ha .. well I intentionally buy a different make every time I change a car --- same old ... soon gets boring ... have never bought same make of phone/computer twice either!

See Im no Apple lover (as Im sure you guessed ) but I can see that Jobs was an exceptional businessman and very clever at marketing.

What I cant see is that he is some 'saint like' individual that could do no wrong ?!

And this again leads to my thoughts that Apple have peaked. I think he was key in Apples success and I genuinely think that the Apple World will miss the guy. I don't, however, think that the rest of the world will.

A good businessman - yes. A 'nice' businessman - no. And dont say that there is no such thing. Many businesses give HUGE donations to charity. Apple has only started doing so since Q4 last year. Apple has only started divulging its full product manufacturing chain since Q4 last year which has led to all the exposure regarding poor H&S records .....

Wiping out Malaria or wiping out Android ? Which is the best thing to be remembered for ?

exactly my point

so much choice out there in everything !

Wiping out Malaria would be nice. Jobs' isn't going to wipe out anything now is he. He's gone.

I'm not sure if they've peaked yet or not. The analysts seem to think not. Honestly, I couldn't care less. I don't judge the tech and phones that I buy on whether the company that makes them is doing well, I buy them based on whether they serve my requirements, much like yourself it seems.

If I was influenced by what's cool or has the latest greatest specs, I'd be rocking a Galaxy Nexus instead of an HTC ChaCha, but I bought the HTC because I like the keyboard.

on a side-note i do quite like the cha-cha .... looks to be trying to bring in the 'blackberry' waverers. A clever bit of Marketing by HTC ! how do you find app compatability on the screen ? it seems more landscape by default i guess ?

My old winmo 6.5 phone had a slide-out keyboard and i did find it tricky to adjust to on-screen on my last phone (HTC Desire).

I do sport a Nexus myself now tho

There's a few apps that don't work with it, and some that aren't ideal, but all of my main apps are available, and there's quite a few nice casual games that would be landscape on a portrait device, and they just work. The only pain has been the low memory warning, but I've seen that a lot less since HTC issued the 2.3.5 Gingerbread update. I gained back about 30MB!

I'm like you. I've had all types of smartphones over the years, Palm Treo, several different WinMo, Symbian, iPhone, and Android. The only one I really didn't like was a BlackBerry Curve. It just felt like a step back in time.

I hope there is an unofficial unauthorised biography out before long, one that doesn't spend every page fawning over him.

We all know his quote which I don't believe he ever retracted that he was proud to steal other's ideas.

Are you a follower of the XDA Developers site ? My HTC Desire used to get regular 'out of space' messages but a little bit of tweaking based on XDA advice and it was like a whole new machine

Yeah, I've been a member for years. As I say, it's not been an issue since the update before Christmas, so I haven't bothered rooting it this time.

See I didn't think the biog fawned over him. I thought it was pretty honest and that he came across as a deeply flawed man, with a load of personal issues that he took out on other people. If anything, I think it made quite clear that he was pretty unpleasant a lot of the time, and that he couldn't possibly have achieved what he did without the likes of Woz and Jony Ives.

What the hell are you talking about?

My hatred? Simply because i disagree with something it makes me have hate? Your are seriously delusional.

I have a 4S just now, i have a mac, I also have 2 ipods in the house. The missus also has an iphone 4. I don't hate apple so get a grip for christ sake. What i do hate if you want to call it that is their practices. They will crumble if they carry on the way they are.

Clever does not equal brilliant either.

Apple are worried that people will realise that apples are not he only fruit. Android is taking more market share and part of Apples pie that it wants all to itself. Saint Steve my be off to Silicone Heaven but his Holy War against Android is continuing on. It is worth noting that its a war by proxy. Apple havent grown the balls yet to tackle Google. They possibly see it better to pick of the weaker manufactures than go head to head with Goliath.

Here is a few choice quotes from Apple about their latest round of legal battles.

