Her 2nd album hasnt done as well as was predicted, and the singles of her 2nd album are flopping.
I reckon her 3rd album will struggle.
I reckon her 3rd album will struggle.
Think lady gaga is struggling
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"Flopping" in Gaga's case (here) simply means "underperforming". I bet most other artists would die for her positions.
Originally Posted by MartynMac123:
“Her 2nd album hasnt done as well as was predicted, and the singles of her 2nd album are flopping.
I reckon her 3rd album will struggle.”
“Her 2nd album hasnt done as well as was predicted, and the singles of her 2nd album are flopping.
I reckon her 3rd album will struggle.”
I'm not huge Gaga fan but I don't think that saying the singles are 'flopping' will get a very good response here.
Im not Gaga fan as I said but even I'll admit that Born This Way is a solid album. Maybe not as mainstream as TFM but it's certainly no flop. The lead single sold massively, Judas was still a hit and Edge of Glory was another big hit. She's still promoting You & I so it's too early to predict it's reception.
I'm waiting for a thread war to start here *Takes Cover*
Its a tricky one. While it is certainly no flop, anyone who says it is, is deluded, the singles haven't performed how they could have, She hasn't had a UK number 1 single this era and its usually the UK who sets the trend and others follow so that's strange. So yes the singles have underperformed in the UK at least.
Originally Posted by Lady.Penelope:
“Its a tricky one. While it is certainly no flop, anyone who says it is, is deluded, the singles haven't performed how they could have, She hasn't had a UK number 1 single this era and its usually the UK who sets the trend and others follow so that's strange. So yes the singles have underperformed in the UK at least.”
“Its a tricky one. While it is certainly no flop, anyone who says it is, is deluded, the singles haven't performed how they could have, She hasn't had a UK number 1 single this era and its usually the UK who sets the trend and others follow so that's strange. So yes the singles have underperformed in the UK at least.”
Sometimes a bit of over exposure can do more harm than good. In this instance I think too much airplay can do harm too as people get fed up with hearing the same songs.
I remember people saying Madonna's bubble had burst back in 1987 when Causing A Commotion only got to number 4. Since then she has mustered up 9 more number one albums and 9 more albums! It's just called phases. Gaga does though, need to change her direction a little. It's all very samey.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Sometimes a bit of over exposure can do more harm than good. In this instance I think too much airplay can do harm too as people get fed up with hearing the same songs.
I remember people saying Madonna's bubble had burst back in 1987 when Causing A Commotion only got to number 4. Since then she has mustered up 9 more number one albums and 9 more albums! It's just called phases. Gaga does though, need to change her direction a little. It's all very samey.”
“Sometimes a bit of over exposure can do more harm than good. In this instance I think too much airplay can do harm too as people get fed up with hearing the same songs.
I remember people saying Madonna's bubble had burst back in 1987 when Causing A Commotion only got to number 4. Since then she has mustered up 9 more number one albums and 9 more albums! It's just called phases. Gaga does though, need to change her direction a little. It's all very samey.”
To use Madonna as an example though she took a break in between that period before coming back with Like A Prayer one and a half years later. With Lady Gaga I can't see a long break coming can you? fame is faster, more full on but also over very fast thesedays for many artists.
I'm not sure where Lady Gaga has left to go? she has done so much all at once it was always going to become boring at some point and people were always going to tire of it.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Sometimes a bit of over exposure can do more harm than good. In this instance I think too much airplay can do harm too as people get fed up with hearing the same songs.
I remember people saying Madonna's bubble had burst back in 1987 when Causing A Commotion only got to number 4. Since then she has mustered up 9 more number one albums and 9 more albums! It's just called phases. Gaga does though, need to change her direction a little. It's all very samey.”
“Sometimes a bit of over exposure can do more harm than good. In this instance I think too much airplay can do harm too as people get fed up with hearing the same songs.
