*Would just like to refer to my earlier post and say I'm glad I took cover*
This thread was never going to end well
This thread was never going to end well
Think lady gaga is struggling
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Originally Posted by toanythingtaboo:
“So you agree that Gaga is struggling because she's not selling "turn of the century-esque" numbers unlike Adele...i.e. anything short of exceedingly, and very uncommonly, successful is struggling?
Not feeling the logic there.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Her album is nearly at 5 million within a couple of months, even if it she doesn't sell a single copy over that figure that's nothing to be sneered at. She's going to have the second biggest album of the year.”
“So you agree that Gaga is struggling because she's not selling "turn of the century-esque" numbers unlike Adele...i.e. anything short of exceedingly, and very uncommonly, successful is struggling?
Not feeling the logic there.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Her album is nearly at 5 million within a couple of months, even if it she doesn't sell a single copy over that figure that's nothing to be sneered at. She's going to have the second biggest album of the year.”
Her figures are great if taken in isolation and there's no way she can be said to be struggling per se (even though this must have been one of the costliest album launches in history). But delve a little deeper and it shows that approx. 45% of her current total was sold in the first week. That was late May and it's now almost early September. I think this time around she's promo'd her ass off but struggled to get non-stans on board. Her sales haven't 'kicked on' I suppose and her current weekly sales in her mother land are very poor.. And I'm not sure that bodes well for the next album but only time will tell.
PS Are you sure sales are nearly at 5 million and it's only a 'couple of months' since release? You may want to check both those 'factoids'..
Originally Posted by MrIncredible:
“You are being deliberately obtuse.
It is quite apparent that album sales have declined in the past 10 years. Anyone who argues against that clearly knows very little.”
“You are being deliberately obtuse.
It is quite apparent that album sales have declined in the past 10 years. Anyone who argues against that clearly knows very little.”
And for those of you who want to keep a copy of something relevant, the next time some idiot says otherwise on this site or elsewhere:
http://musicbusinessresearch.files.w...obal-sales.jpg
http://musicbusinessresearch.files.w...1973-20081.jpg
Music sales have continued to head further southwards since 2008. They dropped a further 7% in 2009 compared to 2008 sales, and a further 8.4% in 2010 compared to 2009.
Hence Global album sales are much less than 50% what they were at the turn of the century (2000: 3202 million; 2010: 1282 million).
To put things into real context the Best Selling album worldwide in 2010 was Lady Gaga's The Fame Monster which sold 5.78 million. (Incidentally Born This Way has already sold significantly more than the 4th biggest album of 2010 - Lady Antebellum – ‘Need You Now’ – 3.63 million).
Yet that amount is dwarfed by the US sales alone of the Best selling album of 2000 ('N SYNC's No Strings Attached 9.94 million). In fact the 5th best selling album in the USA in 2000 (Santana's Supernatural) sold more stateside (5.86 million) than TFM sold globally last year!
Originally Posted by konebyvax:
“Her figures are great if taken in isolation and there's no way she can be said to be struggling per se (even though this must have been one of the costliest album launches in history). But delve a little deeper and it shows that approx. 40% of her current total was sold in the first week. That was late May and it's now almost early September. I think this time around she's promo'd her ass off but struggled to get non-stans on board. Her sales haven't 'kicked on' I suppose and her current weekly sales in her mother land are very poor.. And I'm not sure that bodes well for the next album but only time will tell.
PS Are you sure sales are nearly at 5 million and it's only a 'couple of months' since release? You may want to check both those 'factoids'..”
“Her figures are great if taken in isolation and there's no way she can be said to be struggling per se (even though this must have been one of the costliest album launches in history). But delve a little deeper and it shows that approx. 40% of her current total was sold in the first week. That was late May and it's now almost early September. I think this time around she's promo'd her ass off but struggled to get non-stans on board. Her sales haven't 'kicked on' I suppose and her current weekly sales in her mother land are very poor.. And I'm not sure that bodes well for the next album but only time will tell.
PS Are you sure sales are nearly at 5 million and it's only a 'couple of months' since release? You may want to check both those 'factoids'..”
Accounting for the fact the biggest 4 months of the year in terms of sales are yet to occur, then I fail to see your logic.
Globally she had 2009's 2nd biggest album The Fame 5.81 Million copies (only behind Susan Boyle I Dreamed A Dream 6.17 m). She's had the biggest selling album of 2010 The Fame Monster 5.78 million).
