does that mean ronnies back to jail

she should stay in ibiza and never come back

Ronnie will be back soon. I don't think Carl will ever be found because nobody gave a stuff about him.

It was odd that Ronnie just starting wearing Archie's ring like that but I guess she has given in and admitting that she is like him after all.

Sorry I haven't posted for a long while. Hope you all had a good Christmas & New Year.

I haven't watched EE for ages either until last night and tonight. Turns out I'm not missing much.

So once again, Kat gets her happy ending. And Ronnie is a villain. Or soon to be villain.
Nope, there was never any favouritism ever.

I'm so angry. I'm honestly glad I haven't invested heavily this time around. How did Sam say yes to this?
I know it's in Ronnie to be like Archie, but I wish they didn't go down that route.

I am feeling the same. I caught up with Ronnie's episodes yesterday and I don't like what they are doing with her. I too am glad I haven't invested much in EE this time round. I can see myself not caring much when Ronnie returns either.

I blame the baby swap, as that is when it all started downhill for Ronnie but I had high hopes from DTC. Sam's interview was promising and I thought we were in for some great material for Ronnie. I don't see how Sam got so excited from material like this.

Ronnie's care for Roxy has always been endearing but they have now gone too far to the other side. It is not endearing anymore. Less said about practically stalking Roxy and Carl the better.

No come back for Alfie either, just Ronnie being the bad guy again. And again no scenes from Ronnie with somebody like Dot to let us see Ronnie's softer side.

Whilst I agree with you both that Ronnie's protection of Roxy has gone abit extreme I think the show has picked up again. I am OK with Ronnie killing Carl (I would prefer she hadn't of course) but Carl isn't someone that is cared about. He did try and rape her so it was self defence. However, having killed him she used Phil's idea of dumping the body at the scrapyard.


Hopefully Ronnie won't turn into a Lucas and kill again. Lucas' first murder was also accidental remember and he went on to kill Owen.

There are so many strong females in the cast now and they can't all have the same storylines and DTC probably thought that this was the best storyline to fit Ronnie's character (becoming Archie). You can be a likeable villian and also it doesn't necessary mean the end for the character (unless Sam and DTC want to end the character of course).

Sam must have liked the NYE and NYD scripts but I guess as an actress playing evil is far more interesting. What DTC has to consider is most the reasons we loved Ronnie in the first place have now all gone. I like her vulnerable side and if thats gone then how can we care and she becomes another Janine who I never felt for. Ronnie has become more socially awkward as other then the Mitchells she doesn't mix with anybody else.

I thought they could have made Ronnie more of a mum to Lola or given Roxy the harder storylines of going on drugs and have Ronnie the helpful one but they seem to want more misery aimed towards Ronnie.

I thought it was well documented that the audience are fed up of miserable Ronnie yet even her creator does this to her (maybe his hands were tied given where Kirkwood and Newman left her character).

I still enjoy watching Sam although I do agree with those that have said her acting is not as good as 2007-2010 because its the same old scenes with her now and Sam seems to be on autopilot.

I will continue to watch EE as it is steadily improving and I am trying to have faith that the Ronnie storyline arc has been mapped out for the whole year and there is a reason for everything. If not, then Ronnie may as well end up on the scrapheap next to Carl for the 30th Anniversary!

I don't necessary mind that she killed Carl in self defence. It was getting rid of his body and what happened afterwards that I didn't like. Any jury would not see past that and she would end up in prison for a long time, hence the shelf life for the character. Also any sympathy one may have for her killing somebody in self defence goes out of the window by what happened afterwards.

The obsession with Roxy is not endearing enough to balance the crime, considering that Roxy wasn’t in any immediate danger. I would understand it if there was something extreme i.e Roxy having been abducted, forced into drugs and/or prostitution etc. Although none justifies murder, at least it goes some way towards putting murder into context.

I don’t like her turning into Archie that much I know. Nor do I want her turned into a Janine type character or Stacey, walking away with murder.

And I am fed up of all the misery thrown constantly on her. It is draining and boring. Sam may have be on autopilot, or it may also be that they are giving her the same storylines that involve crying or committing a crime, so it is not exactly that much variety that she has to portray. Like you say The_abbott, I would have thought it would be clear to DTC that the public are fed up of the misery.

I suppose I am a bit undecided and not at the point where I have gone of the character completely, but I don’t have much sympathy as things stand. Least of all because Roxy doesn’t deserve Ronnie taking such high risks and extreme measures becuase Roxy is an ADULT and Ronnie has been through this enough times to know better.

I don’t know where they are going with Ronnie, but the obsession with Roxy and Carl’s murder worries me, as it seems like they are boxing her into a corner even more so than the baby swap.

Let's hope they have a proper arc in mind leading to redemption.