I remember people saying Madonna's bubble had burst back in 1987 when Causing A Commotion only got to number 4. Since then she has mustered up 9 more number one albums and 9 more albums! It's just called phases. Gaga does though, need to change her direction a little. It's all very samey.”
I just wish she would just go away for a while ..take a break and come back as herself not this fake ass attention seeking plastic madonna tribute act---- Madonna wasnt constant like gaga ..madonna didnt fear taking a break - i feel gaga does ...its gagas crazy fans they so want her to keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger but its quite obvious gaga has hit her peak way too soon and has jammed almost every idea into two years
Originally Posted by Lady.Penelope:
“To use Madonna as an example though she took a break in between that period before coming back with Like A Prayer one and a half years later. With Lady Gaga I can't see a long break coming can you? fame is faster, more full on but also over very fast thesedays for many artists.
I'm not sure where Lady Gaga has left to go? she has done so much all at once it was always going to become boring at some point and people were always going to tire of it.”
“To use Madonna as an example though she took a break in between that period before coming back with Like A Prayer one and a half years later. With Lady Gaga I can't see a long break coming can you? fame is faster, more full on but also over very fast thesedays for many artists.
I'm not sure where Lady Gaga has left to go? she has done so much all at once it was always going to become boring at some point and people were always going to tire of it.”
So, in honesty, and I ask you a pertinent question because you always seem to post such sensible posts, do you feel Gaga will still be as big in five years time? Do you also feel that once Madonna has released her forthcoming twelfth album, will we get a thirteenth?
Originally Posted by Lady.Penelope:
“To use Madonna as an example though she took a break in between that period before coming back with Like A Prayer one and a half years later. With Lady Gaga I can't see a long break coming can you? fame is faster, more full on but also over very fast thesedays for many artists.
I'm not sure where Lady Gaga has left to go? she has done so much all at once it was always going to become boring at some point and people were always going to tire of it.”
“To use Madonna as an example though she took a break in between that period before coming back with Like A Prayer one and a half years later. With Lady Gaga I can't see a long break coming can you? fame is faster, more full on but also over very fast thesedays for many artists.
I'm not sure where Lady Gaga has left to go? she has done so much all at once it was always going to become boring at some point and people were always going to tire of it.”
thats how i feel too !
Lady GaGa would have a lot of places left to go with her music and videos if she wasn't taking herself too seriously.'Telephone' was her first long video and 'Alejandro' was her first really overdone video and in those videos she was just throwing ideas out there to become bigger and bigger.If she had taken it slow after 'Telephone' she wouldn't have stalled now.And she seems to be stuck at dark, long and try hard videos these days which is not a necessarily good method for simple pop songs.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“So, in honesty, and I ask you a pertinent question because you always seem to post such sensible posts, do you feel Gaga will still be as big in five years time? Do you also feel that once Madonna has released her forthcoming twelfth album, will we get a thirteenth?”
“So, in honesty, and I ask you a pertinent question because you always seem to post such sensible posts, do you feel Gaga will still be as big in five years time? Do you also feel that once Madonna has released her forthcoming twelfth album, will we get a thirteenth?”
I think Lady Gaga's career will follow a similar path to Cyndi Lauper's. So yes she will still be around in five years but no where near the level of fame she is now and her career will be stalling if it hasn't already.
As for Madonna's next era I cannot call it. It depends fully on her image for the album and without knowing its hard to tell. If its a mother earth/Ray Of Light part 2 it might end up being one of her most successful if its Hard Candy 2 she is probably going to kill her career.
Originally Posted by MartynMac123:
“Her 2nd album hasnt done as well as was predicted, and the singles of her 2nd album are flopping.
I reckon her 3rd album will struggle.”
“Her 2nd album hasnt done as well as was predicted, and the singles of her 2nd album are flopping.
I reckon her 3rd album will struggle.”
What the hell?? The era has not flopped at all.