"A preliminary injunction regarding Samsung's new Galaxy Nexus, which infringes multiple key Apple patents, is essential to prevent immediate and irreparable harm to Apple".

"Absent preliminary relief, by the time Apple prevails in this case – and Samsung's infringement is so clear there can be no serious dispute that Apple will prevail – Samsung will have rushed the Galaxy Nexus, which misappropriates many patented features from the iPhone, to capture market share from Apple that Samsung will be able to retain long into the future,"

"Even worse ... the full harm to Apple cannot be calculated, making it impossible for Apple to be compensated by money damages."

"While Samsung sells products copying features that make the iPhone distinct, Samsung has simultaneously embarked on an advertising campaign designed to tarnish Apple and mock its consumers for considering Apple's products distinctive and, for that reason, valuable,"


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02..._us_ban_nexus/

Read your comment back. It's incredibly aggressive in tone. All of your posts about Apple come across like that. That's why I believe you hate Apple.

I'll tell you why its aggressive shall i?

Maybe because i am sick of people like you. I or anyone says one bad word against the almighty apple and people like you jump right down our throats shouting 'haters!' like some sort of pre-pubescent teen. Its pathetic.

No company is perfect. No phone is perfect. They both include apple.

Also, if i hated apple like you amusingly state, why would i own anything from them.

Apple are just chasing their tails here they know they can't ban the phone sales in USA they are simply just out to cause whatever grief they can, nothing else to spend their money on. A few ideas might be worker welfare or RandD though.

By the time anything is sorted in the court the next raft of androids will be out and around we will go again.

"People like you"?

And who am I? I've NEVER referred to someone as a "hater" on here. It's a stupid term, something that idiotic teenagers use.

When you talk about "jump down our throats", who are you all that you're referring to, because if you mean Android users, I'm one too.

Seriously, the tone of your posts is pretty unpleasant and aggressive, so I'm asking nicely, please try and tone it back.

You sat there and said i had a pathalogical hatred for Apple which is complete and utter rubbish.


I've already explained this....

I'm talking about any time i or anyone on here say anything bad about apple we get absolutely lynched and frankly i'm completely fed up with it.

Apple have become downright robbers and are hell bent on preventing any others competing with them while they rip off folks with £100 16GB Flash Memory or £62 iPhone batteries not to mention their macbooks that cost 3 times as much as others with Windows installed with the same spec.

Apple have lost the plot and are now reliant on litigation rather than innovation for competitiveness.

Apple are now on the way down as a computer company and rightly so.

Your comment came across like you were trying to lump me in with the Apple fanboys on here. That's why I asked. The issue I have isn't with any one group or another. As I've said repeatedly I use (and have used) smartphones and devices of multiple operating systems over the years. The reason that I've taken exception with your posts recently is that it seems you're getting more and more aggressive in the tone of your posts.

I'm sure you're a good bloke, but sooner or later you'll really irk someone and they'll report you to the mods. I'm just asking you to think about how your posts come across so that doesn't happen to you. If you don't care, fine, it's up to you. I was just trying to get you to chill a bit!

I don't agree with the legal nonsense (plus Apple certainly doesn't need it in the tablet market), but Apple is not on the way down as a computer company...

Apple sold more iPads last quarter than any single PC manufacturer sold PCs (15.43 million iPads, 15.1 million HP computers, 13 million Lenovo computers, 11.9 million Dell computers). [as well as selling far, far more iPads than all the combined competition in the actual tablet market]

As well as sales of iPads going up each quarter, sales of Macs are increasing, with 5.2 million Macs sold during the most recent quarter, 26% up on the same quarter a year ago.

Apple's shares crossed $500 for the first time today, and the company is worth $460 billion.

Apple is the most valuable publicly traded company in the world, and is the largest technology company in the world by revenue and profit, worth more than MS and Google combined.

Apple's profits are going up and up, and it has $97.6 billion in cash reserves.


On the way down?

Apple is pathetic with all these lawsuits and they are only seeking to destroy themselves in the process....

