, nasty, hateful, and narrow-minded as Jeff - people like him will probably never be reasonable. :sleep:
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Old 15-08-2011, 22:28
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Jeff has gone from one of my favourite HGs in BB11 to one of my most disliked. I know people say he's a producer's favourite but I seriously don't think he's coming across very well on either LF (the Dumbledore thing was just infuriating) or highlights.
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