The album has sold 4.7 million copies worldwide in just 3 months outside of the Christmas season (which will boost sales). It is the second best-selling album of the year.
Born This Way the single, was number 1 in 19 countries, has sold 7 million copies worldwide (which means it easily her 5th biggest hit behind Telephone, Bad Romance and Just Dance). Considering Telephone is at 7.4 million copies, I'm sure it'll pass that and become her 4rd biggest selling hit. Judas was not as commercially successful as the rest of her singles but it was still a hit even though it underperformed selling around 3 million copies worldwide. Despite this it still hit the top-10 in 18 countries.
The Edge of Glory was an even bigger hit than Judas, and amazing longevity. Especially in the US, where it spent over 11 weeks in the Top-10 and is one of her biggest singles in terms of airplay and it's way too early to judge the performance of You and I. Even though it is at #3 on US Itunes.
Lets compare the performance of the first 3 singles from each of Lady Gaga's albums:
1st Single
The Fame: Just Dance (Sold 7.7 million copies worldwide, #1 in 6 countries)
The Fame Monster: Bad Romance (Sold 9.7 million copies worldwide, #1 in 12 countries)
Born This Way: Born This Way (So far sold 7 million copies worldwide, #1 in 19 countries)
2nd Single
The Fame: Poker Face (Sold 10 million copies worldwide, #1 in 22 countries)
The Fame Monster: Telephone (Sold 7.4 million copies worldwide, #1 in 4 countries)
Born This Way: Judas (So far sold 3 million copies worldwide, #1 in 0 countries)
3rd Single
The Fame: LoveGame (Sold 3 million copies worldwide, #1 in 0 countries)
The Fame Monster: Alejandro (Sold 6 million copies worldwide, #1 in 5 countries)
Born This Way: The Edge of Glory (So far sold 4 million copies worldwide, #1 in 1 country)
So the sales sort of balance themselves out, so no Gaga is not flopping or underperforming, the album has only been out for three months. At least wait until the end of the year before we judge the albums performance.
Originally Posted by duane_johnny:
“What the hell?? The era has not flopped at all.
The album has sold 4.7 million copies worldwide in just 3 months outside of the Christmas season (which will boost sales). It is the second best-selling album of the year.
Born This Way the single, was number 1 in 19 countries, has sold 7 million copies worldwide (which means it easily her 5th biggest hit behind Telephone, Bad Romance and Just Dance). Considering Telephone is at 7.4 million copies, I'm sure it'll pass that and become her 4rd biggest selling hit. Judas was not as commercially successful as the rest of her singles but it was still a hit even though it underperformed selling around 3 million copies worldwide. Despite this it still hit the top-10 in 18 countries.
The Edge of Glory was an even bigger hit than Judas, and amazing longevity. Especially in the US, where it spent over 11 weeks in the Top-10 and is one of her biggest singles in terms of airplay and it's way too early to judge the performance of You and I. Even though it is at #3 on US Itunes.
Lets compare the performance of the first 3 singles from each of Lady Gaga's albums:
1st Single
The Fame: Just Dance (Sold 7.7 million copies worldwide, #1 in 6 countries)
The Fame Monster: Bad Romance (Sold 9.7 million copies worldwide, #1 in 12 countries)
Born This Way: Born This Way (So far sold 7 million copies worldwide, #1 in 19 countries)
2nd Single
The Fame: Poker Face (Sold 10 million copies worldwide, #1 in 22 countries)
The Fame Monster: Telephone (Sold 7.4 million copies worldwide, #1 in 4 countries)
Born This Way: Judas (So far sold 3 million copies worldwide, #1 in 0 countries)
3rd Single
The Fame: LoveGame (Sold 3 million copies worldwide, #1 in 0 countries)
The Fame Monster: Alejandro (Sold 6 million copies worldwide, #1 in 5 countries)
Born This Way: The Edge of Glory (So far sold 4 million copies worldwide, #1 in 1 country)
So the sales sort of balance themselves out, so no Gaga is not flopping or underperforming, the album has only been out for three months. At least wait until the end of the year before we judge the albums performance.”
