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EastEnders - Ronnie Mitchell/Samantha Womack Appreciation Thread (Part 9) |
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I am surprised at how "upset" I feel about it. I didn't feel particularly...anything....about it when I first heard. I always kept my interest in the character, despite everything. Although when she first return in 2013. I hadn't even been aware of her return until it happened and I didn't even watch any of it until a few months afterwards. Maybe it was wondering if I could ever care for the character like I used to again? After awhile I took on a much cooler approach toward the character, I'd still occasionally delve into the details on what was happening, make a post - but you know, it wasn't such a big deal. I sort of just ..went...with whatever they did with Ronnie. The little vestiges, reminders of what she has been were still there and I think that kept me drawn in to an extent. Seeing the aftermath - seeing Jack, and little Amy. It's is sad to think they will never be any scenes of older Amy with her mum and aunt. No more Glenda and her girls. It a bit of a shame too, because they were little scenes with Ronnie and Glenda in 2016 where they skirted over the complications of their relationship, but if they'd wanted they could brought Glenda back a bit sooner, I don't know. I know they had that wedding moment, but it's not much. In some ways it does add to the tragedy, I know. I'm sure there was still plenty that could have been done and said between Ronnie and Glenda - but now there never will. The story itself...the episode itself had some wonderful moments and imagery. It's a shame I was actually laughing and pfftting half way through with the ridiculousness of Ronnie running out of her wedding because Roxy wasn't moving to bloody Essex. Is that the best....they could do? I understand it would be hard for Ronnie to truly move onto a new life with Roxy not an fully active part of it, but - honestly it didn't need to be shoved into the wedding itself. It should have been solved beforehand or something. I am surprised at how I feel though. Like....an old friend you haven't spoken to in ages has moved somewhere...another planet..and you know you won't speak to them again. I know that will sounds very odd to some people - but I made friends online because of the character and I had some meaningful experiences through that. The character being dead in the show has brought these dormant feelings out in me. However, having watched the wedding episode (haven't watched the build up if there was any), seeing Ronnie die and knowing this is it for her character, it has made me upset. The two subsequent episodes have brought on even more sadness and also anger that such a complex character has been wasted for nothing more than perhaps proving a point. Yes the characters needed a rest and yes it is ok to kill off characters sometimes but at least you do so when there is scope in the aftermath of the death and it opens up opportunities for those left behind. The immediate aftermath seems more like a passing thought than any real effort. We have seen more of Lee and Michelle than aftermath of Ronnie and Roxy's death. Beyond the few episodes leading up to the funeral there is absolutely no prospect of anything else happening as a result of these deaths. Jack will move on, the kids are too young to carry any storyline related to bereavement and loss and it is probably the last we see of Glenda. For the show as a whole it leaves a big gap in the age range of Ronnie and Roxy's characters and let's face it complex characters like Ronnie don't happen very often. The Mitchell's are quickly disappearing and Ben and Louise who one could argue are the future are still too young to replace, or carry the kind of storylines Phil or Ronnie and to some degree Roxy would. In the long run it seems like such an ill thought decision, waste of two characters who could have been in the show for years and still deliver plenty of storylines. |
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Some fun (or sad
) facts about RonnieShe appeared in a total of 777 episodes She had 99 duff duffs going into December so assuming the non-duff duffs of that song and the silence counts then that is 101 duff duffs. Apparently, Ronnie was the quickest character in EE history to get 100 Duff duffs which shows how important she was to the show and what a massive loss she will be. |
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SOC probably thinks that having Michelle back signals that EE is back to the old days but I am an original viewer but I have not connected with this Michelle at all. She may as well be called Maxine and be an entirely new character from Sharon's past.
