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Old 25-03-2014, 13:02
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I've stayed away while trying to catch up on EE but have failed miserably so far. I got up to the ep where Dot found out about Nick and Ronnie was there for her.
I'm glad we had those scenes. Them two always have a special bond.

I'll never forget that scene during the baby swap when Dot was brushing Ronnie's hair and Ronnie very nearly confessed. Such a beautiful and moving scene.
I miss those days. (NOT the baby swap!)
I know what you mean. Ronnie was credited for last Thursdays episode but was not in it so don't waste your time on that episode
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Old 25-03-2014, 16:37
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Looks like Ronnie runs down Lola by accident so she can relive Danielle's death - although Lola won't die because teh actress has signed a new deal. Another trauma for Ronnie!!
That just shows how unhinged Ronnie really is. I mean why would she want to relive a painful and heartbreaking moment of when Danielle died?

I really don't like what they are doing to Ronnie and I actually prefer to the way she was before end of her last stint in 2011.
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Old 25-03-2014, 19:49
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Looks like I've missed some Stacey and Ronnie scenes.
Currently watching tonight's ep.
Loved:
"I'm not Danielle."
"I let her down, I'm not gonna let you down too."
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Old 25-03-2014, 19:53
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Looks like Ronnie runs down Lola by accident so she can relive Danielle's death - although Lola won't die because teh actress has signed a new deal. Another trauma for Ronnie!!
Is this for real? WTF?!?

I read that she becomes obsessed with Lola - she reminds her of Danielle. Can I just ask in what way?
Danielle was a wet blanket, fragile and desperate for her mother's love. She had the Mitchell trait in her, but only when pushed to absolute despair.
Lola - Polar opposite. Yes she is vulnerable but she is generally happy and secure in her life.

Just, WHAT on EARTH are EE thinking going ahead with this s/l??
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Old 25-03-2014, 21:58
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I know what you mean. Ronnie was credited for last Thursdays episode but was not in it so don't waste your time on that episode
Thanks for the heads up.
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Old 25-03-2014, 22:04
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This version I can deal with.

http://www.soapsquawk.co.uk/news/eas...ie.php#results

An genuine accident is absolutely fine. A deliberate act - I'm sorry but I think I will be done with the character.
She would have to be seriously unhinged to do what Janine did to Danielle. If EE went down this route not long after Danielle's death, I could believe and understand it.
Not 5 years later (Crikey hasn't time flown!)

I was extremely worried about Ronnie's return, but I had strong faith in DTC when I heard he was returning. Now I don't have much faith left.
I'm frightened really for how things are going to pan out.
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Old 26-03-2014, 09:08
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Looks like I've missed some Stacey and Ronnie scenes.
Currently watching tonight's ep.
Loved:
"I'm not Danielle."
"I let her down, I'm not gonna let you down too."
yeah I liked her scenes last night with Stacey. That was old school Ronnie. Roxy is such a tool telling her to drop it.

I think Ronnie will still help Stacey.

You may have missed the scenes on Tuesday last week when Ronnie liocked Stacey up in the Gym to talk to her and then Roxy turned up and Stacey ran off.
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Old 26-03-2014, 09:21
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This version I can deal with.

http://www.soapsquawk.co.uk/news/eas...ie.php#results

An genuine accident is absolutely fine. A deliberate act - I'm sorry but I think I will be done with the character.
She would have to be seriously unhinged to do what Janine did to Danielle. If EE went down this route not long after Danielle's death, I could believe and understand it.
Not 5 years later (Crikey hasn't time flown!)

I was extremely worried about Ronnie's return, but I had strong faith in DTC when I heard he was returning. Now I don't have much faith left.
I'm frightened really for how things are going to pan out.
Sometimes like last night I am OK with Ronnie but then she will do something I don't like. I guess its suck it and see and just hope that Ronnie's Darth Vader period isn't that long!

