[Hamlet77]

All these people moaning that TUTV is not a rip off cos its the only way they can get pay channels, well just cos its the only option does not make it value for money?

So please this continued 'only option' arguement is a non starter, so give it up.

[paulsalter]

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Originally Posted by Hamlet77

All these people moaning that TUTV is not a rip off cos its the only way they can get pay channels, well just cos its the only option does not make it value for money?

So please this continued 'only option' arguement is a non starter, so give it up.

How can you say its not value for money for some people

For what I watch it is more value for money than the other providers even though there are less/timshared channels

[chris223b]

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All these people moaning that TUTV is not a rip off cos its the only way they can get pay channels, well just cos its the only option does not make it value for money?

So please this continued 'only option' arguement is a non starter, so give it up.

Value for money is a personal issue; one person's value for money is another's complete waste of it. Regardless of the timeshares, regardless of the channel choice, TUTV has content which other channels either don't have at all, have later, or have rarely. For me, the channels have enough of the said content for me to be happy to part with £7.99 / month in order to see it. I can honestly say that I do spend most of my time watching the TUTV channels now (although you do still get the occasional gem on UK History) and I can also honestly say that I'd really miss it if it were gone.

Many people (I'm not saying you, I'm saying many people) use the combined argument that TUTV is 'poor value for money' (or a 'rip off') because it has 'channels which aren't on half the time and shows crap that you can allready get on Freeview'.

Obviously, if your viewpoint is that the channels aren't worthwhile because you wouldn't watch them, then the service isn't right for you and so would be poor value for money if you were to subscribe to it. That does not however mean that it is poor value for money per se.

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What I am saying is it is better value to get the base pack at 19.50 with sky then pay 17.99 for topuptv eleven shoehorned channels.for the sake of 2 pounds would you go to topuptv to save your dear two pounds or pay just a little bit extra and go with ntl or telewest or sky?

So you're still trying to argue on the assumption that someone would subscribe to TVX too then (in which case they'd actually be paying £17.98, but never mind)? If you did get the £20.50 (£19.50 is a bit out of date now, mate) and soon to be £21.50 family pack, they wouldn't get TVX with that. That would incur an additional £10.99 subscription, pushing Sky up to £32.49 / month.

Compare prices if you will, but at least compare like with like. £7.99 vs £20.50, £17.98 vs £32.49.

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Topuptv is a rip off.A sheer rip off.I would never NEVER pay 17.99 or even 7.99 for shoe horned unpopular channels.I dont watch e4 and i dont even watch Discovery.

'Shoe horned unpopular channels'. UK Gold is one of the twin towers of pay TV in the UK, E4 is the channel that in less than 4 years has ripped the heart out of Sky One, including the unprecedented step of managing to take Friends and ER away from them, Discovery is one of the most recognised and respected factual brands in the world.

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Catch the latest news with cnn or watch Conan or Tonight show with Jay Leno on weekends with cnbc.New series of Lilo and stitch on Disney channel or watch sports action on sky sports.

So a moment ago you were speaking of Family Pack choice, now you've got people adding on The Disney Channel, Sky Movies and Sky Sports. In other words, you're more than likely talking about the channel choice you get on Sky World - which is £41 / month; more than double the price you were talking about earlier, and more than 5 times the cost of a TUTV subscription.

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There is better value else where if you just know where to look.It is not nessasarly about how easy it is to join,but how much choice they give you and for what price.

And price is also about what people are prepared and/or able to pay. A £7.99 / month sub is affordable and justifiable to most people. Moving up to £20.50 / month for Sky takes a lot more thought.

[Hamlet77]

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Originally Posted by paulsalter

How can you say its not value for money for some people

For what I watch it is more value for money than the other providers even though there are less/timshared channels

SEVEN POUNDS NINETY NINE PENCE A MONTH for 10 shared channels. Of which only five are ever broadcasting at any one time. The most any channel broadcasts for is thirteen hours so in comparison it should at best be considered as only 5 channels and for most of the day only four. which works out at nearly 2 pounds a day for what is most of the time repeats.

The channels offered in my opinion are not the best, even of those that are not premier channels.

No History Channel
No National Geographic Channel.

No Nickleodeon.

And for a quarter of the time (admittedly late at night) one of their slots is an additonal costing channel i.e 20% of their available space is taken up with a premium rate channel.