Most people I know cheered Ronnie on when she dumped Carl's body in the scrapyard because he was the most annoying whispering baddie ever. So it seems NuRonnie has got some new fans.

I agree that Roxy should have been in more danger to provoke the killing but they way Roxy casually went with Ronnie anyway just made it even more pointless.

My concern is they will do a Single White Female kind of approach and Roxy is totally dependant on Ronnie and she keeps her locked up or something because that really would box the character in more. Boxed and cellotaped and shipped off to Mars in fact.

I think we have to accept old Ronnie has gone and hope that there is redemption at the end of this storyline. It doesn't work that her character is a loner AND mentally obsessive and controlling because it narrows the interaction with other characters further.

But I still like Sam and will continue to like Ronnie. Although I don't see her ever getting a happy ending when she does leave again.

Well, I was definitely out of the loop because I read in Inside Soap that Ronnie killed Carl (!!!!) and you guys just confirmed all this.
I'm so stunned. Obviously I need to watch the episodes to make sense of it but, wow.
I read she coldly watched him being crushed in the car? Where in the world has all this come from?

Well according to the interview Sam gave this must be all part of the TPTB big plans for Ronnie.
You would have thought Ronnie would stay clear of any trouble and crime considering that she is fresh out of prison. Clearly not. At this rate she is set to become the new serial offender of the square.

I did see a few posts in the episode thread saying they liked Ronnie in that episode and this direction for her.
I don't know how many of those posts were from people who always saw her as villain and this was the validation to that view and how many simply liked it for being a dark and daring death and plot line.

I just can't believe Sam came back for this. I can only think she liked the direction her character was heading when she had the meetings an that?
This is IMO (again I know I haven't seen the eps) ruining her character. Again.
Fresh from prison, like you say, she should steer clear of trouble and crime and focus on rebuilding her life. Go to counselling, visiting James' grave, start a career. Not fall head first into meddling in Roxy's life (though it is a given) and murder some geeza.

It gives those who always viewed her as a villain, the satisfaction that they were right when we've been battling along defending her saying she wasn't.
Archie never killed, so this isn't Archie in her. The old Ronnie I believe would have panicked and maybe even confessed - doing the right thing.
Okay yes, with the baby swap she didn't, she was mentally unwell. But how do you defend this?

I don't even know what to say, it was a big mistake to turn her into a complete villain, murder and wearing Archie's ring. I think she was vile with the kat Alfie thing. Roxy could've gone crazy on them but ronnie should've just stayed out of it.

They took what we love about ronnie away, the toughness will the vulnerability. The fact that she's so intelligent and initiative but only used it in certain circumstances. Feels much more empathy and emotions that anyone would understand but masked that with hardness because the inside is to fragile.

I want that ronnie back!

Carl was dead before he was crushed. So his death was an accident in self defence but she used the car crusher to hide the body! Would Phil have done this if Ronnie hadn't stopped him? Thats what we will never know.

Ronnie is now more dangerous than characters like Grant, Den, Wilmot-Brown, Archie because they never killed. She's on par with Nick Cotton

I think the posters who liked her are people that always saw her as a villian. There has always been reasons for Ronnie's actions and I guess we will have to see what the reasons are this time (although I think its because he tried to take a 36 year old Roxy away from her!)

Maybe Sam and DTC thought this was the best path for her character now that she is so damaged but killing Carl could have been avoided - one minute Ronnie was running scared of Carl and crying next minute shes watching a body being crushed. None of it matches up. She just seemes totally screwed up as a character.


Yes please, I want that Ronnie back too

Yeah I think they are struggling with her characterization. I saw Ronnie, Phil and Sharon on the cover of IS today and I glanced at the article.
I am worried that it will get worse. I am completely out of sync with EE’s episodes, (haven’t watched anything since Ronnie left) I mean to catch up at some point so this may have already happened, but apparently Sharon finds Carl’s phone with blood stains on it, and she will ask Phil about Carl, or something to that extent in the upcoming episodes.
She will give him an ultimatum about coming clean, or risk their relationship.
The article was saying that Ronnie committed the murder and disposed the body, but Phil was left to clean Carl’s flat, dispose his belongings and has his phone, so he is involved.
In the light of DTC saying that with Ronnie we will see how someone can turn into a villain, not a soap bitch, a villain, they were posing the question as to how far Ronnie would go to stay out of prison considering that she has just come out. Would she implicate Phil eventhough he is her family, just to save herself from going to prison?

I can totally see them going down the route of Ronnie framing Phil and letting him taking the blame to save herself. She will probably end up being turned into a psychopath, as all the empathy and vulnerability is being taken out.

I don’t usually feel sorry for Roxy when it comes to Ronnie, but this time around I really feel for her. Ronnie should stay away. She has become too controlling.
I can see them turning her into a Lucas or Mad May character.


Is anyone feeling a bit more positive about this new direction as I feel guilty for contributing to turning the mood of the thread into too much negativity.