“What the hell?? The era has not flopped at all.
The album has sold 4.7 million copies worldwide in just 3 months outside of the Christmas season (which will boost sales). It is the second best-selling album of the year.
Born This Way the single, was number 1 in 19 countries, has sold 7 million copies worldwide (which means it easily her 5th biggest hit behind Telephone, Bad Romance and Just Dance). Considering Telephone is at 7.4 million copies, I'm sure it'll pass that and become her 4rd biggest selling hit. Judas was not as commercially successful as the rest of her singles but it was still a hit even though it underperformed selling around 3 million copies worldwide. Despite this it still hit the top-10 in 18 countries.
The Edge of Glory was an even bigger hit than Judas, and amazing longevity. Especially in the US, where it spent over 11 weeks in the Top-10 and is one of her biggest singles in terms of airplay and it's way too early to judge the performance of You and I. Even though it is at #3 on US Itunes.
Lets compare the performance of the first 3 singles from each of Lady Gaga's albums:
1st Single
The Fame: Just Dance (Sold 7.7 million copies worldwide, #1 in 6 countries)
The Fame Monster: Bad Romance (Sold 9.7 million copies worldwide, #1 in 12 countries)
Born This Way: Born This Way (So far sold 7 million copies worldwide, #1 in 19 countries)
2nd Single
The Fame: Poker Face (Sold 10 million copies worldwide, #1 in 22 countries)
The Fame Monster: Telephone (Sold 7.4 million copies worldwide, #1 in 4 countries)
Born This Way: Judas (So far sold 3 million copies worldwide, #1 in 0 countries)
3rd Single
The Fame: LoveGame (Sold 3 million copies worldwide, #1 in 0 countries)
The Fame Monster: Alejandro (Sold 6 million copies worldwide, #1 in 5 countries)
Born This Way: The Edge of Glory (So far sold 4 million copies worldwide, #1 in 1 country)
So the sales sort of balance themselves out, so no Gaga is not flopping or underperforming, the album has only been out for three months. At least wait until the end of the year before we judge the albums performance.”
Most albums sell most copies upon their initial release. If Born This Way has sold 4.7 million copies now, it is unli8kely to sell more than 7 million copies ultimately.
If you consider Madonna's "flop" albums American Life getting 5 million sales, and her worst performing album Hard Candy getting just short of 4 million, for a "hit" album like Born This Way to have 4.7 million is not actually that good.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Most albums sell most copies upon their initial release. If Born This Way has sold 4.7 million copies now, it is unli8kely to sell more than 7 million copies ultimately.
If you consider Madonna's "flop" albums American Life getting 5 million sales, and her worst performing album Hard Candy getting just short of 4 million, for a "hit" album like Born This Way to have 4.7 million is not actually that good.”
“Most albums sell most copies upon their initial release. If Born This Way has sold 4.7 million copies now, it is unli8kely to sell more than 7 million copies ultimately.
If you consider Madonna's "flop" albums American Life getting 5 million sales, and her worst performing album Hard Candy getting just short of 4 million, for a "hit" album like Born This Way to have 4.7 million is not actually that good.”
This is true. Although Adele has managed to break that trend but albums like 21 happen once a generation.
Originally Posted by Lady.Penelope:
“I think Lady Gaga's career will follow a similar path to Cyndi Lauper's. So yes she will still be around in five years but no where near the level of fame she is now and her career will be stalling if it hasn't already.
As for Madonna's next era I cannot call it. It depends fully on her image for the album and without knowing its hard to tell. If its a mother earth/Ray Of Light part 2 it might end up being one of her most successful if its Hard Candy 2 she is probably going to kill her career.”
“I think Lady Gaga's career will follow a similar path to Cyndi Lauper's. So yes she will still be around in five years but no where near the level of fame she is now and her career will be stalling if it hasn't already.