Fine Sky packages are dearer but take the family pack 3 times the cost but 3 times the pay channels TWENTY FOUR HOURS A DAY. It condemns TUTV to being a rip off.

[chris223b]

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SEVEN POUNDS NINETY NINE PENCE A MONTH for 10 shared channels.

This isn't the 1970's anymore you know. £7.99 is peanuts. It is less (indeed, a LOT less) than many people spend in the pub in one night. It is less than people readily spend on a CD or a DVD. It's less than ordering a pizza. It is not much money. If it is to you, then clearly TUTV isn't for you, so don't get it. Job done.

[Hamlet77]

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Originally Posted by chris223b

This isn't the 1970's anymore you know. £7.99 is peanuts. It is less (indeed, a LOT less) than many people spend in the pub in one night. It is less than people readily spend on a CD or a DVD. It's less than ordering a pizza. It is not much money. If it is to you, then clearly TUTV isn't for you, so don't get it. Job done.

Fine just call me Scrooge, but for 3 times the price you can get 3 times as many channels all day, If anything your anaolgy just highlights it Two pizza shops one charges 7.99 for 7 inch pizza and another charges 19.99 for 3, 12 inch (I am being generous to TUTV in comparison here it should be 21 inch pizzas) it just does not come anywhere near being comparable for pay tv. I may be mean but I know what is VFM and it ain't TUTV. ergo TUTV is a rip off, nuff said.

[pxd867]

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Originally Posted by Hamlet77

SEVEN POUNDS NINETY NINE PENCE A MONTH .......(yabba,yabba,yabba) TWENTY FOUR HOURS A DAY. It condemns TUTV to being a rip off.

Intellectually challenged people always resort to shouting when they can't make their point any other way. £7.99/month for channels that you would normally need to spend £19/month for, and the timeshared part doesn't really come into play, as I wouldn't watch it outside of those hours.

[MartinImber]

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Originally Posted by thepuffin

He's already said this in another thread.

I like the way his profile says he has . He can't even spell the thing he's trying to flog to us

I thought it was French channel Canal+

[ALtheDevil]

Surely the fundemental part of this whole arguement is "Choice"?

People have the Choice as the whether they subscribe to Top TV or just watch Freeview. We are all adults so lets get a grip!!!

[Blue100]

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Originally Posted by chris223b

This isn't the 1970's anymore you know. £7.99 is peanuts. It is less (indeed, a LOT less) than many people spend in the pub in one night. It is less than people readily spend on a CD or a DVD. It's less than ordering a pizza. It is not much money. If it is to you, then clearly TUTV isn't for you, so don't get it. Job done.

7.99,peanuts my arse!

As this topic continues on.I guess for an eternity unless some right minded person locks it.

topuptv is a bloody rip off.7.99 for ten shoehorned channels.Ten channels all crammed into little space.Discovery is crap.Bloomberg,oh please please,no more.if topuptv think stock and share index information is qaulity entertainment then they must have been given a sweety from Bloomberg company.

My only fave discovery channel is Science and civi.

We dont live in 1970s.Noone said we did.We are in 21st century land and I personally would rather pay a bit more for a package that I know is worthwhile.7.99 a month plus the occasional security updates.

They do this for securtiy reasons.They simply send you a new updated card and charge you 20 quid admin fee.

So 27.99 That beats Sky family pack,beats ntls telewest family pack minus the landline rental.

I mean is everyone okey or does everyone feel happy to just throw 7.99 for a service that is way to exagerrated as being a wonderful service.

You think,ring up company,get sent viewer card ram it into ex digital box and oh "THIS IS THE BEST THING IN THE WORLD!!"

and then roll up a Mardi Gras.Oh please please dont say we are living in a time of madness.I thought we left the madness,bohemian and alternative weirdos back in the 1980's.Seems we aint.

Get Sky or NTL?TELEWEST AND then you will see where I am coming from.Dont just throw your money away for a inferior service as Topuptv.

www.sky.com
www.ntl.co.uk
www.telewest.co.uk

Subscribe to one of them NOW! before you miss the latest offers.I know there are a lot of ntl customers still enjoying free base pack service for a year.

Now ntl are doing free family pack for a month.

Ntls personal reception number 0800 052 2000
*for cable run streets and for those who cant install dish.