I hope she doesn't frame Phil as Ronnie has always been loyal to her family (shes a Mitchell in case you haven't heard her say it ). I think Sharon may be the problem as she doesn't like Ronnie and will want to use this against her - to stay out of Phil's life.

I think the real test is when Roxy meets a nice guy and how Ronnie treats him. Then we will know how controlling Ronnie is. It is fine to warn the likes of Carl, Sean etc... but if she meets another Dr Al will she be OK about it or try and kill him too!?!

I wish they had just given Ronnie a new life, new job and even a new man that she struggles to open up to. Anything would be better than constant misery

Does anyone else find this new villain look has totally just ruined the character! I just find that it doesn't work at all! Ronnie isn't a bad person and the way they have wrote her now seems like the past has been forgotten which is so ridiculous.

The whole Archie Mitchell ring scene was the most ridiculous scene they could have done! Do the writers not understand she hates him, he raped her he ruined her life the old Ronnie Mitchell we know would never do that!

I honestly hope Sam leaves once her contract is up and i hope the character gets killed off. As much as i love Sam and the old Ronnie, i think it would be good for the character to be killed off as there is nothing left for her to do now.

The character has totally been ruined and i don't think there is away to fix it. To much damage has already been done. From interviews where Sam has said shes going dark it just sounds so stupid and totally not what Ronnie would be like! Shes lost the vulnerability about her and the lost soul. Ronnie isn't this tough villain who kills people, shes damaged and shes lost.

The writing atm is just not good and i'm not feeling it! I adore Sam and i support her and i would never judge her acting i think shes flawless at what she does and what ever is thrown at her she does amazingly well!!

Is anyone else not feeling Ronnie as much?

I think its too early to judge - ignoring the fact she killed Carl for a second - she hasn't done anything that bad =. She can be selfish to protect Roxy but she's never been evil or bitchy to people without reason.

The DTC interview said that Ronnie was turning evil like Darth Vader but the ring scene was more Ming the Merciless from Flash Gordon who was pure evil. It did seem odd that Ronnie's memory of Archie was wiped but the actions of killing Carl. Not even Archie killed people (although he may have killed Dannielle we will never know).

I don't like the direction but I am keeping some faith that there will be a point to all this (background of her time in prison or Roxy goes back on drugs - a catalyst to explain the behaviour). To turn Ronnie into a cackling witch that kills anyone that speaks to Roxy will be the final straw.

When I first read the storyline I did think "Ronnie will die in the end". It seems the 'natural' end to the story and at the moment that wouldn't bother me as much as it would had we been in 2009/2010.

I really want to know when Ronnie's from back Ibiza or when Sam Womack starts filming?

Back in business!!
(had to reset password haha)

I think if they are still available, I'm going to watch Ronnie's eps from last month, where she killed Carl and that. Hopefully get a better understanding of what the eff EE are doing to her character.

Good to have you back kushtimaytee!

I'm not sure when this was written but Sam likes being back on EE:

http://www.whatsontv.co.uk/eastender...-in-eastenders

Not sure what this bit means: "However the actress added that it was strange to change aspects of her EastEnders alter ego which she had previously found so familiar.

"She's taking on a new identity at the moment and that's quite interesting because I played her for six or seven years, so she feels different now," Samantha revealed.

"She's dressing differently and speaking differently, it's weird."

The spoilers released today sound quite dramatic - Ronnie's storylines always manage to pull you in!

I haven't watched the show since Ronnie and Roxy left but I think I'm slowly coming round to Ronnie's development now. I was really reluctant to begin with, but I remember reading DTC's interview and he mentioned that she wouldn't be becoming a soap bitch, just slowly becoming a villain. Hopefully that means the audience will still be able to invest in her as a sympathetic character with vulnerabilities.

I remember hoping the stronger Ronnie would return - I just didn't know it'd be to this extent!

Thank you!

Hmmm. I don't really get much enthusiasm from her in that interview.
I guess she feels this new "side" of Ronnie has kinda come from no where? Well, that's what I feel any way.

http://metro.co.uk/2014/02/02/easten...-lexi-4288409/
Feeling a bit "meh" about this.

Please just don't turn ronnie into a complete villain, we want to see the good!

One thing that worries me is that she'll be given a new love interest soon because lets face it its a soap. I worry about who it will be. Just please no affairs or bad boy situations I.e david wicks. In fact I don't want a love interest for her for a long time. When it eventually happens let it be a really good guy like a Bradley.

Yeah it looks a bit samey and my guess is that this causes 'tension' between the Mitchells and Ronnie will be on her own again living in Ian's old flat again


I doubt they will pair Ronnie up with anyone unless its to team up with someone to get revenge on someone else.

Don't forget to vote for Ronnie to get her to the semin finals of the competition she won in 2009

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...1938807&page=4