As for Madonna's next era I cannot call it. It depends fully on her image for the album and without knowing its hard to tell. If its a mother earth/Ray Of Light part 2 it might end up being one of her most successful if its Hard Candy 2 she is probably going to kill her career.”
I think if lady gaga keeps using the methods madonna used to stay on top i do feel she will be around for a long time --- its quite clever of her but pathetic at the same time but hey ...young kids dont even realise lady gaga is copying madonna untill they watch madonna so i think in terms of lady gaga lasting i think she will last a long time but will she take risks like madonna did ????!!!!!Madonna lost loads of fans during the sex /erotica era ..madonna could re-invent herself very well ...can lady gaga ??? time will tell
Originally Posted by pinkglue:
“I think if lady gaga keeps using the methods madonna used to stay on top i do feel she will be around for a long time --- its quite clever of her but pathetic at the same time but hey ...young kids dont even realise lady gaga is copying madonna untill they watch madonna so i think in terms of lady gaga lasting i think she will last a long time but will she take risks like madonna did ????!!!!!Madonna lost loads of fans during the sex /erotica era ..madonna could re-invent herself very well ...can lady gaga ??? time will tell”
“I think if lady gaga keeps using the methods madonna used to stay on top i do feel she will be around for a long time --- its quite clever of her but pathetic at the same time but hey ...young kids dont even realise lady gaga is copying madonna untill they watch madonna so i think in terms of lady gaga lasting i think she will last a long time but will she take risks like madonna did ????!!!!!Madonna lost loads of fans during the sex /erotica era ..madonna could re-invent herself very well ...can lady gaga ??? time will tell”
I don't. You see now the religion thing has been done there is only the sex direction Gaga could go in and that would be too blatent for her to explain away so I honestly don't think Gaga would dare to do what Madonna did there.
Originally Posted by pinkglue:
“I think if lady gaga keeps using the methods madonna used to stay on top i do feel she will be around for a long time --- its quite clever of her but pathetic at the same time but hey ...young kids dont even realise lady gaga is copying madonna untill they watch madonna so i think in terms of lady gaga lasting i think she will last a long time but will she take risks like madonna did ????!!!!!Madonna lost loads of fans during the sex /erotica era ..madonna could re-invent herself very well ...can lady gaga ??? time will tell”
“I think if lady gaga keeps using the methods madonna used to stay on top i do feel she will be around for a long time --- its quite clever of her but pathetic at the same time but hey ...young kids dont even realise lady gaga is copying madonna untill they watch madonna so i think in terms of lady gaga lasting i think she will last a long time but will she take risks like madonna did ????!!!!!Madonna lost loads of fans during the sex /erotica era ..madonna could re-invent herself very well ...can lady gaga ??? time will tell”
Trouble is, the name "lady Gaga" just says "Lady Gaga". If she reinvents herself by drastically changing her music style, then to many she will no longer be the Gaga they love. If she stays as she is then she will get stale. Her stage name is something of a poisoned chalice.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Trouble is, the name "lady Gaga" just says "Lady Gaga". If she reinvents herself by drastically changing her music style, then to many she will no longer be the Gaga they love. If she stays as she is then she will get stale. Her stage name is something of a poisoned chalice.”
“Trouble is, the name "lady Gaga" just says "Lady Gaga". If she reinvents herself by drastically changing her music style, then to many she will no longer be the Gaga they love. If she stays as she is then she will get stale. Her stage name is something of a poisoned chalice.”
This is a good point too. Her name is going to sound naff come 10 years and no 14 year old is going to want to buy music from a 35 year old calling herself Lady Gaga.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Trouble is, the name "lady Gaga" just says "Lady Gaga". If she reinvents herself by drastically changing her music style, then to many she will no longer be the Gaga they love. If she stays as she is then she will get stale. Her stage name is something of a poisoned chalice.”