Latest stuff On sky channels

Nick JR Your kids will ove this channel.Have fun daily with Dora
Skyone.All will be captivated in this new drama of Silverwood.also you will laugh your socks off with latest Simpsons.

CNN Get to grips with the World of Asia only on CNN.CNBC also does sports coverage at weekends.*CNBC may be a cable channel.

NickTOons Spongebob Squarepants eat your heart out.Enjoy and laugh your socks off.

for more info check the links

[George_D]

Best one this week I think.

[tomesy]

I'm going to start a poll:

Is Blue100

a) The best wind up artist ever to post in this thred (dont want to get too carried away)

b) A 14 year old kid with to much time on his hands (which explains the obsession with TVX subscriptions)

[Blue100]

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Originally Posted by tomesy

I'm going to start a poll:

Is Blue100

a) The best wind up artist ever to post in this thred (dont want to get too carried away)

b) A 12 year old kid with to much time on his hands (which explains the obsession with TVX subscriptions)

Honourable Friend,I am not winding people up on this.All my links are valid.My point is sky ntl offer better services compaired to topuptv.Saying quite strongly that just because all one has to do is ring and get sent card and ram it into ex digital box,this is not a good basis to start exagerating by making it sound that topuptv is Gods gracious gift to Humanity.Because it is not.And frankly it grates my nerves when I see people investing into inferior services.

I am not obsessed with porn channels.I watched Private Blue.It is a pile of crap.I know many will see it different.But after that exposure to porn I turned my eyes to Gothic culture.

So I am a gothic.
If you want to start a poll on me then that would be targetting an individual for having strong views.Bullying,singuling people out is just being brass.

If you want to subscribe to any of the cable or sky services then use the links.

Hope you do consider,not for me but for your happiness.And I hope those with sky or ntl/telewest can see that they are getting value for money and better choice,lineup of channels.

I watched the simpsons last night.The treehouse of horror.Absolutely funny.

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[paulsalter]

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Originally Posted by Blue100

7Now ntl are doing free family pack for a month.

Ntls personal reception number 0800 052 2000
*for cable run streets and for those who cant install dish.

)

So you admit now that not everyone can have a dish



AND PLEASE, stop promoting Sky & Cable, I am sure if people want either of these they can make there own mind up

[Hamlet77]

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Originally Posted by pxd867

Intellectually challenged people always resort to shouting when they can't make their point any other way. £7.99/month for channels that you would normally need to spend £19/month for, and the timeshared part doesn't really come into play, as I wouldn't watch it outside of those hours.

Some might say that intellectually challenged people can't tell the difference between shouting on a forum and using capitals as a means of highlighting a point. Some people learnt to read and write in a time when the use of capital letters was a recognised form of emphasis. Some people do not make sweeping generalisations on the capacity of other forum members.

As to your other point I refer you to various posts made elsewhere in the thread, but maybe you missed them because they were not emphasised sufficiently.

[pxd867]

Nah, you can use italics but capitals just don't really work. Your view that Discovery and UKTV Gold are not "premier" pay channels is ludicrous, they are the most popular channels on satellite/cable which is precisely why Top up included them in the line up in the first place. You may think that they are not as good as some non-premier channels, but the sole fact that they are such premier channels on sky/cable means they would be essential to the lineup.

and BTW don't you mean £2 a month per channel?

[chris223b]

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As this topic continues on.I guess for an eternity unless some right minded person locks it.

Well when you've got two diametrically opposed opinions going on over this issue, it's clear that the debate will never end.

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7.99,peanuts my arse!

The average pint of lager now costs £2.20. Buy 4 pints in one night and you've allready paid out more than TUTV costs for 1 month. A branded T-shirt costs over £20. The *weekly* food bill at Tescos for a *single person* can easily get to £40. Entry to a nightclub for one night only can cost £5. On the grand scheme of things, £7.99 over a whole month (so roughly £2 / week) is peanuts to all but the most impoverished people.

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My only fave discovery channel is Science and civi.

Science and Civilisation are two separate channels you know.

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7.99 a month plus the occasional security updates.

They do this for securtiy reasons.They simply send you a new updated card and charge you 20 quid admin fee.