I think maybe after Lola's accident the Mitchells like Phil and Billy will shun Ronnie. Ronnie does work better when isolated from family so maybe this will be a good thing.
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Old 26-03-2014, 12:38
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Sometimes like last night I am OK with Ronnie but then she will do something I don't like. I guess its suck it and see and just hope that Ronnie's Darth Vader period isn't that long!

I think maybe after Lola's accident the Mitchells like Phil and Billy will shun Ronnie. Ronnie does work better when isolated from family so maybe this will be a good thing.
I feel the same. Sometimes I am ok with her however Carl's death is still bothering me. I hope that Darth Varder period doesn’t last long as I don’t like it either. I like Ronnie when she does scenes that include some heart such as the ones with Dot, Stacey, not when she is full fletched psycho. Ronnie needs the soft scenes as a character.


The other problem I am having is that having murdered someone and disposed the body, her days are numbered so I am struggling to invest in the character.
Unless this period with Lola’s accident, potentially being shunned by her family, reliving Archie’s ordeal through Stacey’s murder trial (if there will be one) leads into some sort of mental breakdown which results in her being let free for Carl’s death on the grounds of mental health I will find it hard to invest in the character.

Ronnie absolutely needs to move on from murdering Carl. An escape from murdering someone is not what I would like to see. It bothered the majority of the viewers that Stacey walked away free into the sunset after killing Archie and they are just trying to put it right now. A murder prison sentence is not what I would call a satisfying or memorable end to Ronnie’s character. It is not memorable in my view. And I don’t want to see her kill somebody else. Serial killer is not what I want to see.
So the only way I see this being resolved is to see her have a full breakdown, suicide attempts, self-harming, sectioning, really dark stories as a way to fully move her on. I don’t mind if that leads to an exit as it leaves the door open for a return at any time.

That can be seen as too weepy though so really I am not sure what can be done to move the character. Murdering Carl was a mistake and so is the extremely controlling behaviour with Roxy. I have no idea what I would like to see that I would enjoy. Sadly I am really struggling with the character.
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Old 26-03-2014, 13:19
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I feel the same. Sometimes I am ok with her however Carl's death is still bothering me. I hope that Darth Varder period doesn’t last long as I don’t like it either. I like Ronnie when she does scenes that include some heart such as the ones with Dot, Stacey, not when she is full fletched psycho. Ronnie needs the soft scenes as a character.


The other problem I am having is that having murdered someone and disposed the body, her days are numbered so I am struggling to invest in the character.
Unless this period with Lola’s accident, potentially being shunned by her family, reliving Archie’s ordeal through Stacey’s murder trial (if there will be one) leads into some sort of mental breakdown which results in her being let free for Carl’s death on the grounds of mental health I will find it hard to invest in the character.

Ronnie absolutely needs to move on from murdering Carl. An escape from murdering someone is not what I would like to see. It bothered the majority of the viewers that Stacey walked away free into the sunset after killing Archie and they are just trying to put it right now. A murder prison sentence is not what I would call a satisfying or memorable end to Ronnie’s character. It is not memorable in my view. And I don’t want to see her kill somebody else. Serial killer is not what I want to see.
So the only way I see this being resolved is to see her have a full breakdown, suicide attempts, self-harming, sectioning, really dark stories as a way to fully move her on. I don’t mind if that leads to an exit as it leaves the door open for a return at any time.

That can be seen as too weepy though so really I am not sure what can be done to move the character. Murdering Carl was a mistake and so is the extremely controlling behaviour with Roxy. I have no idea what I would like to see that I would enjoy. Sadly I am really struggling with the character.
I think having Ronnie confront Carl's family kind of ends the plot. Its not the resolution that is best because like you say she is a murderer and hasn't been punished. Stacey killing Archie was different because Bradley got the blame for it and other characters on the square had to protect her. With Carl, nobody else on the square give s a flying monkeys so it can be more easier to sweep under the rug (or crushed in a junkyard!).

I like the idea of her reliving Danielle's and Archie's deaths with Lola's accident and the Archie trial (if that happens) as I think this will take alot of strain on Ronnie and she could have a melt down. Roxy is still her usual selfish self who holds her hands on her ears when anyone says a bad word about Archie but deep down this is tormenting Ronnie. Have some dark times for the character like self harming - maybe Roxy will then get it into her thick head?! - probably not.