As the Born This Way passed the 4.7 million mark last week with a further 84,000 sales, then the album is well on track to get close to the amount her first two albums sold by year end in 2009 & 2010. After 13 weeks to still be the 4th best selling album globally in a 7 day period is a more than respectable achievement.
It is just that Adele's 21 sales of 9.03 million and rising have thrown some poster's perspectives of what a respectable global sales total is.
Originally Posted by maninthequeue:
“Accounting for the fact the biggest 4 months of the year in terms of sales are yet to occur, then I fail to see your logic.
Globally she had 2009's 2nd biggest album The Fame 5.81 Million copies (only behind Susan Boyle I Dreamed A Dream 6.17 m). She's had the biggest selling album of 2010 The Fame Monster 5.78 million).
As the Born This Way passed the 4.7 million mark last week with a further 84,000 sales, then the album is well on track to get close to the amount her first two albums sold by year end in 2009 & 2010. After 13 weeks to still be the 4th best selling album globally in a 7 day period is a more than respectable achievement.
It is just that Adele's 21 sales of 9.03 million and rising have thrown some poster's perspectives of what a respectable global sales total is.”
“Accounting for the fact the biggest 4 months of the year in terms of sales are yet to occur, then I fail to see your logic.
Globally she had 2009's 2nd biggest album The Fame 5.81 Million copies (only behind Susan Boyle I Dreamed A Dream 6.17 m). She's had the biggest selling album of 2010 The Fame Monster 5.78 million).
As the Born This Way passed the 4.7 million mark last week with a further 84,000 sales, then the album is well on track to get close to the amount her first two albums sold by year end in 2009 & 2010. After 13 weeks to still be the 4th best selling album globally in a 7 day period is a more than respectable achievement.
It is just that Adele's 21 sales of 9.03 million and rising have thrown some poster's perspectives of what a respectable global sales total is.”
The logic I was applying was that BTW sold approx 45% of its current total in its first week. And that was over 3 months ago. Which means, after the stans piled in, it's not 'kicked on'. Surely that's not too controversial a theory? I have never said her actual sales total would suggest she is 'struggling'? And i also have deliberately not introduced the 99c controversy into the discussion, either.
PS Can we just ascertain who's info we are using to determine ww sales here also?
When Gaga first arrived - particularly when Poker Face exploded everywhere, I thought she was a total breath of fresh air. She reached her peak for me commercially and visually with Bad Romance but its just been downhill from there - sorry Gaga fans.
I turned into the VMA's and Gagas monologue before her performance was the most pretentious thing I've seen in ages. We were supposed to love it because its Lady Gaga but I'm sorry, it was total crxp, went on far too long, and is the product of someone who's ego is running away with itself. Where is her management??? People to step in and say, "look thats crap - just sing a medley of The Edge of Glory and You and I, and we'll put some obscure/outlandish props on stage behind you".
I'm going to be shot for the above comment by the Gaga fans. lol
I turned into the VMA's and Gagas monologue before her performance was the most pretentious thing I've seen in ages. We were supposed to love it because its Lady Gaga but I'm sorry, it was total crxp, went on far too long, and is the product of someone who's ego is running away with itself. Where is her management??? People to step in and say, "look thats crap - just sing a medley of The Edge of Glory and You and I, and we'll put some obscure/outlandish props on stage behind you".
I'm going to be shot for the above comment by the Gaga fans. lol
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“What a rather aggressive and frankly, daft post. So wearing a dress made out of meat which you claim is worthless (try telling that to the starving in the world) was like a protest against the world's Governments and how the Governments are eroding our freedoms and rights?
So she isn't free in the States to express her freedom of speech, to perform without permission, to make political statements, to wear bizarre outfits and say bizarre things. She hasn't got the right to protest, to vote, to make something of herself? Please! Like the United Kingdom, these freedoms and rights are in place to take advantage of. Wearing a meat dress wouldn't suggest to me any political statement. All it suggests is "Look, I'm Lady Gaga and I'm wearing a dress made out of meat! Aren't I odd!?"
Anyone who believes any reason or statement regarding the dress are deluded.”
“What a rather aggressive and frankly, daft post. So wearing a dress made out of meat which you claim is worthless (try telling that to the starving in the world) was like a protest against the world's Governments and how the Governments are eroding our freedoms and rights?