What? They have a cover-your-ass clause in their contract that allows them to make £20 charges to replace viewing cards. This is doubtless intended to apply to people who have lost/broken their viewing card. I can't see a pay TV company expecting their subscribers to directly foot the bill for the issue of new cards for security reasons. And at present, TUTV has not been hacked and once they move to SECA2 encryption, it's unlikely to be hacked. New viewing cards are a very long way off. I might subscribe to TUTV but they're not going to have the p**s out of me - if they start replacing cards every year and charging me £20 each time, I'm off. As I imagine will be most of their subscriber base. And that is why they won't do it.

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So 27.99 That beats Sky family pack,beats ntls telewest family pack minus the landline rental.

The only time you'll pay £27.99 at once is when you subscribe. So firstly you compared TUTV+TVX with the Sky family pack, now you've compared TUTV+a one off connection fee with the Sky family pack, why do you refuse to compare like for like? And for the record, when Sky aren't doing deals they charge £60 for installation. Presumably in that case I am able to say that the Sky family pack costs £80.50 / month?

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I mean is everyone okey or does everyone feel happy to just throw 7.99 for a service that is way to exagerrated as being a wonderful service.

It's not exagerated. It does what it says on the tin (or on the website at least). It's up to the consumer to decide whether or not it's something they want. I don't think it's *wonderful* - I'm well aware that it has it's problems. I do however think it provides something which I value having and does it at a cost which I am able to justify paying.

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You think,ring up company,get sent viewer card ram it into ex digital box and oh "THIS IS THE BEST THING IN THE WORLD!!"

Well anyone who subscribes to something without checking out what they're subscribing for is frankly quite stupid. It's made very clear what you do and don't get on the website and on the promotional literature in the shops. I rang up, got sent my viewing card, 'rammed' it into my On Digital box - and got exactly what I expected to get.

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and then roll up a Mardi Gras.Oh please please dont say we are living in a time of madness.I thought we left the madness,bohemian and alternative weirdos back in the 1980's.Seems we aint.

Well if you are anything to go by, it certainly seems we haven't left them in the 1980's.

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Get Sky or NTL?TELEWEST AND then you will see where I am coming from.Dont just throw your money away for a inferior service as Topuptv.

I grew up with Sky. When I visit my parents I watch Sky. When I have a career I will probably get Sky myself. I'm perfectly aware of the service that Sky offers and I do recognise that it's very good (albeit for a price). But at the present time Sky isn't for me. And for some people, Sky will never be for them. TUTV offers an alternative. If anything it should be championed in that there is now a pay TV alternative to Sky in areas without cable. Despite your incessant promotion of Sky, surely you'd acknowledge that Sky as a monopoly is not a good thing?

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Subscribe to one of them NOW! before you miss the latest offers.I know there are a lot of ntl customers still enjoying free base pack service for a year.

Are you on comission?

[jaydog]

For what it's worth I have an old PACE DTVA I tried TUTV this month and TBH I have not been that fussed the only channels that I thought may interest me are showing old rope all of them I have video (UK GOLD Comedies).

And I am watching even less TV £7.99 is not a lot I suppose but it's a lot if it aint no good to you or you do not use it so I have withdrawn from the service....

In all fariness just try it it might be for you but it certainly aint my bag.....I am happy with good old free-freeview.

[Blue100]

Topuptv is not offering ten channels.They are all time shared.

Secondly you have to pay 7.99 which is far to much for a service that doesnt offer ten full channels!

I think the horrific price should come down to 5 quid or 2.99

[MartinImber]

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Originally Posted by chris223b

The average pint of lager now costs £2.20. Buy 4 pints in one night and you've allready paid out more than TUTV costs for 1 month. A branded T-shirt costs over £20. The *weekly* food bill at Tescos for a *single person* can easily get to £40. Entry to a nightclub for one night only can cost £5. On the grand scheme of things, £7.99 over a whole month (so roughly £2 / week) is peanuts

£7.99 - lets see - 4 1/2 2l bottles of cider - enough for two - three weeks.

I KNOW what I'd rather have!

[chris223b]

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Topuptv is not offering ten channels.They are all time shared.

Freeview doesn't offer 30 either. They have timeshares. Sky doesn't offer every channel that's on the EPG - some of them are physically timeshared with other channels in the same slot. No pay TV system doesn't have timeshares. Get over yourself.

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Secondly you have to pay 7.99 which is far to much for a service that doesnt offer ten full channels!

I think the horrific price should come down to 5 quid or 2.99+

You keep saying that £7.99 is too much, is 'horrific' to use your latest terminology, and you keep proposing an unworkable cheaper price, but you refuse to answer the basic argument that £8 is f**k all these days. If I work an extra half hour per week at work, TUTV is paid for, if I have one less pint of lager per week, TUTV is paid for.

