Well, then the question applies to you all. If Josie said the show was flat that was not a remark that should have been put on a public forum either. It's a question of people having some common sense. We are not criticising Josie here, in fact the very opposite. We are all saying how well she is doing. We just don't want anyone to spoil it for her. But if fans think by tweeting what they are tweeting is helping Josie, they are misguided.

Not talking about other people! Sorry I dont get your point

Yes but not at a case to get so personal on another person! in my opinion it is unnecessary, she is a normal woman who made a mistake believe it or not but doesnt deserved to be judged as harshly as she has been in my opinion! you obviously disagree thats up to you think its unrealistic to assume one mistaken post that no one would have heard about had it not been posted in here or discussed! could have been pulled before anything or even wait for clarification on what was meant by the post

Anyways got to go Said all I wish to at this point so have a good saturday

My last post on this is: If this was Dens first mention of Josies business, I would have no problem and over look it.

I dont dispute Den right tohave an opinion on anything she wants but why does she bring Josie into it.

Doesn't she realise that some people out there immediatly take that as grist to the mill that Josie is pulling everybodies strings.

They think all Josie does is get her cronies to manipulate any situation for her own ends.

WE know its poppycock but some deluded people actually believe it.

Nuff said going to get a soothing cup of tea.

Hope Wends is ok today. Feel so sorry for her.

See you all later. Bye.

As you often do Heidi, you make some valid points

I did not, as I am not a Mucker or a Loy, get the information from a private Fb page myself, it was there on twitter being discussed when I logged on. I also have not screencapped it and tweeted it about! Information from Loys and Muckers is often brought onto the threads.

As you often do, as many often do - recall the other night - I was bringing over a discussion point from twitter where I saw it, rather than discussing it on there. We have also discussed the Sherrie information on here, as you know... it was out there for the twitterdom to see.

You're right, it is second hand information, perhaps there should be less Josie said this and Josie said that floating around.

I do not think that Josie had anything to do with anything regarding this subject. I do not even know whether Josie knows that conversations she has are repeated on the Fb page, although presumably she does.

Sorry, Lainey, this comment may have been on a private FB page - I think we had a similar problem last week with one that was on a FB page last week. The problem with Den is her reputation for putting out damaging tweets goes before her. Someone on the Muckers page obviously felt it was fair game to put it out there. And have done so with similar things in the past. And private comments to Den by Josie should not be repeated anywhere on any kind of public forum - which even a private FB page is, as has been proven.

I think that's something we've been saying to ourselves about people commenting on this thread on twitter quite happily knocking it when they clearly do not read the thread regularly or take account of all the posts on it, and pick on one particular post. Just saying, shezha.

Thats the thing kay it wasnt from josie, she mis worded her post and I dont think josie is actually associated with any comments! It was a mistake when she realised how some people toook it she removed the post! just a loss on communication in my opinion! I think untill you see it for yourself no one should slag her to the extent she was getting! Fact is it was word of mouth and the correction of it was not put here! As is what happens the truth or corrections dont make the same impact!

Honestly I dont believe the comment was meant as to how it was taken but thats just me xxxxxx

Regardless of whether the post was misinterpreted or not Den directly implicated Josie by saying 'I have spoken to Josie and she agrees'. By all means Den is entitled to her opinions but as a close friend of Josie's if she wishes to share with us Josie's personal opinions then maybe she should be a little more responsible with what she chooses to post.

There are enough haters who will jump on just about anything to get at Josie, and misinterpreted posts by her friends are just the fodder they are looking for.

Do u think the people who think they "OWN" the appreciation of Josie and the ones who think they "own" the appreciation of John think we spend our time slagging either one of them off. Do they not read the site and see how we do actually discuss things from both sides. In fact the JJAT think we are the josie loving site and hate John on here. We are allowed to discuss their faults and wrong moves aswell as how nice we think they are though aren't we?

I know that, but we here on this thread who are supposed to support them both, we know that those facebook pages are private and therefore in my mind, especially anything that could be seen as damaging to either Josie or John, should not be spread HERE....

Let the ones who spread hate and critisise spread it on twitter, or on other threads, but I just didn't like that that post was brought into this thread...

We know, that johnfans try their upmost to find something damaging about Josie these days, cause they don't have anything else to talk about, so this kind of information that has a bit of a negative clang and information that WILL get twisted amongst certain groups just should not be to be found on this thread...

And still private is private....


Yes, I know but that wasn't anything that apparently John or Josie had said and was not damaging to them. That was a discussion in which everyone agreed that bringing over information from someone's private fb was wrong..... I know it then got repeated what apparently was in there, like this is now, but it was nothing bad or damaging to Josie to John or even Sherrie for that matter. It was just wrong that that info had been brought over from her private FB page. But we are not a Sherrie AT. We are JJJ AT and I don't really understand the point on talking on and on about something that will get twisted and therefore will be negative towards Josie, one of the two to whom this AT was set up!