So she isn't free in the States to express her freedom of speech, to perform without permission, to make political statements, to wear bizarre outfits and say bizarre things. She hasn't got the right to protest, to vote, to make something of herself? Please! Like the United Kingdom, these freedoms and rights are in place to take advantage of. Wearing a meat dress wouldn't suggest to me any political statement. All it suggests is "Look, I'm Lady Gaga and I'm wearing a dress made out of meat! Aren't I odd!?"
Anyone who believes any reason or statement regarding the dress are deluded.”
GaGa lives in a country where in most states only one specific group of people can express their love for their partner in a legally binding ceremoney.
She lives in a country where 50% of the poplation don't have access to decent healthcare.
A country where something as little as petty theft as a 10 year old can strip you of your democratic right for life.
A country where simply posting a harmless message on the "wrong" message board subjects you to a lifetime of harrasment and surveillence and restrict you from using airlines.
A country where until GaGa highlighted the horror and had it overturned a man or woman couldn't not serve their country in the Army simply because of their sexuality.
Don't you dare tell me we live in a free world, freedom is a ****ing illusion and people like you need to pull your heads out of your ****** and wake up!
How dare you presume to know what GaGa's message was behind wearing the meat dress? GaGa is an extremely intellegent woman and gave a succinct and precise reason for wearing the dress. Judging from your response you're clearly not interested in current affairs, politics etc you'd rather bury you head in sand and stay blissfully ignorant. GaGa has no time for people like you and neither do I!
Originally Posted by konebyvax:
“The logic I was applying was that BTW sold approx 45% of its current total in its first week. And that was over 3 months ago. Which means, after the stans piled in, it's not 'kicked on'. Surely that's not too controversial a theory? I have never said her actual sales total would suggest she is 'struggling'? And i also have deliberately not introduced the 99c controversy into the discussion, either.
PS Can we just ascertain who's info we are using to determine ww sales here also?”
“The logic I was applying was that BTW sold approx 45% of its current total in its first week. And that was over 3 months ago. Which means, after the stans piled in, it's not 'kicked on'. Surely that's not too controversial a theory? I have never said her actual sales total would suggest she is 'struggling'? And i also have deliberately not introduced the 99c controversy into the discussion, either.
PS Can we just ascertain who's info we are using to determine ww sales here also?”
The idea that an album 3 months in which remains in the Top 5 of the Global album chart has not kicked on is bordering on the ludicrous.
As for most popular music artists, sales are nowadays increasingly frontloaded. Lil Wayne's latest album is expected to shift 870K-900K this week in the USA. Yet I suspect that will be around 40% of its total US album sales. The same happens with Kanye West; Jay-Z; and may well happen with Adele's next album.
The worldwide sales are taken from mediatraffic - Global Chart Report. I'm very surprised you should have asked, as that suggests you are not familiar with that globally accepted site that measures worldwide sales in the music industry.
Originally Posted by maninthequeue:
“The idea that an album 3 months in which remains in the Top 5 of the Global album chart has not kicked on is bordering on the ludicrous.
As for most popular music artists, sales are nowadays increasingly frontloaded. Lil Wayne's latest album is expected to shift 870K-900K this week in the USA. Yet I suspect that will be around 40% of its total US album sales. The same happens with Kanye West; Jay-Z; and may well happen with Adele's next album.
The worldwide sales are taken from mediatraffic - Global Chart Report. I'm very surprised you should have asked, as that suggests you are not familiar with that globally accepted site that measures worldwide sales in the music industry.”
“The idea that an album 3 months in which remains in the Top 5 of the Global album chart has not kicked on is bordering on the ludicrous.
As for most popular music artists, sales are nowadays increasingly frontloaded. Lil Wayne's latest album is expected to shift 870K-900K this week in the USA. Yet I suspect that will be around 40% of its total US album sales. The same happens with Kanye West; Jay-Z; and may well happen with Adele's next album.
The worldwide sales are taken from mediatraffic - Global Chart Report. I'm very surprised you should have asked, as that suggests you are not familiar with that globally accepted site that measures worldwide sales in the music industry.”
Take it up with Freddy, not me.
http://www.mediatraffic.de/Forum3/vi...374a65b956be28
PS She's currently selling 20k/week in her homeland. Are you seriously stating that's an example of 'kicking on'? And as you and i know, rap/hip-hop albums are notoriously front loaded - much more so than pop albums.
