I've finally ditched my shoddy Humax HDR in favour of a return to Echostar (why did it take them so long to enter this market). Now I just wanted to share the parting trick Humax played on me so as to warn others.
After getting the Echostar up and running and ensuring all was OK I went through setting up all the scheduled recordings. Just to check I hadn't missed anything I fired up the HDR again, connected to another TV, but with no LNB connected. Lo and behold, the HDR refused to show me the schedule without a satellite feed connected - duh?
Oh well, glad I'm now shot of this box, goodbye Humax - forever.
As to the Echostar - only time will tell. I've used Echostar boxes before in the analogue and early digital eras, thus this was another purchase choice biased by past experience. I only hope it works out better than with Humax.

Without the LNB I don't think the clock is set so it may have thought all your planned recordings were too far in the past.

Also of course it would not see any guide data either.

In what way did your Humax let you down?

Automan.

Support, actually managing to make things worse, twice.

Once with an update that prevented us from deleting while recording and the latest one with the 40 second wait while pressing guide.

That's why you press schedule, red. It's not Humax's fault if you use a remote that is not suitable for the job.

It is Humax's fault that they can't program their machine sensibly, Schedule + Red is just a workaround for what the Guide button should be doing.
Anyway, there are many other faults with the Foxsat HDR and you can always search for my posts for all my grumbles about it.
I think the key issue is that it was the best on the market, albeit the best of a very poor lot, for a long time, and this led to a great deal of complacency on the part of Humax.

Schedule + red isn't a great solution when you try to record a programme direct from the channel and that same "please wait" message comes up. As I've found with installers I know, customers don't understand why there needs to be a work-around and often decline the unit. Humax need to fix this (and reply to my message requesting an official response).

It worked before, its certainly Humax fault that they broke functionality.

Was this really worth starting a new thread?
There are other existing threads you could have made this post in!!:yawn:

Where will you get programme schedule data from for UK channels, and can you program the Echostar to record all broadcast of a programme such as Coronation Street?

Did you look at any of the Linux boxes such as the VU+ Duo or the Clarke-Tech/Xtrend ET9000?

Echostar have launched a freesat box with a strange design, but apparently functional, perhaps you do not know this..

Thanks, you are right!

Indeed and that would be such an edge-case it would be very difficult justifying development, testing and maintenance effort to do anything much about that - preventing access to the schedule (and, one assumes, pausing all of the schedule housekeeping logic) unless and until you have a reliable time signal seems a fairly pragmatic solution IMO.

I had trouble believing the Humax HDR could do this to you, just because you replaced it with another PVR, it's really not funny. VERY

Lets sort this schedule - red thing out once and for all.

At the end of the day it IS a work around to avoid the 40 second downloading information and, yes, I know it does appear in the handbook.

But it is still a work around!

Pressing the guide button gets you the latest EPG, albeit after a wait.

Pressing Schedule - Red also gets you the EPG, but it is a cached version i.e. it MAY not be up to date. If scheduling has been changed since that cached version was downloaded, you WON'T see the changes.

Most of the time, Schedule - Red works fine, but there is the possibility it may be wrong.

That's why, in my opinion, and that of many others, Humax need to find a quicker way of updating the EPG and associated information.

some like me have pressed Schedule Red and quickly programmmed and STILL got the message..
therefore it is not fully cached at all but..
further on in the caching or
faster perhaps..
I just press the PaANNY guide and get the HD lot all together on Freeview..

http://www.joinfreesat.co.uk/index.p...ase-wait-issue

Humax are blaming freesat.

The reason for the change is due to increased EPG data being sent by freesat above the specification, we have temporarily delayed scheduling programmes until the EPG downloads to resolve lockup issues. We are currently working with freesat for a solution to the issue.

Graham has in the past explained in detail to my satisfaction the intricacies of the EPG update procedure ..
My doddery thoughts are that the delay is to enable a quick scan to confirm 99%+ of the time that there have in fact been no changes at all.
With a BSI rep monitoring or being fully aware of the Forums ..it beggars belief that Humax have waited all this time to put this snippet into the Public arena..
I have commented ..

Having used the HDR for nearly 2 years..we do not go on holidays.. well over a dozen programme deletes every week ..it has been until the last update.. perfection personified..
It is said that what you've never had you never miss so..
What is a Lock-Up Please?

I'll give you 10p for it.

Sorry, but it's already had a successful meeting with my pick axe

b*ll*cks.

I've had sight of that part of the spec. I don't have it now, but IIRC the max figure for the full EPG carousel is 3 or 5 minutes. I don't recall a figure for total _size_ and can't check now.

Cheers,
David.