I do see Ronnie's end to be in a padded cell in a straight jacket as that is the natural conclusion. How can one person put up with all this alone?
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Old 28-03-2014, 16:17
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How werid was it to see Ronnie in normal scenes talking about normal stuff with Shirley, Patrick, Cora. It was sort of cringy in a way but different.

Seems she has attracted the attention of a bad one. Charlie Cotton seems to be sniffing about.
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Old 31-03-2014, 09:12
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A one night stand or more?

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Could this be a match made in hell?
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Old 31-03-2014, 13:07
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As long as all these do not lead to Ronnie killing someone else I am fine with it.
Although Ronnie is probably the only female character who doesn’t need a man to define her and I would like it to remain that way, sometimes when she gets close to someone that is when we find out more about what is going on inside.
As dysfunctional as her relationship with Jack was I do agree with Sam when she said in her interview that Ronnie’s softer side came out when she was with Jack.
We really need to see that more. If not soft side, the confused messed up mind will show when she talks to such people so I am all for some of that.
I like the fact that this is a closer link with Dot. I really want Ronnie to remain close to Dot.
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Old 01-04-2014, 15:15
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A one night stand or more?

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Could this be a match made in hell?
I can't stand charlie but I have a feeling they will make him the good guy in the end and have everyone fall in love with him.

Ronnie is the one character I want to remain without a man for as long as possible, she is strong without one.

As for her softer side, I agree but I think it's a disservice to say it should only come out when she's with a man. For me I love eastenders when characters entwine with people the usually wouldn't and they grow or learn things about themselves and others because of those interactions. Ronnie can be soft and vulnerable without Charlie. She doesn't need him to remain close to Dot. Ian, Sharon, Fatboy and if Peggy ever comes back, the have more of a right to look after Dot than Charlie.
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Old 07-04-2014, 09:59
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I watched an episode leading up to Archie and Peggy's wedding yesterday. I loved the way Ronnie flinched as Archie went to comfort her after an argument with Roxy. Those that say the rape was added in later the scenes were there IMO. He was very strange with Ronnie in that scene "Your still Daddy's little girl!" very creepy.

Also, the scene at Peggy's hen night I noticed Ronnie pushes Roxy aside so she pushes her back. I never noticed that before but its things like that I really like as its what siblings do all the time.
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Old 10-04-2014, 21:28
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I still failed miserably to catch up, but I made a point of watching tonight's ep on iPlayer.
The running over Lola s/l now seems cruel to Ronnie. I got flashbacks to Danielle's death in Ronnie's face.
As if she hasn't had to go through enough, she basically has to relieve Danielle all over again plus she's now done it to someone else she loves.
I was really thrown by Amy randomly asking Ronnie about her babies. Had Ron and Roxy been talking about James & Danielle before now?

I'd like to see something good come out of all this. But I don't trust EE at the moment.
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Old 10-04-2014, 21:31
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I watched an episode leading up to Archie and Peggy's wedding yesterday. I loved the way Ronnie flinched as Archie went to comfort her after an argument with Roxy. Those that say the rape was added in later the scenes were there IMO. He was very strange with Ronnie in that scene "Your still Daddy's little girl!" very creepy.

Also, the scene at Peggy's hen night I noticed Ronnie pushes Roxy aside so she pushes her back. I never noticed that before but its things like that I really like as its what siblings do all the time.
Oh the scope was there for sure. Right from the beginning "You're no match for me my girl."

I miss those days. And I miss how Ronnie and Roxy acted like siblings. It's kinda creepy now how Ronnie mothers Roxy. I know she always has done, but it's definitely gotten worse.
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Old 11-04-2014, 14:03
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Yeah I don't like what they have done with Ronnie and Roxy's relationship. It is creepy and not believable. I don't think Ronnie would be like this.
I hope they can save this but I am not confident at all
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Old 11-04-2014, 14:32
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I thought the early scenes in last nights episode were really good between Ronnie and Roxy so its sort of hit and miss at the moment. I'll always watch whilst Sam is on the show though!