I hate to say this, but I doubt that "You and I" will chart very well; despite that very impressive video. I always don't understand why artists release material that is on their album after the album is released of course. Surely the fans will not go and by material that they already have... but knowing Gaga's following, they will.
She's a sensational artist in every sense of the word. "The Born This Way Ball" will be amazing and will establish her as one of the worlds best performers.
She's a sensational artist in every sense of the word. "The Born This Way Ball" will be amazing and will establish her as one of the worlds best performers.
Originally Posted by If_U_Seek_Amy:
“GaGa lives in a country where in most states only one specific group of people can express their love for their partner in a legally binding ceremoney.
She lives in a country where 50% of the poplation don't have access to decent healthcare.
A country where something as little as petty theft as a 10 year old can strip you of your democratic right for life.
A country where simply posting a harmless message on the "wrong" message board subjects you to a lifetime of harrasment and surveillence and restrict you from using airlines.
A country where until GaGa highlighted the horror and had it overturned a man or woman couldn't not serve their country in the Army simply because of their sexuality.
Don't you dare tell me we live in a free world, freedom is a ****ing illusion and people like you need to pull your heads out of your ****** and wake up!
How dare you presume to know what GaGa's message was behind wearing the meat dress? GaGa is an extremely intellegent woman and gave a succinct and precise reason for wearing the dress. Judging from your response you're clearly not interested in current affairs, politics etc you'd rather bury you head in sand and stay blissfully ignorant. GaGa has no time for people like you and neither do I!”
“GaGa lives in a country where in most states only one specific group of people can express their love for their partner in a legally binding ceremoney.
She lives in a country where 50% of the poplation don't have access to decent healthcare.
A country where something as little as petty theft as a 10 year old can strip you of your democratic right for life.
A country where simply posting a harmless message on the "wrong" message board subjects you to a lifetime of harrasment and surveillence and restrict you from using airlines.
A country where until GaGa highlighted the horror and had it overturned a man or woman couldn't not serve their country in the Army simply because of their sexuality.
Don't you dare tell me we live in a free world, freedom is a ****ing illusion and people like you need to pull your heads out of your ****** and wake up!
How dare you presume to know what GaGa's message was behind wearing the meat dress? GaGa is an extremely intellegent woman and gave a succinct and precise reason for wearing the dress. Judging from your response you're clearly not interested in current affairs, politics etc you'd rather bury you head in sand and stay blissfully ignorant. GaGa has no time for people like you and neither do I!”
My God you're touchy! Why don't you take a chill pill. Lady Gaga is a mediocre popstar who produces some good tunes. She is obviously delivering mixed messages to her obviously brainwashed fans. And, for the record, I am EXTREMELY interested in politics and current affairs. I just don't need pop stars to do my thinking for me, whether they are intentionally relaying some kind of message or whether they're just trying to justify wearing a cows carcass.
I am so pleased Gaga has no time for people like me! I'm not particularly bothered about her. But you are bordering on extreme obsessiveness and I suggest it's YOU who takes your head from out of your arse and focus on thinking for yourself rather than what a pretentious and unoriginal popstar is encouraging you to think.
Now run along little monster and go have your milk shake before beddy byes.
i'm not even going to comment on your pathetic claims that we don't have freedom. Freedom is a personal interpretation and some seem to demand or expect a lot more from the rights to Freedom than others. So if you want to remain persecuted and deluded, feel free to do so.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“My God you're touchy! Why don't you take a chill pill. Lady Gaga is a mediocre popstar who produces some good tunes. She is obviously delivering mixed messages to her obviously brainwashed fans. And, for the record, I am EXTREMELY interested in politics and current affairs. I just don't need pop stars to do my thinking for me, whether they are intentionally relaying some kind of message or whether they're just trying to justify wearing a cows carcass.
I am so pleased Gaga has no time for people like me! I'm not particularly bothered about her. But you are bordering on extreme obsessiveness and I suggest it's YOU who takes your head from out of your arse and focus on thinking for yourself rather than what a pretentious and unoriginal popstar is encouraging you to think.
Now run along little monster and go have your milk shake before beddy byes.
i'm not even going to comment on your pathetic claims that we don't have freedom. Freedom is a personal interpretation and others seem to demand or expect a lot more from the rights to Freedom than others. So if you want to remain persecuted and deluded, feel free to do so.”
