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View Poll Results: Kirkwood's worst decision
Peggy's exit storyline 26 11.61%
Kat and Alfie running The Vic 52 23.21%
Billie's death (good episode, but worth it?) 8 3.57%
Stacey/Ryan affair 33 14.73%
Climax of Who Killed Archie/Stacey getting away with murder 26 11.61%
Baby swap 60 26.79%
Max/Tanya affair 32 14.29%
Introducing Tyler and Anthony Moon 76 33.93%
Axing characters with potential like Julie and Vanessa 70 31.25%
Axing the Beale twins, thereby ruining EE's original family 68 30.36%
Rushing Santer's storylines to completion (Lucas, Archie, etc.) 47 20.98%
Overuse of comedy characters 19 8.48%
Too much filler and not enough good storylines 64 28.57%
Changing characters to fit a particular storyline 68 30.36%
Making majority of the characters unlikable 53 23.66%
Ruining the look of the show 22 9.82%
Trying to appeal to the Hollyoaks/Only Way Is Essex 55 24.55%
Other 12 5.36%
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Old 14-08-2011, 15:32
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He's made a lot, let's be honest.

- Peggy's exit storyline

- Kat and Alfie running The Vic

- Billie's death (good episode, but worth it?)

- Stacey/Ryan affair

- Climax of Who Killed Archie/Stacey getting away with murder

- Baby swap

- Max/Tanya affair

- Introducing Tyler and Anthony Moon

- Axing characters with potential like Julie and Vanessa

- Axing the Beale twins, thereby ruining EE's original family

- Rushing Santer's storylines to completion (Lucas, Archie, etc.)

- Overuse of comedy characters

- Too much filler and not enough good storylines

- Changing characters to fit a particular storyline

- Making majority of the characters unlikable

- Ruining the look of the show by making it too bright and making all the sets look too colourful, cheap and tacky

- Trying to appeal to the Hollyoaks/Only Way Is Essex crowd with characters like Jodie, Poppy and Tyler

- Other
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Old 14-08-2011, 15:33
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Old 14-08-2011, 15:34
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He's made a lot, let's be honest.

- Peggy's exit storyline

- Kat and Alfie running The Vic

- Billie's death (good episode, but worth it?)

- Stacey/Ryan affair

- Climax of Who Killed Archie/Stacey getting away with murder

- Baby swap

- Max/Tanya affair

- Introducing Tyler and Anthony Moon

- Axing characters with potential like Julie and Vanessa

- Axing the Beale twins, thereby ruining EE's original family

- Rushing Santer's storylines to completion (Lucas, Archie, etc.)

- Overuse of comedy characters

- Too much filler and not enough good storylines

- Changing characters to fit a particular storyline

- Making majority of the characters unlikable

- Ruining the look of the show by making it too bright and making all the sets look too colourful, cheap and tacky

- Trying to appeal to the Hollyoaks/Only Way Is Essex crowd with characters like Jodie, Poppy and Tyler

- Other
Its the writers too. BK is responsible for the show but you can't blame him for everything.
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Old 14-08-2011, 15:39
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Its the writers too. BK is responsible for the show but you can't blame him for everything.
Who hired them? Who keeps them in a job?

He's the EXECUTIVE producer for a reason.
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Old 14-08-2011, 15:40
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Decisions are there to be made its what he gets paid for, not everybody is going to get the best out of things, most storylines have been done and redone a million times on soaps, do I like all of them no but you rather watch the show or you don't it doesn't matter if BK leaves or not he only be replace by someone else whose ideas viewers will probably take against the show is a revolving door you never know what or whose is going to walk through.
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Old 14-08-2011, 15:43
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[quote=EastEndFan05;52039259]He's made a lot, let's be honest.


No, I don't think he has, the only mistake he has made, imo, is axeing Zoe Lucker.
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Old 14-08-2011, 15:44
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I went for introducing Tyler and Anthony. Tyler in particular I really do despise! I think axing Vanessa has a been a big mistake too though.

I don't mind Kirkwood though, I've been enjoying the show
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Old 14-08-2011, 15:48
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Most of the things listed I've actually enjoyed some i'm indifferent to e.g the moon boys, they've only been on screen a few weeks.
The only thing I think is a shame is the waste of characters with potential, Vanessa being a prime example. More could have been made of her ex Harry too to fill the gangster element of the show which has been there for many years.
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Old 14-08-2011, 15:53
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A few possibilities but I went with the recent introduction of the chuckle brothers.
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Old 14-08-2011, 15:55
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Kat and Alfie running the Vic for me. I miss the Mitchells running the place; it was much better.
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Old 14-08-2011, 16:01
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I think Kirkwood gets a lot of unnecessary hate on this forum from what I have seen. I'm not going to claim that he is a good producer, because I believe a lot of his tenure has been consistently average to terrible, but I do not feel he is the complete disaster that a lot of people want him to be or think he is.

