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Old 01-09-2011, 00:29
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Wearing raw steak to the MTV video music awards in L.A isn't going to legalize gay marriage in Colorado.
No but it might provoke more people into thinking what kind of country they live in and what they themselves are doing to protect and further the freedoms of said nation!
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Old 01-09-2011, 00:38
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No but it might provoke more people into thinking what kind of country they live in and what they themselves are doing to protect and further the freedoms of said nation!
So maybe she could have turned up wearing a t-shirt saying "equality for all" rather than transforming herself into a cannibal's vision of a beef olive.

Also, as an individual if gay rights are so dear to her then why hasnt she donated profits of all her sales to charity? oh yeah look what happened when she made a wristband.

If you cant see that aligning herself with a tried and tested cause is solely for her own iconography then i feel a bit sorry for you. Madonna associated herself with aids and gay rights when people treated those with aids as lepers! All the images of Gaga associated with equality and activism are carefully taken photographs to throw her into a faux stratosphere of activism; a post-modern 'leader/activist' because her fans believe she is anything that she says she is, when in matter of fact shes done barely anything on the grand scale of equality to push opinion and law any further than it is!
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Old 01-09-2011, 00:47
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So maybe she could have turned up wearing a t-shirt saying "equality for all" rather than transforming herself into a cannibal's vision of a beef olive.

Also, as an individual if gay rights are so dear to her then why hasnt she donated profits of all her sales to charity? oh yeah look what happened when she made a wristband.

If you cant see that aligning herself with a tried and tested cause is solely for her own iconography then i feel a bit sorry for you. Madonna associated herself with aids and gay rights when people treated those with aids as lepers! All the images of Gaga associated with equality and activism are carefully taken photographs to throw her into a faux stratosphere of activism; a post-modern 'leader/activist' because her fans believe she is anything that she says she is, when in matter of fact shes done barely anything on the grand scale of equality to push opinion and law any further than it is!
1. GaGa is an artiste, so just wearing a slogan t-shirt was never going to happen.

2. I don't think you need to question her devotion to the cause, her speeches outside congress stand up for themselves and she has been credited by politicians, Gay activist and political commentators as one of the major driving forces behind the repeal of DADT.

3. No one, not even GaGa has claimed she is the first artist to stand up for Gay rights, but she has taken a lot further than many of her peers, this isn't jsut a case of writing a pop song and giving a few interviews some convinent sound bites. She has enouraged a deeply involved her fans in her policitcal movements in an aim to make society more tolerant.

Whatever her motives she has clearly been a positive and driving force in the Gay rights movement!
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Old 01-09-2011, 01:04
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Im afraid i have to agree with most comments. She has released too much too soon. Personally i dont think she will be around in five years time??, But if she is good luck to her but i find her music very samey!!!

The only single i really liked the most as of the moment is Edge of Glory but then again this does not sound the same as her other stuff and i never realised it was her at first.

She has copied lots from Madonna and Also aspects of Kylie. But i dont think she has been around long enough to be compared to these two artists yet. But this day and age its easy to say fame comes and goes at such a fast pace!! All it will take and it will happen is for some big shot to take over.
I remember seeing her when FM was just released in a smallbar and i thought yeah she is good i hope it works out then BOOM!!!, Everyhwere constantly. Its too much too soon!!!!!!!
She has released 2 (or 3, depending on what you want to believe about TFM) albums in 4 years... I don't see how that is too much?

Rihanna released an album every year since the beginning of her career...
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Old 01-09-2011, 01:05
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Oh, and I love how an artist whose album sells 4.5 million copies in 3 months is considered to be struggling...
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Old 01-09-2011, 01:05
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“It’s certainly no disrespect to anyone that’s vegan or vegetarian. As you known I’m the most judgment-free human being on the Earth. It has many interpretations, but for me this evening it’s [saying] if we don’t stand up for what we believe in, if we don’t fight for our rights, pretty soon we’re going to have as much rights as the meat on our bones.” - Lady GaGa
Okay then, i am going to my 6th form college dressed in a bee keepers suit to reflect how i wont be stung by societies prejudices and discrimination. Genius
Unsure if i should post as she might copy this for next year

Do you really believe thats why she wears a meat dress?