You can keep saying that it's overpriced as much as you like, but you have to accept that you are arguing over a very small amount of money. Of course I would like it to be cheaper, everyone wants everything to be cheaper, everyone wants everything for free, but I can't see it as being particularly expensive myself. And if I'm ever in such a dire financial position that paying my TUTV sub becomes a burden, I'll just get rid of it.

[jaydog]

All the arguments are fair on here I think and we all try and compare it to other products and services, I am just not watching TV much these days period - my TV time is spent watching videos and DVDs and the odd comedy on channels 1 -5 so I stopped not because I think £7.99 is a lot of money it's just you don'y buy what you don't use really.

£7.99 a month will of use in March Damn council tax rise now thats another subject

[Blue100]

Topuptv is 7.99 which is way too much for the service they
offer.

Here is a look at why:

Topuptv viewers pay 0.25 which is okey.But for only 9 pence extra on top you could be enjoying over forty channels in full including Skyone,Eurosport and guest channels and free to air.This weekend saw the free to air Filmfour on ntl.


For the sake of 27 pence extra,topuptv customers could be enjoying skys value pack which includes skyone etc.

Would you rather keep 27 pence to buy a pint of milk or 9 pence to buy a tin of beans or 27 pence to buy a newspaper which nowadays is full of crap?

Topuptv is for suckers.Ring up get sent card and ram it into ex digital box and then the whole hyperbole starts rolling about how great and wonderful it all is.Topuptv is as cheesy as that e4 scene of a band in a field playing strange music with cows in the background during 4am and 6am preview of new e4 shows.


I would agree with topuptv if they offered better channels at the right price.Just subscribe to sky or cable service.Then everyone that chooses to go to these providers will see instantly what they are missing.

7.99 is just too much.You might be saying well if I go to sky I will have to pay installation charge.As ITv digital was not available in certain areas,people who want topuptv will have to buy compatible box with starter pack.

Grand total 97.99

This price outruns skys installation fee which is currently 60 quid.Right now ntl are doing free installation with family pack free for a month.Now what is everyone waiting for.I am not on comission by the way.I have sky and my mate has ntl.He knows and I know that these are both better and value for money than topuptv.

You get more for your money with sky or cable.And one question?

Are you subscibing to topuptv just for extra channels?Is it qauntity or qaulity?

If it is qauntity then you are an advertisers dream.If qaulity then you are not just someone who gets influenced by a silly gnome in a rainmac,rings up gets sent card and ram it in to ex digital box and start celebrating and become all hyperbolical.

Topuptv has been exagerated to such an extreme that the first I heard about it I really thought that it was a better than sky.

Then I realised that this was worse than sky and then when I went to www.topuptv.com and It said it all.
Thus Topuptv has hyperbolicalized a new service that is both poor and a stinking rip off!

And at the same time confused Freeview customers.There was no public referendum.They just went right ahead and interfered with a service that was extremely successful on its own.

Nuff said!

[Boinng]

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Originally Posted by chris223b

Freeview doesn't offer 30 either. They have timeshares.

Just a couple of points - firstly, Freeview have only ever promised "up to" 30 channels. They are, slowly but surely, working up to that.

Secondly, with the exception of the Community Channel, every Freeview channel is broadcast in it's entirety. Whilst some channels do share the same transmission slot, this is a purely incidental technicality - from where the viewer is sitting, they are able to see every minute of programming from every channel they have available.

This cannot be compared to the entirely timeshared nature of TUTV, which means that not a single one of its "ten" channels is broadcast in full, and every channel (and anyone wanting to watch that channel) has to sacrifice some or even most of their programming in order to squeeze in something else. It's simply not the same.

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Originally Posted by chris223b

You keep saying that £7.99 is too much, is 'horrific' to use your latest terminology, and you keep proposing an unworkable cheaper price, but you refuse to answer the basic argument that £8 is f**k all these days. If I work an extra half hour per week at work, TUTV is paid for, if I have one less pint of lager per week, TUTV is paid for.

I don't know where you live mate but £8 sounds like a lot of money for a pint.....and you must be on good wages to earn £8 for half an hours work. I first I was thinking London...but nah its never that expensive in the capital for beer!