They are VERY scared of Android, it's clear Jobs & Co realised it was another Windows vs. Mac scenario and they've decided to try and sue their way out of it....but even then it hasn't stopped Android's astronomical growth and overnight market takeover...

Apple seriously need to re-evaluate where they are heading, the iPhone 4S was a joke product, a few hardware upgrades to bring it into line with last gen Android products and Siri (who the hell needs it? Why?), the only thing they are banking on are the Apple faithful to blindly run out and by their products....the upgrades between their phones keep getting smaller and smaller, the iPhone 5 is going to have to be a serious gamechanger to save Apple from disaster.

And then there's iOS, Apple have a nerve suing all these companies when they themselves have directly copied features from Android and WP7. They have just completely ruined their credibility with all the lawsuits. They are just desperate now. And it shows. :yawn:

Why was the 4S a "joke product"?

Why does the next iPhone "have to be a serious gamechanger to save Apple from disaster"? What disaster? Have you seen Apple's sales figures, its profits, its growth (see my previous post). It's going up and up, no sign of disaster.[Plus despite its dominance of the smartphone market - which was never owned by Apple - Android shows no signs of making a serious dent in the lucrative tablet market]

The 4S sold amazingly well, and quickly became Apple's fastest selling ("joke") product...

How are the upgrades getting smaller? Was the 4S a smaller upgrade than the 3GS? No... Full redesigns come every other model (e.g. 3GS to 4). People hyped things up based on nonsense reports about a tapered iPhone 5 etc., so got disappointed when it inevitably and predictably was simply an "S" upgrade with a spec. bump. And even so, the 4S sold (& continues to sell) extremely well, even though it wasn't a re-design.

The iOS5 Notification Centre was based upon a Jailbreak-only notification system... Apple even hired the person who wrote it.

Sure, some bits of iOS seem similar to other OSes...and vice versa...they do all seem to take... inspiration... from each other.


As for all the lawsuits... I agree that they're stupid. But I don't think it was realisation that "it was another Windows vs. Mac scenario"... it seemed to stem from Jobs' hatred of Android and how he perceived it to be an iOS rip-off (all that stuff from the bio about his anger at Android and how he wanted to "destroy it"...it wasn't fear of Android).


Oh, and they are all doing it... it's hardly just Apple instigating lawsuits...

This is from last August. It's probably even more of a mess now...

http://blog.thomsonreuters.com/index...ic-of-the-day/

http://graphics.thomsonreuters.com/R.../PATENT_CI.jpg

Which was still ripped right out of Android and its a bad, bad copy. Next to useless.

Anyway, all the suing is getting absolutely stupid. If i was the judge i was throw the entire lot out from everyone, tell them to bloody grow up.

Who actually benefits from all this suing ? If Apple arent concerned over loss of market share then they should stop suing. Google themselves dont seem to have entered the fray much so dont seem too concerned.

Only the lawyers gain and those that suffer are the users who end up paying more and end up with less choice and far less innovation.

Does anyone here, even the devout Apple fans, believe that the world would be a better place if the iPhone was the only smartphone available ?

Again - im no Apple fan, but I wouldnt want them to disappear as the competition brings us the best new features and a constant drive to improve.

That is all well and good. However they are losing market share to android in the phone market. Android has a larger share of the phone market than iOS. Android is also gaining market share in the tablet market. In a few years time Android will have a greater share than iOS in the tablet market. Jobs saw this happening, and the only way he could think of stopping it was to sue other companies. The iphone 4s was a very small step forward, and was a let down for most apple people. They were expecting something more. The 4s wasnt better than the SGS2 that was released a year or more earlier.

Apple arent going anywhere for the foreseeable future. The huge bank balance will see to that. I think the more competitors in the market, the better for the consumer. If there was no Apple, you can see Android becoming quite stagnant, which isnt good for anyone. If I had apple stock, I would be looking to sell it before the end of the year. Probably wait for the iphone 5 release (rumoured this year), and then sell.