“My God you're touchy! Why don't you take a chill pill. Lady Gaga is a mediocre popstar who produces some good tunes. She is obviously delivering mixed messages to her obviously brainwashed fans. And, for the record, I am EXTREMELY interested in politics and current affairs. I just don't need pop stars to do my thinking for me, whether they are intentionally relaying some kind of message or whether they're just trying to justify wearing a cows carcass.
I am so pleased Gaga has no time for people like me! I'm not particularly bothered about her. But you are bordering on extreme obsessiveness and I suggest it's YOU who takes your head from out of your arse and focus on thinking for yourself rather than what a pretentious and unoriginal popstar is encouraging you to think.
Now run along little monster and go have your milk shake before beddy byes.
i'm not even going to comment on your pathetic claims that we don't have freedom. Freedom is a personal interpretation and others seem to demand or expect a lot more from the rights to Freedom than others. So if you want to remain persecuted and deluded, feel free to do so.”
As a stright female, I don't personally feel persecuted but as a decent human being who can see beyond my own selfish means I realise that not eveyone enjoys my freedoms, be it because of their sexuality, race, social class.
My only demand for freedom is that we're all equal before the law, and in some countries, especially America that is not the case and that is the message GaGa was converying with her dress.
As for thinking for myself, I do it all the time, it just so happens that I found a popstar who represents these views, that's one of the many reasons I'm drawn to GaGa. Darling I've had these views long before I knew of GaGa, I wrote countless essays at university about these issues!
As for not being bothered by GaGa, I hardly think she's dilligently checking and posting in forum topics about you. Clearly you are bothered by GaGa hence why you're spending so much of your own time posting about her to complete strangers. But do you know what? GaGa would love that, she would much rather bother you so much that you felt compelled to come on here and post about her than just merely leave you with a feeling on indifference!
Originally Posted by PopularCulture:
“Actually there is one ; deluded”
“Actually there is one ; deluded”
I just want to say, that I don't actually think Gaga fans are deluded as suggested in my post. I also have no gripe with Gaga. I like her music and pay little attention to her antics and image. I'm not interested in what pop stars have to say, it's their music I'm interested in. The post I replied to was possibly the most patronising, and rudest post that I have ever had directed at me and as such made me angry. I want to apologise to any Gaga fan who I may have inadvertently offended.
Originally Posted by PopularCulture:
“In actual shock at what If-U-Seek posted... no words!!!”
“In actual shock at what If-U-Seek posted... no words!!!”
That is nothing compared to some of the stuff they have posted in the past.
Although the idea that Lady Gaga wearing a fillet steak on her head was some major step forward for gay rights is rather hilarious.
Originally Posted by MrIncredible:
“That is nothing compared to some of the stuff they have posted in the past.
Although the idea that Lady Gaga wearing a fillet steak on her head was some major step forward for gay rights is rather hilarious.”
“That is nothing compared to some of the stuff they have posted in the past.
Although the idea that Lady Gaga wearing a fillet steak on her head was some major step forward for gay rights is rather hilarious.”
Was it not a "put your meat out there" statement?
“It’s certainly no disrespect to anyone that’s vegan or vegetarian. As you known I’m the most judgment-free human being on the Earth. It has many interpretations, but for me this evening it’s [saying] if we don’t stand up for what we believe in, if we don’t fight for our rights, pretty soon we’re going to have as much rights as the meat on our bones.” - Lady GaGa
Originally Posted by If_U_Seek_Amy:
“As a stright female, I don't personally feel persecuted but as a decent human being who can see beyond my own selfish means I realise that not eveyone enjoys my freedoms, be it because of their sexuality, race, social class.
My only demand for freedom is that we're all equal before the law, and in some countries, especially America that is not the case and that is the message GaGa was converying with her dress.
As for thinking for myself, I do it all the time, it just so happens that I found a popstar who represents these views, that's one of the many reasons I'm drawn to GaGa. Darling I've had these views long before I knew of GaGa, I wrote countless essays and university about these issues!
As for not being bothered by GaGa, I hardly think she's dilligently checking and posting in forum topics about you. Clearly you are bothered by GaGa hence why you're spending so much of your own time posting about her to complete strangers. But do you know what? GaGa would love that, she would much rather bother you so much that you felt compelled to come on here and post about her than just merely leave you with a feeling on indifference!”