But, no she is very successful and probably has at least another couple of albums in her
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Old 01-09-2011, 01:54
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Oh, and I love how an artist whose album sells 4.5 million copies in 3 months is considered to be struggling...
Just leave it there....
There will always be people like who will try to drag Gaga.
The Adele dragging has already started with that htread saying she was WAY OUT of tone in the VMAs. I guess it's the "in" thing to attack the successful artists which is a shame...
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Old 01-09-2011, 07:44
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Odd then, that most "monsters" or usually people with a gaga related username are more than happy to slate the successful acts they don't like (Perry, Swift, etc), yet constantly ask for less slating of gaga, whilst bitching about everyone else from the safety of an appreciation thread

"Artiste"??

Hahahaha


This is a typical comment.. as obviously someone of Perry's stature is not an "Artiste"..

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"I think you worded it better than I did. That's what I meant-that with Gaga there's a concept/reason behind the outfit or whatever she's wearing. With Katy (for example) she probably went "wouldn't it be great to wear a block of cheese on my head". I could actually imagine that.

Whereas, if Gaga wore a block of cheese on her head, there would be a meaning behind it (although i cant think what lmao!)"

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Old 01-09-2011, 07:56
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Odd then, that most "monsters" or usually people with a gaga related username are more than happy to slate the successful acts they don't like (Perry, Swift, etc), yet constantly ask for less slating of gaga, whilst bitching about everyone else from the safety of an appreciation thread
LOL So very true, Well said. Gaga fans seem to bitch and slag of every female artist yet as soon as someone does it for Gaga they act all had done by. I'm sure half of these 'monsters' could be banned even for the comments they also make about FMs in the appreciation thread!

Take it up with Freddy, not me.


http://www.mediatraffic.de/Forum3/vi...374a65b956be28

PS She's currently selling 20k/week in her homeland. Are you seriously stating that's an example of 'kicking on'? And as you and i know, rap/hip-hop albums are notoriously front loaded - much more so than pop albums.


Oh, and I love how an artist whose album sells 4.5 million copies in 3 months is considered to be struggling...
Darling have you read all the comments in the topic? more is being discussed than that. Take off the sunglasses and read the very valid points.
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Old 01-09-2011, 08:10
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I love your posts. You have all of Gaga's problems nailed. She could do with someone like you advising her.
I agree!! she/he seems to have Gaga totally summed up.
Thank you so much!

I actually used to work at Sony so have some inside knowledge on how it all works.
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Old 01-09-2011, 08:40
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There are some really good points in this thread. I was a supporter of Lady Gaga on here back in 2008 when no one had even heard of her. Back then she was fresh, stood out and you knew something big was coming. 3 years later things have changed. Of course she is a superstar now but she has lost something along the way. Maybe as others have said its because 'wacky' has now become the norm so Gaga is having to try and outdo herself so much. Maybe that's why this BTW era has felt so try hard. Its all a bit desperate. Many of the songs this era are also a comedown on her previous work. Anyone who says Judas or Born This Way are works of art are deluding themselves. As said on here before Judas is not much different to the type of pop Aqua and Vengaboys used to release yet I don't see people calling Doctor Jones or Boom Boom Boom pieces of genius. Then of course there is the Madonna comparison thing which I think alienated a load of Gaga's previous supporters.

No one can deny the album has also sold well. However this album was always going to sell well. Its the next album which is the important one and always was. Any album that follows a hugely successful period for an artist is always a huge success purely because they have a shit load of people who are interested. Its when the interest starts to decline when the problems start and Gaga is at that point now. The interest is declining. The UK is known for always leading the pack. She hasn't had a number 1 single off BTW yet. Is the UK's track record of knowing an artist is waning trying to tell us something?


I also agree with the user who said that she chickened it with You & I. Because the song was so different to anything she had released previously she had to go totally OTT Gaga in the video to remind people who she was. That's really sad. Back in 2008 she was so normal if that makes sense. Now its all coming across as fake, desperate and try too hard.

I find it hard saying this as I love her music but come on. Lets not delude ourselves. I was supporting Gaga on here long before all these 'little monsters' even joined.

I also agree that the slagging off of other artists from certain Gaga fans is giving all Gaga fans a bad name. So what if Adele has sold more than Gaga this year. So what if Katy is making all the billboard records. Get over it and stop being so bitchy. Real life is more important than sweating over such small matters.
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Old 01-09-2011, 10:57
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HAHAHAHA - I actually was taking in what you said just then seiously until I goto to the bolded part. You clearly have no clue about current affairs if you think Americans aren't complaining!

