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How far will Apple go against Samsung and Android phone manufacturers and end users?
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The Lord Lucan
14-02-2012
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“You remember wrongly.

No one did. The judge amusingly thought they looked similar but later was thrown out.”

From 3 meters away..

http://gizmodo.com/5849803/even-sams...ablet-and-ipad
Stiggles
14-02-2012
Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan:
“From 3 meters away..

http://gizmodo.com/5849803/even-sams...ablet-and-ipad”

You would have to be either blind or thick as shit to not see the difference.

I mean the blatant Apple logo and the fact the Samsung has Samsung on the front and back gives it away.

Anyway, could you tell the difference between a Samsung telly and a Panasonic telly from a distance equal to seeing the small pads at? I bet you couldn't which makes this absolutely non newsworthy.

Like i said, thick as shit.
Haruhion
14-02-2012
Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan:
“From 3 meters away..

http://gizmodo.com/5849803/even-sams...ablet-and-ipad”

Most of these blog posts are exaggerated and ridiculous. It's like some "Anon" made them up literally just to stir up rubbish. Read that post seriously. You could drag a tramp off the street and ensure he is paid £20 to tell the difference between black and white, yet look at the picture used to illustrate the article. That's clearly not the "full picture" giving me a hard time believing everything I can read.
wilt
14-02-2012
For all the huffing a puffing Apple do with patent lawsuits they don't really seem to get anywhere - they have had a few temporary injunctions here and there but no outright wins.

There haven't really been many final verdicts though so they might end up with a few wins, however I have a hunch that they'll end this process with a lot fewer valid patents than when they started.
Stuart_h
15-02-2012
Originally Posted by wilt:
“For all the huffing a puffing Apple do with patent lawsuits they don't really seem to get anywhere - they have had a few temporary injunctions here and there but no outright wins.

There haven't really been many final verdicts though so they might end up with a few wins, however I have a hunch that they'll end this process with a lot fewer valid patents than when they started.”

Or the patent process will be forced to change .....
wilt
15-02-2012
Originally Posted by Stuart_h:
“Or the patent process will be forced to change .....”

I can't see the lawyers having any of that.
neo_wales
15-02-2012
Apple look to be bringing out a smaller pad this year @8" to combat loss of sales to other makers, market share for tablet sales dropped from around 69% to 61% (thats still a lot of iPads). The whole 'war' is getting silly in my opinion.
grumpyoldbat
15-02-2012
Originally Posted by neo_wales:
“Apple look to be bringing out a smaller pad this year @8" to combat loss of sales to other makers, market share for tablet sales dropped from around 69% to 61% (thats still a lot of iPads). The whole 'war' is getting silly in my opinion.”

I'd suspect that's to counter an improved 2nd gen Kindle Fire. The first gen seemed to have a few faults judging by the reviews, but I think Amazon's second gen, which is likely to be the one that's released here and elsewhere will be top notch, so Apple will want to have a cheaper option available to counter that - like they've done keeping on the 3GS and making it free.

Tim Cook isn't Steve Jobs, and I think he'll make a few subtle changes to how they do stuff over time.
Dai13371
15-02-2012
Originally Posted by munta:
“And if any of those functions were patented then Apple would have had to pay a licence fee. Just like other companies should pay a licence fee for any technology they use where Apple holds the patent.

Interestingly Apple holds around 1000 mobile related patents to Samsungs 12,000. So it is probably true that they are a better marketer than inventor. But, they still have the right to protect the patents that they down own, just like every other manufacturer.”

100 percent agree with you, but they have taken advantage of a very weak US patent system whereby simple ideas seem to be patented. Like others have said, slide to unlock in analog form has been around for years. Many laptops utilise an analog slide to lock in order to release the battery. How Apple got away with patenting this is a mystery. just because a user slides a finger along a designated pathway on the digitiser does not make it a brand new innovation, as Neonode will tell you seeing as they were the first mobile phone manufacturer to use digital slide to unlock in any phone anywhere at any time.
CoolboyA
16-02-2012
Apple is now trying to go after Kodak as well. Nobody is safe from them - they seem to think they invented everything!

http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/15/a...#disqus_thread
Stiggles
16-02-2012
Originally Posted by CoolboyA:
“Apple is now trying to go after Kodak as well. Nobody is safe from them - they seem to think they invented everything!

http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/15/a...#disqus_thread”

Good god! Will they ever stop!