As to Michelle. She isn't Michelle but my main problem is the fake accent, the lousy writing and the actreess is phoning it in because she knows she can get away with it. Quote:
Despite being a bog standard soap plot, the Ronnie and Roxy angle always added something slightly different to the 'love triangle' scenario. It was the chemistry that shone and you always routed for Ronnie (and therefore Roxy). That strange Jack-Ronnie-Roxy-Amy situation was very strange but fasinating to watch. I guess you could say it was unique to soaps. Totally agree with all of this.Ronnie was a strange character in a way that (most of) the audience were always on her side despite some really bad things. Quote:
I knew it was all over the minute Ronnie took Glenda's advice having previously said "the day I listen to you will be my last". I was never less than 85% certain Ronnie was dying and before the tarot cards I was 99% certain she was dying. I think that line to Glenda was the point it went up to 100% certainty she wasn't making it out alive.
Never thought I would say it but I am glad for The Sun. This is one plot where I would not of liked being surprised. Roxy was the one I began to have doubts about whether she would die or not as it was being signposted everywhere. I went from 95% certain to about 65% after the tarot cards and they started to make me wonder if they were going to spare Roxy. It was too obvious with her self-destruction. I had read that Danny and Glenda were going to be back on the 30th and couldn't understand why they were bothering bringing him in unless he was going to whisk Roxy away when she was responsible for Ronnie's deah. Obviously Danny has been brought back to support a grieving Glenda. However I wonder how long that will last? I hope we didn't see a hint of him wanting to get hold of Amy and Matthew's inheritence in the NYD episode when he said something like "I knew he was minted but look at this place."? Ultimately Ronnie had to die to save Roxy if the boss was determined that he wanted a show stunt to cover up the filler garbage. And Ronnie died in character. She went out as she came in, following Roxy and trying to keep her safe. Ronnie was her own character but Roxy was a huge part of her being. Roxy on the other hand was the other half of a double act. I think he is handling the aftermath scenes quite well getting inside the characters' heads, but the filler scenes were a bit rubbish on Sunday, worse on Monday and awful last night. Apparently there is going to be a lot more grieving in the following weeks and I will stick it out for Glenda. The only other plot that interests me is Max. Most of the rest of the characters are dull, overused, or have run their course. |
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Some fun (or sad
) facts about RonnieShe appeared in a total of 777 episodes She had 99 duff duffs going into December so assuming the non-duff duffs of that song and the silence counts then that is 101 duff duffs. Apparently, Ronnie was the quickest character in EE history to get 100 Duff duffs which shows how important she was to the show and what a massive loss she will be. Quote:
You have described exactly how I feel. I wasn't particularly invested in Ronnie since the whole Vincent/Arthur convoluted mess. I didn't tune in to catch up on Ronnie scenes/episodes during the months I stopped watching EE. I have no idea what happened with Danielle's brother stalking Ronnie
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and I have no idea how and when Jack returned and how they got back together this time.
As far as I know he just came back for a friend's wedding and stayed.Quote:
However, having watched the wedding episode (haven't watched the build up if there was any),
There was no build up or investment in Ronnie's exit other than she was really happy and Jack was increasingly pushing her to the point where she was going to have to choose him or Roxy. Roxy got quite a bit of build up as she began to feel inadequate as a mother and ended up back on cocaine. Roxy was on course to making all the same mistakes her mother made - and actually she was worse than her mother as she was in denial and turning to drugs.Quote:
Jack will move on,
or will be gone within a year. Either way after a few harrowing weeks it will be done and dusted.Quote:
the kids are too young to carry any storyline related to bereavement and loss
which makes their deaths pointless. With the possible exception of Jay, no one really cared about Roxy other than Glenda and slightly Donna, so no fall out to her exit. Ronnie is dead so she can't grieve for her either. Quote:
and it is probably the last we see of Glenda.
I think she is staying around for a few episodes/weeks but no one seems to know how long. However as said in another post I am okay with that. Yes lots of wasted opportunities re Glenda, However I do think there has been closure - albeit a sad closure - as they sort of made peace with her before they died. And she now gets punished forevermore for her shortcomings.Quote:
The Mitchell's are quickly disappearing and Ben and Louise who one could argue are the future are still too young to replace, or carry the kind of storylines Phil or Ronnie and to some degree Roxy would..