“Trouble is, the name "lady Gaga" just says "Lady Gaga". If she reinvents herself by drastically changing her music style, then to many she will no longer be the Gaga they love. If she stays as she is then she will get stale. Her stage name is something of a poisoned chalice.”
As she changes though so will her fanbase .
its obvious lady gaga would love to just do a jazz album - thats where her heart is .....She needs to strip herself of all the glitter and gold at some point in her career ...would be interesting to see if her fans like her still i know id have a lot more respect for her if she did just that but will she take that risk ?its a big risk
Originally Posted by Lady.Penelope:
“This is a good point too. Her name is going to sound naff come 10 years and no 14 year old is going to want to buy music from a 35 year old calling herself Lady Gaga.”
“This is a good point too. Her name is going to sound naff come 10 years and no 14 year old is going to want to buy music from a 35 year old calling herself Lady Gaga.”
she could do a prince and change her stage name to her real name but that damaged his career
She didn't wear the meat dress for some cheap publicity stunt, she was making a statement about DADT (Don't Ask Don't Tell) and about our rights as free people and how governements are constantly eroding them, replacing them with illusions of freedoms. If we don't fight for our rights and the rights of our fellow humans then we are condeming ourselves to a life as worthless as the meat GaGa wore to the VMAs!
Get your facts right dear!
Get your facts right dear!
Originally Posted by If_U_Seek_Amy:
“She didn't wear the meat dress for some cheap publicity stunt, she was making a statement about DADT (Don't Ask Don't Tell) and about our rights as free people and how governements are constantly eroding them, replacing them with illusions of freedoms. If we don't fight for our rights and the rights of our fellow humans then we are condeming ourselves to a life as worthless as the meat GaGa wore to the VMAs!
Get your facts right dear!”
“She didn't wear the meat dress for some cheap publicity stunt, she was making a statement about DADT (Don't Ask Don't Tell) and about our rights as free people and how governements are constantly eroding them, replacing them with illusions of freedoms. If we don't fight for our rights and the rights of our fellow humans then we are condeming ourselves to a life as worthless as the meat GaGa wore to the VMAs!
Get your facts right dear!”
oh please it was a publicity stunt
her best statement was when she said her being accused of ripping off madonna was retarded !
lol
I think confusion's the key here.
Yes, you'll get your Lady GaGa obsessives who'll consume everything she does and know to within an inch of her life every single barcode or every single record.
But for the casual music peruser, which I am these days, and probably tons of others are, who probably also add up to quite a large quota of record buying people, I didn't know what she was releasing from this album.
There didn't seem to be bonafide releases/promotion after Judas. I don't/won't/didn't want to seek out what she was doing but knew from things accidentally filtering through that Born This Way was her new single from the new album which was followed by Judas and a video for that single but then it just petered out ...
The Edge of Glory, I didn't know to this day that had been released. I thought that would have been a massive hit. Never heard it on the radio once.
Yes, you'll get your Lady GaGa obsessives who'll consume everything she does and know to within an inch of her life every single barcode or every single record.
But for the casual music peruser, which I am these days, and probably tons of others are, who probably also add up to quite a large quota of record buying people, I didn't know what she was releasing from this album.
There didn't seem to be bonafide releases/promotion after Judas. I don't/won't/didn't want to seek out what she was doing but knew from things accidentally filtering through that Born This Way was her new single from the new album which was followed by Judas and a video for that single but then it just petered out ...
The Edge of Glory, I didn't know to this day that had been released. I thought that would have been a massive hit. Never heard it on the radio once.
I feel like if she made music a bit more similar to the music in The Fame Monster, I think it would have been a more successful album. I know obviously artists want their music to progress and so that their fans don't get bored of the same music but I feel if she stayed a bit closer to the fame monster-style songs a bit more then people might have enjoyed it more. I don't mean The Fame Monster 2.0 but you get what I mean :P
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