They really are turning into a bunch of absolute arseholes...
munta
16-02-2012
Originally Posted by CoolboyA:
“Apple is now trying to go after Kodak as well. Nobody is safe from them - they seem to think they invented everything!

http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/15/a...#disqus_thread”

Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“Good god! Will they ever stop!

They really are turning into a bunch of absolute arseholes...”

You are both ignoring the fact that Kodak are currently suing apple. Why when apple sues Kodak is apple the villain. But when Kodak sues apple Kodak is not? You either allow companies to protect their IP or you don't, but it should be the same for everyone. And just so you are aware, apple are being sued over a patent covering sharing photos with out loading them to PC first. Surely that's not a new idea as people have been sharing photos without PC since the dawn of photograpty. Not so different to the complains made about apples legal cases.
Stiggles
16-02-2012
Originally Posted by munta:
“You are both ignoring the fact that Kodak are currently suing apple. Why when apple sues Kodak is apple the villain. But when Kodak sues apple Kodak is not? You either allow companies to protect their IP or you don't, but it should be the same for everyone. And just so you are aware, apple are being sued over a patent covering sharing photos with out loading them to PC first. Surely that's not a new idea as people have been sharing photos without PC since the dawn of photograpty. Not so different to the complains made about apples legal cases.”

Actually no, we are not ignoring that whatsoever.

All these lawsuits are rubbish. Apple for instance are suing Samsung AGAIN over another 4 hyserical IP's:-

Quote:
“Apple is fighting the Ice Cream Sandwich-loaded Nexus over four patents: predictive text; a data-tapper feature, which recognises data such as phone numbers and provides a link directly to the dialler, for example; a voice search feature that Apple believes is imitative of Siri; and the popular using-an-image-to-unlock feature.”

Now come on! Predictive text!! We all know apple didn't do any one of them first, yet they have the bloody cheek to sue Samsung again? Funny thing is, they wont sue Google who actually make the OS.

Normally apple sues when they 'think' people have infringed their IP. I mean look at the whole Apple/Samsung debacle. Its absolute bollocks. Apple claim the S2 and the Galaxy Tablet look like the iphone and the ipad? What the hell were they smoking when they decided that rubbish? Only a complete fool would think they look alike. They now have more money than the US government. They see a threat and try to extinguish it by suing. Dont you think its odd that not one of apple lawsuits so far have been won?

Its simple really. They are all absolute nonsense. I mean old jobsie dropped the clanger when he claimed he would spend every last cent to destroy Android. But he really didn't have the balls to do it did he? Instead of trying to sue google they keep going after Samsung as they are the biggest threat to apple.

Like i said before. its about time the judges grew some bloody balls and throw every single lawsuit out by all companies and tell them to bloody grow the hell up.

Anyway, its clear to see whats going to happen soon. Consumers are going to see Apple for what they are. A greedy, manipulative, hideous company and they will come down with a bump soon.
Stiggles
16-02-2012
Haha!

I was just reading the lawsuit Apple have thrown on Samsung earlier in regards to the predictive text etc and this quote made me laugh!

Quote:
“"While Samsung sells products copying features that make the iPhone distinct, Samsung has simultaneously embarked on an advertising campaign designed to tarnish Apple and mock its consumers for considering Apple's products distinctive and, for that reason, valuable,"”

Now, isnt this what apple did with the 'I'm a Mac, I'm a PC' adverts? They rubbished PC's for years.......

Funny how its ok for Apple to do it when it suits them.....
munta
16-02-2012
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“Actually no, we are not ignoring that whatsoever.

All these lawsuits are rubbish. Apple for instance are suing Samsung AGAIN over another 4 hyserical IP's:-



Now come on! Predictive text!! We all know apple didn't do any one of them first, yet they have the bloody cheek to sue Samsung again? Funny thing is, they wont sue Google who actually make the OS.