It seems unfair to pin Eastenders decline all on him. I feel the show hasn't been consistently good since around Feb 2010, in which we were still watching Santers story lines. I would even go further to say that I don't feel the show has been truly consistently excellent since around 2004. It's the retraction from the gritty, kitchen sink drama of the 80's, 90's and early 2000's in favour of sensationalist tripe ( Who Killed Archie, Baby Swap etc..) which has been detrimental to Eastenders, and this can not all be blamed on Kirkwood.

His key problem is perhaps being a victim of his own success. Coming from a hugely successful stint as the Hollyoaks producer, I feel a lot of people expected great things from him. Sadly he was unable to deliver anything ( bar perhaps Billies death) that really matched that expectation.

He has made a lot of mistakes as a producer and as an EE fan I would gladly acknowledge this, but some of the criticism aimed at him are unfounded and unfair.

In response to the actual question (), I feel the Moon brothers and the Stacey/Ryan affair are the most awful things to have come out of this reign. Very disappointed in Zoe Lukers axing aswell as the Max/Tanya affair.
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Old 14-08-2011, 16:02
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I think the main blunder for me has been Max and Tanya's affair. Fair enough, the reveal made for a good episode not only has it rendered Tanya utterly unlikable for me (with cancer seemingly pulled out of the bag to scrounge for sympathy ) and made Max even more odious than usual to the point where I think Lauren should give him another seeing to behind the wheel, I feel quite cynical about Greg and Vanessa, who were blatantly engineered to cause Max/Tanya tension and result in a reunion, ignoring the potential they (well, Vanessa, I'm apathetic towards Greg) could've had as standalone characters.
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Old 14-08-2011, 16:04
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I think Kirkwood gets a lot of unnecessary hate on this forum from what I have seen. I'm not going to claim that he is a good producer, because I believe a lot of his tenure has been consistently average to terrible, but I do not feel he is the complete disaster that a lot of people want him to be or think he is.

It seems unfair to pin Eastenders decline all on him. I feel the show hasn't been consistently good since around Feb 2010, in which we were still watching Santers story lines. I would even go further to say that I don't feel the show has been truly consistently excellent since around 2004. It's the retraction from the gritty, kitchen sink drama of the 80's, 90's and early 2000's in favour of sensationalist tripe ( Who Killed Archie, Baby Swap etc..) which has been detrimental to Eastenders, and this can not all be blamed on Kirkwood.

His key problem is perhaps being a victim of his own success. Coming from a hugely successful stint as the Hollyoaks producer, I feel a lot of people expected great things from him. Sadly he was unable to deliver anything ( bar perhaps Billies death) that really matched that expectation.

He has made a lot of mistakes as a producer and as an EE fan I would gladly acknowledge this, but some of the criticism aimed at him are unfounded and unfair.
Yes, people are overreacting, and yes, some of his storylines haven't been great, but they just need to stop giving him a hard time as we've got to consider what he has done well. Look at Billie's death? Excellent. People are talking like we've got talking animals running around Walford.
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Old 14-08-2011, 16:08
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I voted for the following

- Kat and Alfie running The Vic

- Baby swap

- Introducing Tyler and Anthony Moon

- Too much filler and not enough good storylines

- Changing characters to fit a particular storyline

- Trying to appeal to the Hollyoaks/Only Way Is Essex crowd with characters like Jodie, Poppy and Tyler

I could have added more but then I would begin to question why I still watch it. Thankfully Friday reminded me why I still think EE is the best soap. A rare jewel of an episode
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Old 14-08-2011, 16:09
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It's all very well standing up for Kirkwood. He has done a few good things like bringing character interaction back and the odd good character/episode. But on the whole he's been terrible. Yes, he picked up where previous producers left off (a declining in quality EE from the mid 2000's onwards), but he's made it even worse.

It's not as if people are running around mindlessly ''hating'' on him. People are giving specific, valid reasons for why they think the show is suffering under him. Just look at the poll options. You can't get any more specific than that.
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Old 14-08-2011, 16:43
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I voted for:

Stacey/Ryan affair - It ended awfully and it didn't feel real. The only good thing about the storyline was Janine.

Baby swap - The lack of focus on the mental health element of the storyline. Ronnie went to jail, but she has obvious mental health problems. Also the fact they were forced to cut the storyline short. They should've stood their ground.

Too much filler and not enough good storylines - A lot of storylines feel or have felt a bit half-arsed. They start it and then leave it for a month and apparently we are meant to piece things together and use our imagination for the rest of it. e.g. Michael and Roxy - They flirted for about 3 episodes and suddenly they moved in with each other & loved each other.

Trying to appeal to the Hollyoaks/Only Way Is Essex - People do not watch Eastenders to laugh or cringe from the stupidity of certain characters. I understand that many were moaning about the morbid mood of Eastenders with deaths and affairs but I don't get how they thought Jodie and Poppy was great. I saw a lot of people annoyed at the characters in the 1st episode they were in ('Tommy's' funeral).

Other - The fact they have given Kat another baby death storyline. Way too soon!

Edit: I would say the episodes that have been good is more down to specific writers, such as Carey Andrews and Simon Ashdown.