BIB I agree with this. She has an manager who is there to negotiate contracts for her and to get her work. I have never been comfortable with all the petitions/tweets etc even when John and Josie were together to try and get them onto shows and magazines - but that is just me. As I said it is the manager's job to do this - this is just my opinion of course

I don't think any of us on here believed it was anything to do with Josie and stated that clearly. But Ali brought it over after the storm had started, Heidi, as a result of constant tweets, including Josie's name. To say the show is rubbish is one thing, to even say you would rather Josie had a bigger part is also one thing, but to ally that with getting rid of other presenters is quite another.

Had to check I was on the right thread for a min

I hope everyone is going to respectfully agree to disagree.

Catching up, as usual, I can see where both sides are coming from.

Really, don't think it was wrong to bring over a discussion which was already out there on twitter. It is done many times on here.

I do not agree with any personal attacks, but I can understand where some feel frustrated when posts are put out there which have the potential to damage by association.

For Den who posted tweet,(fair enough, may have been a mistake) maybe this is an example of why it is important to think about what you tweet and the impact it may have. Rightly or wrongly, Den has an association with Josie which she has put out there on twitter ..... she has said she has advocated for Josie before ......there is a responsibilty there because a simple tweet can turn into world war 3.

we were all discussing bb and bbots on twitter and everywhere my post was misconstrued and worded badly hence the reason i have removed it i said the program was flat not josie and i meant that we would all love to see her on it more as she does lift it and i will stand by that i actually feel sick to my stomach that the way this has been talked about I cannot stress enough that I Said the program was flat nobody else and it is just my opinion i said to muckers lets tweet this out to get josie on the program more and again i stand by that because quite frankly it is quite boring and needs some life putting into it. i think emma willis is doing a cracking job but we need some more exciting guests on the show thats all nothing more nothing less now can you all go back to appreciating john and josie isnt that what this thread is for. i apologise if it came out wrong and please be aware i would never ever do anything to hurt josie or her career in any way shape or form

Well, let's hope Den takes the mistake to heart and learns by it, for Josie's sake.

And, gussie, we are not actually discussing either of them at the moment but the consequences of one person's actions at this point in time on Josie - in fact, a true appreciation of Josie.

oh what should we do to commemorate the eviction of Johnny James. He was a brilliant housemate with his angry bouts, his self depreciating humour, his whinging, his tears, his relationship with Dave and his relationship with Josie of course. As a housemate he had everything u could ask for. And i for one was very sad when he got evicted 4 days too early.

Same. Her new management have got her this good job, it's a good move, it's their job to get as much work as they can for Josie and to help further her career. As we've just seen, Josie's column will be back, so her management appear to be on the ball and keeping the work coming. All is good

I am going to do a wishart on you, Heidi. Just because I can.

I agree, the show is flat and that's down to the producers; hopefully the producers will pull their fingers out and do something to give it more bounce, as it'd be a shame to waste Emma on a show that is getting a lot of flack from all quarters. Hopefully it will have more content about discussing what's actually going on in the House as things move along. I do think they left Josie sort of sitting at the desk a bit without asking her enough, she's the one that's been in the House more than anybody else they had there, and the experience in CBB however brief, so she has a different perspective that should have been asked about more, in my opinion.

I just said that on my post, or what do you mean. That fans and supporter should just stop with these petitions ect.

Or did I misunderstand?

My point was that that like the Sherrie thing was on PRIVATE fb page and like the Sherrie-info was brought ----- probably by a person who does not like the other partie to twitter ----- only in attemp to try and cause trouble.

But my problem was that this is a JJJAT and that info had the potential to be used against Josie in a bad way, so why bring it here? Were supposed to be supporters

Ali knows what I mean, and we are cool, btw. I'm not attacking Ali here

I am assuming this is Denise. Please be clear that most of us are not disputing that you have the best of intentions and if I have said anything that has offended you today then I apologise for that.

However, I do feel bound to say that as somebody who knows Josie that what you say does get taken on board, by others, as being attributed to Josie. This may seem unfair but guilt by association is an unfair fact of life. The thread has to deal with it all the time. On here we all support Josie and want to see her do well in her career and personal life and it upsets us when we feel that she may be blamed for the words and actions of others.

It is important that friends and family are careful in what they say publicly in case it gets misconstrued. I am afraid the "I say what I want and I don't care what anyone thinks" mentality just isn't appropriate when dealing with somebody in the public eye.