Normally apple sues when they 'think' people have infringed their IP. I mean look at the whole Apple/Samsung debacle. Its absolute bollocks. Apple claim the S2 and the Galaxy Tablet look like the iphone and the ipad? What the hell were they smoking when they decided that rubbish? Only a complete fool would think they look alike. They now have more money than the US government. They see a threat and try to extinguish it by suing. Dont you think its odd that not one of apple lawsuits so far have been won?

Its simple really. They are all absolute nonsense. I mean old jobsie dropped the clanger when he claimed he would spend every last cent to destroy Android. But he really didn't have the balls to do it did he? Instead of trying to sue google they keep going after Samsung as they are the biggest threat to apple.

Like i said before. its about time the judges grew some bloody balls and throw every single lawsuit out by all companies and tell them to bloody grow the hell up.

Anyway, its clear to see whats going to happen soon. Consumers are going to see Apple for what they are. A greedy, manipulative, hideous company and they will come down with a bump soon.”

That is probably true, but Apple is no worse or no better than the rest of them and if they have a patent, then they have a right if not a duty to their shareholders to try and enforce it. Its for the courts to decide if the patent is unenforceble
grumpyoldbat
16-02-2012
Seriously, someone needs to slap the US Patent office....

http://mashable.com/2012/02/15/apple...s-macbook-air/

I don't know when Apple filed this patent (and I don't actually care), but small thin laptops have been around for several years. A friend had a skinny little Sony one at least 5 or 6 years ago!
alanwarwic
16-02-2012
Obviously its not a Mac because it offers industry standard HDMI and memory expansion.

Apple made it a fashion industry but unlike fashion, it wants to ban the evolutionary trends enabled by the low heat chips.
With the media still slavishly reporting every word from reclusive Apple, they will no doubt sue for the smearing side affect gains.

What is bizarre is that it is Asus who single handedly created the very small laptop marketplace for where 11.6" netbooks fit.
grumpyoldbat
16-02-2012
The thin light Sony I'm referring to pre-dates Asus' eeePC range by about 4 years.

Edit: this is the thing I'm thinking of:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06...io_vgn-x505vp/

Released in 2004!!!
CoolboyA
16-02-2012
Originally Posted by grumpyoldbat:
“The thin light Sony I'm referring to pre-dates Asus' eeePC range by about 4 years.

Edit: this is the thing I'm thinking of:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06...io_vgn-x505vp/

Released in 2004!!!”

Sony clearly traveled into the future and stole Apples' ideas. Totally plausible.
grumpyoldbat
16-02-2012
Originally Posted by CoolboyA:
“Sony clearly traveled into the future and stole Apples' ideas. Totally plausible.”

Haha!
Stuart_h
16-02-2012
Its the rush to run out and patent things that have been out for ages that is stupid. And the fact that such vague wording is allowed.

All companies look to be guilty of it but (currently) Apple seem to be the major cuplrites ....
grumpyoldbat
16-02-2012
Originally Posted by Stuart_h:
“Its the rush to run out and patent things that have been out for ages that is stupid. And the fact that such vague wording is allowed.

All companies look to be guilty of it but (currently) Apple seem to be the major cuplrites ....”

They're probably trying to patent new stuff to catch up with Motorola who seem to have the most of anyone, and you know that as soon as the Google deal is finalised, they're going to use them!
alanwarwic
25-02-2012
Well , it seems to be all happening. (though not at Guardian who make their living from Apple stories)

According to the Register "Apple has switched off push notifications in Germany".

And the Proview Ipad name rights battles has moved to the US with Proview say Apple had " intent to defraud and induce the plaintiffs to enter into iPad agreement".
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...1M0NY20120224?
Apple had accused Proview of telling fibs so it had really given me doubts about the existence of that IP Application Development company.
NT4
25-02-2012
Think they can just keep going with the money they have.....
alanwarwic
27-02-2012
The BBC have now taken up the mantle on this story.
Apple are now accused for fraud.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17152957

I'm not quite sure whether catching a sucker is fraud.
Is it not just good business?
In the past the record industry suckered plenty of artists.
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