People referring to Billie's death, I think the leading up to the death was bloody rubbish - when he broke up with whitney and apparently fell in love with someone else. It was quite unbelievable. It was like they didn't bother since he was being axed.
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Old 14-08-2011, 17:00
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He's made a lot, let's be honest.

- Peggy's exit storyline

- Kat and Alfie running The Vic

- Billie's death (good episode, but worth it?)

- Stacey/Ryan affair

- Climax of Who Killed Archie/Stacey getting away with murder

- Baby swap

- Max/Tanya affair

- Introducing Tyler and Anthony Moon

- Axing characters with potential like Julie and Vanessa

- Axing the Beale twins, thereby ruining EE's original family

- Rushing Santer's storylines to completion (Lucas, Archie, etc.)

- Overuse of comedy characters

- Too much filler and not enough good storylines

- Changing characters to fit a particular storyline

- Making majority of the characters unlikable

- Ruining the look of the show by making it too bright and making all the sets look too colourful, cheap and tacky

- Trying to appeal to the Hollyoaks/Only Way Is Essex crowd with characters like Jodie, Poppy and Tyler

- Other
Rushing Santer's storylines to completion (Lucas, Archie, etc.)
Definatley. I admit, the Lucas storyline went on for a long time, but it was good. I would of liked it if he had killed Liz. Also, they could of told us that Archie raped Stacey as soon as it happened, then we could of seen a more evil side to Archie and a much more vunerable side to Stacey. They could of also introduced Roxy as a suspect in Archie's muerder if we found out that he raped Ronnie before he dide. He could of even raped someone else...
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Old 14-08-2011, 17:04
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The main problem for me at the moment is mindless filler and somewhat iffy writing. There are some decent episodes, but I think a really engaging, ongoing plot is missing. Tanya and Max didn't fit the bill, because we knew roughly how that would end from the start...
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Old 14-08-2011, 17:08
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There's not been enough death imo. I'm sick of people leaving in taxis when they should be going in bodybags. Lucas's storyline coming to a climax and the Queen Vic fire happening without a single death was really disappointing. And its not like there wasn't a wealth of characters leaving at the time, that could've been killed off.
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Old 14-08-2011, 17:17
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[quote=xTonix;52039487]
He's made a lot, let's be honest.


No, I don't think he has, the only mistake he has made, imo, is axeing Zoe Lucker.
he did not axe vanessa, zoe lucker quit. please get your facts right
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Old 14-08-2011, 17:23
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There's not been enough death imo. I'm sick of people leaving in taxis when they should be going in bodybags. Lucas's storyline coming to a climax and the Queen Vic fire happening without a single death was really disappointing. And its not like there wasn't a wealth of characters leaving at the time, that could've been killed off.
I was secretley hoping Lucas would go on a mad killing spree and kill Liz and Libby. Then kill himself. Would of been so much more dramatic instead of throwing a tv then geting arrested !

Also, would've been interesting to see Ryan kill Archie, I know they already showed his dark side, but it wouldnt hurt to show an even darker side, would it??
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Old 14-08-2011, 18:00
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he did not axe vanessa, zoe lucker quit. please get your facts right
Zoe was axed. She even speaks about it to Inside Soap and said she was devastated to leave.

It seems you're the wrong one.
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Old 14-08-2011, 18:13
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Rushing Santer's storylines to completion (Lucas, Archie, etc.)
Definatley. I admit, the Lucas storyline went on for a long time, but it was good. I would of liked it if he had killed Liz. Also, they could of told us that Archie raped Stacey as soon as it happened, then we could of seen a more evil side to Archie and a much more vunerable side to Stacey. They could of also introduced Roxy as a suspect in Archie's muerder if we found out that he raped Ronnie before he dide. He could of even raped someone else...
he never raped her they just left it open ended.Then when they couldn't make peggy archie's killer they re-wrote history to give stacey a motive...

I dont care what that toilet scene implied at that point they had no plans for archie to be a rapist..All that nonsense came after the fact to tie in to the "who killed archie" farce
There's not been enough death imo. I'm sick of people leaving in taxis when they should be going in bodybags. Lucas's storyline coming to a climax and the Queen Vic fire happening without a single death was really disappointing. And its not like there wasn't a wealth of characters leaving at the time, that could've been killed off.
I feel like this is from my archives word for word


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Old 14-08-2011, 18:20
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he never raped her they just left it open ended.Then when they couldn't make peggy archie's killer they re-wrote history to give stacey a motive...

I dont care what that toilet scene implied at that point they had no plans for archie to be a rapist..All that nonsense came after the fact to tie in to the "who killed archie" farceI feel like this is from my archives word for word


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No, he raped her in the Laundrette. And TBH, I though it was a bit out of the blue, but if he HAD done it earlier and we knew it happened, they could of given more better motives from Stacey, Bradley, Max, Jack, Peggy and Ronnie.
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Old 14-08-2011, 18:20
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I think his problem now is that he doesn't have any big storylines going. The other guy had the Lucas and Archie stories going on at around the same time. Not everyone liked them, but they were very dramatic.

Instead of having kat and alfie faffing around, max and tanya's repetitive boring ass storylines, he should start concentrating on some big storylines.
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