Right can you please point out exactly where I said because I've written papers whilst at university my opions were more valid than yours? I'm waiting ...oh right you can't. My exact point was that I had these views before GaGa came along. I graduated from uni about 7 months before she released her first song in the UK, therefore I must have written about these issues before GaGa apparently brainwashed with them

And by the way, last time I checked freedom to do something didn't involve having to go somewhere else to do it. So yes if you want to end your life go to Switzerland as long as you can afford it, and are well enough to travel otherwise just sit at home and suffer or potentially have one of your loved ones inciminate themselves to ease your pain. Of what about just flying to another state to marry, away from your family and friends, that's if you can afford it if not just pretend all because you love the wrong person!

And I never mentioned communism, I don't want everyone to be the same pleb class, just that whatever class, race, sex, sexuality you will be treated the same when it comes to the laws and rights! There is a difference darling. And in America (you know the country that GaGa is from, the country which provides the context to her messages) rights are not distributed equally.

Just because you have rights does not mean you should stop fighting for them, don't for one second think that any government is not looking at ways to reign them in. A population is much easier to control if they have no rights and no freedoms. Essentially what GaGa is saying is Governments should be afraid of their people and not the other way around or else we will become no different to that meat she wore to the VMAs.
Reassuring to see that you are still writing bollox. My God you're an angry person. Not even going to bother replying to your self opinionated, tiresome, offensive posts. I am sure Gaga would find it more offensive for people brandishing her name in this way than someone who doesn't agree with her views. After all, she's non-judgemental right.

When you have lived as long as I have, been a local councillor, helped saved a local community centre, assist mentally disabled people in living a normal life, doing things in the community that are important to the local people, then you can tell me that I have no interest in current affairs. One thing you most certainly are not which Gaga claims to be, is non-judgemental. You are brash, offensive and totally childish. When you grow up and take on board other people's views reasonably, other people will start taking more notice of you. It's one thing to be a fan of an artist and stick up for them, but another thing when you start declaring political ignorance on others who maybe are more concerned with the situations in their own country rather than worrying about a country where a hugely rich pop star comes from.

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Old 01-09-2011, 11:03
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There are some really good points in this thread. I was a supporter of Lady Gaga on here back in 2008 when no one had even heard of her. Back then she was fresh, stood out and you knew something big was coming. 3 years later things have changed. Of course she is a superstar now but she has lost something along the way. Maybe as others have said its because 'wacky' has now become the norm so Gaga is having to try and outdo herself so much. Maybe that's why this BTW era has felt so try hard. Its all a bit desperate. Many of the songs this era are also a comedown on her previous work. Anyone who says Judas or Born This Way are works of art are deluding themselves. As said on here before Judas is not much different to the type of pop Aqua and Vengaboys used to release yet I don't see people calling Doctor Jones or Boom Boom Boom pieces of genius. Then of course there is the Madonna comparison thing which I think alienated a load of Gaga's previous supporters.

No one can deny the album has also sold well. However this album was always going to sell well. Its the next album which is the important one and always was. Any album that follows a hugely successful period for an artist is always a huge success purely because they have a shit load of people who are interested. Its when the interest starts to decline when the problems start and Gaga is at that point now. The interest is declining. The UK is known for always leading the pack. She hasn't had a number 1 single off BTW yet. Is the UK's track record of knowing an artist is waning trying to tell us something?


I also agree with the user who said that she chickened it with You & I. Because the song was so different to anything she had released previously she had to go totally OTT Gaga in the video to remind people who she was. That's really sad. Back in 2008 she was so normal if that makes sense. Now its all coming across as fake, desperate and try too hard.

I find it hard saying this as I love her music but come on. Lets not delude ourselves. I was supporting Gaga on here long before all these 'little monsters' even joined.

I also agree that the slagging off of other artists from certain Gaga fans is giving all Gaga fans a bad name. So what if Adele has sold more than Gaga this year. So what if Katy is making all the billboard records. Get over it and stop being so bitchy. Real life is more important than sweating over such small matters.
Best post in the thread. Well said. I totally agree.
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Old 01-09-2011, 11:27
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There are some really good points in this thread. I was a supporter of Lady Gaga on here back in 2008 when no one had even heard of her. Back then she was fresh, stood out and you knew something big was coming. 3 years later things have changed. Of course she is a superstar now but she has lost something along the way. Maybe as others have said its because 'wacky' has now become the norm so Gaga is having to try and outdo herself so much. Maybe that's why this BTW era has felt so try hard. Its all a bit desperate. Many of the songs this era are also a comedown on her previous work. Anyone who says Judas or Born This Way are works of art are deluding themselves. As said on here before Judas is not much different to the type of pop Aqua and Vengaboys used to release yet I don't see people calling Doctor Jones or Boom Boom Boom pieces of genius. Then of course there is the Madonna comparison thing which I think alienated a load of Gaga's previous supporters.