The car stunt was terrible and I'm sure she will be a crying mess again in tonights episode. Its werid because we were promised a darker ronnie and I am assuming that has started with the killing of Carl the Whisperer and this werid obsession of controlling Roxy. Maybe tonight is the catalist to more darker stuff?
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Old 11-04-2014, 14:35
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Oh the scope was there for sure. Right from the beginning "You're no match for me my girl."

I miss those days. And I miss how Ronnie and Roxy acted like siblings. It's kinda creepy now how Ronnie mothers Roxy. I know she always has done, but it's definitely gotten worse.
When she gave Roxy the money last night it reminded me of Archie giving her money. She is definately her father's daughter but she doesn't realise it. Or she does and isn;t fighting it anymore!
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Old 11-04-2014, 16:06
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I thought the early scenes in last nights episode were really good between Ronnie and Roxy so its sort of hit and miss at the moment. I'll always watch whilst Sam is on the show though!

The car stunt was terrible and I'm sure she will be a crying mess again in tonights episode. Its werid because we were promised a darker ronnie and I am assuming that has started with the killing of Carl the Whisperer and this werid obsession of controlling Roxy. Maybe tonight is the catalist to more darker stuff?
Yes it is hit and miss, not just the writing regarding her relationship with Roxy but generally her characterization as a whole. Some days she is great and some days it is really creepy. I thought the beginning of that episode when she was laughing and joking with Roxy before Alex’ date, (when Ronnie sent the text message to him) was great. It reminded me of the good times. But then they went and ruined it with Ronnie paying him by the end of the episode and it got worse last night.

The stunt was ridiculous. I am not keen on seeing her crying but it should be good because that would potentially offer an opportunity for her to talk and for us to see what is going on in that beautiful but messed up head of hers.
I am sure there is more dark stuff to come.
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Old 11-04-2014, 20:26
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Wait what?
Ronnie opening up like that to a stranger and then jumping into bed with him?
Has she had a personality transplant or summat?

Also, I may be making this up, but didn't Ronnie put a picture of Danielle in her locket alongside the baby photo?
I wonder if she still has that one in her purse.
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Old 11-04-2014, 21:10
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When she was in prison when she left it only had the baby photo inside.

Yeah that was random. I kind of get why she slept with Charlie to forget things but not to open up to him - unless she things taking to a stranger is easier. I mean Roxy once again lets her sister down!!!

I think Ronnie's obsession might now turn to Lola. Move out the way Billy, Lola's new mum is in town lol!
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Old 14-04-2014, 21:01
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When she was in prison when she left it only had the baby photo inside.

Yeah that was random. I kind of get why she slept with Charlie to forget things but not to open up to him - unless she things taking to a stranger is easier. I mean Roxy once again lets her sister down!!!

I think Ronnie's obsession might now turn to Lola. Move out the way Billy, Lola's new mum is in town lol!
Ah thanks. So I did make it up.

Tonight I felt like I missed something. Lola being afraid of Ronnie and Ronnie just blanking Charlie. Really strange.
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Old 15-04-2014, 10:56
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Ah thanks. So I did make it up.

Tonight I felt like I missed something. Lola being afraid of Ronnie and Ronnie just blanking Charlie. Really strange.
yeah for some reason the scenes were odd or edited.

1. nor continuation of Ronnie/Charlie - I guess she was just using him
2. Does Lola know about Danielle or not? - again no mention either way so we don't really know why Lola feels like avoiding Ronnie
3. no scene between Ronnie and Roxy about Ronnie mowing down lola and the simularity with Danielle. All roxy cared about was attacking Ronnie for shouting at shirtless Latvian.

I know that they can't dominate every episode but Ronnie and Roxy are absent next week so it would be nice to have more of them this week. I can't believe we had scenes on Stan wetting his bed which seemed to go on forever!
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