“As a stright female, I don't personally feel persecuted but as a decent human being who can see beyond my own selfish means I realise that not eveyone enjoys my freedoms, be it because of their sexuality, race, social class.
My only demand for freedom is that we're all equal before the law, and in some countries, especially America that is not the case and that is the message GaGa was converying with her dress.
As for thinking for myself, I do it all the time, it just so happens that I found a popstar who represents these views, that's one of the many reasons I'm drawn to GaGa. Darling I've had these views long before I knew of GaGa, I wrote countless essays and university about these issues!
As for not being bothered by GaGa, I hardly think she's dilligently checking and posting in forum topics about you. Clearly you are bothered by GaGa hence why you're spending so much of your own time posting about her to complete strangers. But do you know what? GaGa would love that, she would much rather bother you so much that you felt compelled to come on here and post about her than just merely leave you with a feeling on indifference!”
I don't live in America and am glad for it. I'm not bothered about Gaga and was just participating in a forum discussion. In this country, we are all equal before the law, but there are different classes and we can't all be equal or treated equally. That would be communism. Life and freedom is what you make it. Even in America, if you are not allowed to marry a same sex partner in one state, you just go to another one. In the UK if you want to commit suicide because you are ill, you just go to Switzerland where it's legal. It's the same principle. Freedom is about being able to do things when obstacles prevent you. Wearing a meat dress does not send out a message of "infringed freedoms".
Going to university and writing essays does not give you the right to dictate to others what you believe. Your views are not more important than mine just because you've written an essay on it. I've written essays on and studied subjects as diverse as marxism and the arab dictatorships but that doesn't make me an expert on the subject.
The USA and the UK are far from perfect, but you don't hear too many Americans complaining about things there. I think you just need to stop being so defensive of Gaga when someone says something about her you don't like. You seem to have some kind of obsession.
Originally Posted by If_U_Seek_Amy:
““It’s certainly no disrespect to anyone that’s vegan or vegetarian. As you known I’m the most judgment-free human being on the Earth. It has many interpretations, but for me this evening it’s [saying] if we don’t stand up for what we believe in, if we don’t fight for our rights, pretty soon we’re going to have as much rights as the meat on our bones.” - Lady GaGa”
““It’s certainly no disrespect to anyone that’s vegan or vegetarian. As you known I’m the most judgment-free human being on the Earth. It has many interpretations, but for me this evening it’s [saying] if we don’t stand up for what we believe in, if we don’t fight for our rights, pretty soon we’re going to have as much rights as the meat on our bones.” - Lady GaGa”
That statement is ludicrous. Everyone is judgemental or prejudiced about something. It's human nature. The meat on our bones is our body. So she is saying if we don't stand up for our rights we will soon have as much right as our bodies....and our bodies are our person so therefore we have to stand up for the rights we already have. It just doesn't make sense. I actually think that for anyone to declare that they are "the most judgement free human being on earth" is self deluded. We all think we are non judgemental. But the truth is, we all are.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“I don't live in America and am glad for it. I'm not bothered about Gaga and was just participating in a forum discussion. In this country, we are all equal before the law, but there are different classes and we can't all be equal or treated equally. That would be communism. Life and freedom is what you make it. Even in America, if you are not allowed to marry a same sex partner in one state, you just go to another one. In the UK if you want to commit suicide because you are ill, you just go to Switzerland where it's legal. It's the same principle. Freedom is about being able to do things when obstacles prevent you. Wearing a meat dress does not send out a message of "infringed freedoms".
Going to university and writing essays does not give you the right to dictate to others what you believe. Your views are not more important than mine just because you've written an essay on it. I've written essays on and studied subjects as diverse as marxism and the arab dictatorships but that doesn't make me an expert on the subject.
The USA and the UK are far from perfect, but you don't hear too many Americans complaining about things there. I think you just need to stop being so defensive of Gaga when someone says something about her you don't like. You seem to have some kind of obsession.”
“I don't live in America and am glad for it. I'm not bothered about Gaga and was just participating in a forum discussion. In this country, we are all equal before the law, but there are different classes and we can't all be equal or treated equally. That would be communism. Life and freedom is what you make it. Even in America, if you are not allowed to marry a same sex partner in one state, you just go to another one. In the UK if you want to commit suicide because you are ill, you just go to Switzerland where it's legal. It's the same principle. Freedom is about being able to do things when obstacles prevent you. Wearing a meat dress does not send out a message of "infringed freedoms".