Louise doesn't do it for me. The actress can act but I think she is miscast. I can't take her seriously as a schoolgirl. I wish they would get rid and bring in Courtney. I like Ben and Jay but the family are missing some strong females. Sharon is not and never will be a Mitchell in my eyes.
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We actually got to see the R&R club tonight. How long before SOC renames it?
Last chance to see Ronnie tonight in the wedding video. Lovely little scene in her last credited episode. |
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We actually got to see the R&R club tonight. How long before SOC renames it?
Last chance to see Ronnie tonight in the wedding video. Lovely little scene in her last credited episode. Who owns the club now? Last I knew Phil bought Jack's share 6 years ago and Roxy sold her share to Janine a few months later. |
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I was tearful.
Who owns the club now? Last I knew Phil bought Jack's share 6 years ago and Roxy sold her share to Janine a few months later. ![]() I'm surprised that Phil has not looked at that photo with the girls he took. Some people want Ronnie's crimes to come out after her death but I think they should leave her to rest in peace now. Let the Fatboy/Carl plots rest with her. |
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One storyline in her latest stint that went nowhere was all the stuff with Vincent. Him calling her 'blue eyes' all the time as if they had some past love affair in Ibiza. Of course it turned out to be a one week affair when she was looking for Roxy when she went off with Carl.
It all seemed to go nowhere and one of the reasons that under DTC, Ronnie's character was just never going in one solid direction like it did under Santer. Shabnam and Dean and their child. Really odd idea that made for a shock moment but ultimately had little substance. It was not necessary. Should have left Dean out of the whole story. Then there was the entirely of the Gavin story. The Vincent thing always was a bit odd. When he first showed up, you're right I assumed he must have been from her Ibiza days. It would've made more sense - the whole Hubbard's/Mitchell blood feud was beyond nonsense. It added nothing to anything. |
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I agree LaneKent, the deaths do feel pointless. Like you say, Jack will move on soon - and already I'm sitting here wondering...is that really it?
Just seeing the Branning's sitting round the table, it felt odd - other than Jack you wouldn't know what had just happened. It seems more like the reaction after a relatives long illness. There is a sort of quieter grief, a melancholy as it wasn't unexpected. Jack just lost his wife, the mother of his his dead son, her sister - the mother of his daughter. It's a massive, shocking loss. It's understandable the child actors can't pull it off, there have been a few child soap actors who can handle a bit of dramatic acting, but I don't think the little girl who plays Amy was cast with more dramatic stories in mind. I actually really like her as she does do a very good job with the day to day stuff. She behaves very naturally. Thing is, Amy is 8 years old, not 4. 8 year olds are children, but they are complicated little beings by that age. 8 year olds are well aware of death, and one of the earliest true fears children have are the deaths of their parents. One of the most common ideas/tropes in children's fiction is the deaths of parents, or being orphaned. That's a true tragedy children can appreciate, unlike most others which require more adult understanding. A child of Amy's age would also be very confused, upset and bewildered - one minute she's having the time of her life at her father's wedding - getting to be a part of it. Everything's happy and exciting changes are happening. Kids get very into things like moving to a new house, a new school. Sure, there may be anxieties but it's also a little adventure. Suddenly, what is happening? An air of depression has taken over(kids feel this) no one seems happy or excited. It's one thing for it not have sunk in, but a Amy would have had a much, bigger, stronger reaction. Matthew is too young and Ricky spent most of his life with Sam(he'd still be very affected though, make no mistake) but Amy at least should have been shown to run up to her bedroom, or run into her dads arms - just anything that showed what she'd lost. I wouldn't expect much, like I said, I'm sure the actress isn't up to it. They didn't even try though. I keep hoping there will be something in a future episode - but it doesn't really matter now. |
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