Going to university and writing essays does not give you the right to dictate to others what you believe. Your views are not more important than mine just because you've written an essay on it. I've written essays on and studied subjects as diverse as marxism and the arab dictatorships but that doesn't make me an expert on the subject.
The USA and the UK are far from perfect, but you don't hear too many Americans complaining about things there. I think you just need to stop being so defensive of Gaga when someone says something about her you don't like. You seem to have some kind of obsession.”
HAHAHAHA - I actually was taking in what you said just then seiously until I goto to the bolded part. You clearly have no clue about current affairs if you think Americans aren't complaining!
Right can you please point out exactly where I said because I've written papers whilst at university my opions were more valid than yours? I'm waiting
...oh right you can't. My exact point was that I had these views before GaGa came along. I graduated from uni about 7 months before she released her first song in the UK, therefore I must have written about these issues before GaGa apparently brainwashed with them And by the way, last time I checked freedom to do something didn't involve having to go somewhere else to do it. So yes if you want to end your life go to Switzerland as long as you can afford it, and are well enough to travel otherwise just sit at home and suffer or potentially have one of your loved ones inciminate themselves to ease your pain. Of what about just flying to another state to marry, away from your family and friends, that's if you can afford it if not just pretend all because you love the wrong person!
And I never mentioned communism, I don't want everyone to be the same pleb class, just that whatever class, race, sex, sexuality you will be treated the same when it comes to the laws and rights! There is a difference darling. And in America (you know the country that GaGa is from, the country which provides the context to her messages) rights are not distributed equally.
Just because you have rights does not mean you should stop fighting for them, don't for one second think that any government is not looking at ways to reign them in. A population is much easier to control if they have no rights and no freedoms. Essentially what GaGa is saying is Governments should be afraid of their people and not the other way around or else we will become no different to that meat she wore to the VMAs.
Im afraid i have to agree with most comments. She has released too much too soon. Personally i dont think she will be around in five years time??, But if she is good luck to her but i find her music very samey!!!
The only single i really liked the most as of the moment is Edge of Glory but then again this does not sound the same as her other stuff and i never realised it was her at first.
She has copied lots from Madonna and Also aspects of Kylie. But i dont think she has been around long enough to be compared to these two artists yet. But this day and age its easy to say fame comes and goes at such a fast pace!! All it will take and it will happen is for some big shot to take over.
I remember seeing her when FM was just released in a smallbar and i thought yeah she is good i hope it works out then BOOM!!!, Everyhwere constantly. Its too much too soon!!!!!!!
The only single i really liked the most as of the moment is Edge of Glory but then again this does not sound the same as her other stuff and i never realised it was her at first.
She has copied lots from Madonna and Also aspects of Kylie. But i dont think she has been around long enough to be compared to these two artists yet. But this day and age its easy to say fame comes and goes at such a fast pace!! All it will take and it will happen is for some big shot to take over.
I remember seeing her when FM was just released in a smallbar and i thought yeah she is good i hope it works out then BOOM!!!, Everyhwere constantly. Its too much too soon!!!!!!!
Wearing raw steak to the MTV video music awards in L.A isn't going to legalize gay marriage in Colorado.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“That statement is ludicrous. Everyone is judgemental or prejudiced about something. It's human nature. The meat on our bones is our body. So she is saying if we don't stand up for our rights we will soon have as much right as our bodies....and our bodies are our person so therefore we have to stand up for the rights we already have. It just doesn't make sense. I actually think that for anyone to declare that they are "the most judgement free human being on earth" is self deluded. We all think we are non judgemental. But the truth is, we all are.”
“That statement is ludicrous. Everyone is judgemental or prejudiced about something. It's human nature. The meat on our bones is our body. So she is saying if we don't stand up for our rights we will soon have as much right as our bodies....and our bodies are our person so therefore we have to stand up for the rights we already have. It just doesn't make sense. I actually think that for anyone to declare that they are "the most judgement free human being on earth" is self deluded. We all think we are non judgemental. But the truth is, we all are.”
OH my figging lord, does everything need to be spelt out. The meat on our bodies by itself is worthless, a dead body is worthless! Do you want the same rights as a pile of rotting flesh?
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