No one can deny the album has also sold well. However this album was always going to sell well. Its the next album which is the important one and always was. Any album that follows a hugely successful period for an artist is always a huge success purely because they have a shit load of people who are interested. Its when the interest starts to decline when the problems start and Gaga is at that point now. The interest is declining. The UK is known for always leading the pack. She hasn't had a number 1 single off BTW yet. Is the UK's track record of knowing an artist is waning trying to tell us something?


I also agree with the user who said that she chickened it with You & I. Because the song was so different to anything she had released previously she had to go totally OTT Gaga in the video to remind people who she was. That's really sad. Back in 2008 she was so normal if that makes sense. Now its all coming across as fake, desperate and try too hard.

I find it hard saying this as I love her music but come on. Lets not delude ourselves. I was supporting Gaga on here long before all these 'little monsters' even joined.

I also agree that the slagging off of other artists from certain Gaga fans is giving all Gaga fans a bad name. So what if Adele has sold more than Gaga this year. So what if Katy is making all the billboard records. Get over it and stop being so bitchy. Real life is more important than sweating over such small matters.
It certainly makes sense to me. Back then she gave off the vibe of "I'm going to dress this way because I can" (whether you believe that or not is up to you). Now it's more "I'm going to dress this way because it's going to get me headlines". This Jo Calderone person worked well enough in the video for You and I, but it was just embarrassing last Sunday. I'll always have a soft spot for the weird, yet sometimes it's just too much. There are so many things I dislike about this era ("Album of the decade" ), which is a shame because I actually think BTW as a record is more consistent than The Fame and TFM.

She just needs to **** off for a while, and give people a chance to miss her.
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Old 01-09-2011, 11:36
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It certainly makes sense to me. Back then she gave off the vibe of "I'm going to dress this way because I can" (whether you believe that or not is up to you). Now it's more "I'm going to dress this way because it's going to get me headlines". This Jo Calderone person worked well enough in the video for You and I, but it was just embarrassing last Sunday. I'll always have a soft spot for the weird, yet sometimes it's just too much. There are so many things I dislike about this era ("Album of the decade" ), which is a shame because I actually think BTW as a record is more consistent than The Fame and TFM.

She just needs to **** off for a while, and give people a chance to miss her.
There is no denying that Gaga is a talented singer and songwriter. Hell, her songs are so damn catchy they're infectious! But I agree with the points you raise in your post. I saw the Madonna concert "The Girlie Show" in 1993. I have always been a huge Madonna fan. But I was embarrassed by the concert because it seemed so acted and false. Even having a woman opening the show with her tits out clambering down a fireman's pole was unnecessary. This was Madonna's "time to f*** off moment". Even her next album "Bedtime Stories", although receiving rave reviews, was a bit of a commercial flop. So, she did "f*** off" for a few years and actually got sensible. It paid off. She has remained virtually on top ever since.

If Gaga does something similar and comes back in a couple of years as a sensible, less weird performer, she will undoubtedly be around for a few years yet! Trouble is, weird is good when it's a novelty. After a while though it all gets rather tedious.
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Old 01-09-2011, 12:39
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She didn't wear the meat dress for some cheap publicity stunt, she was making a statement about DADT (Don't Ask Don't Tell) and about our rights as free people and how governements are constantly eroding them, replacing them with illusions of freedoms. If we don't fight for our rights and the rights of our fellow humans then we are condeming ourselves to a life as worthless as the meat GaGa wore to the VMAs!

Get your facts right dear!
Well, even were that true (and frankly my dear, it's a load of codswallop) it failed as a statement because that's the first I've head of it.

She is just a very ordinary singer who is so desperately attention seeking and will do anything to get publicity. I don't think she will be at all happy with her chart positions, as impressive as they seem to be, and I think she thought by now she'd be breaking records like her chief competitor (the equally tiresome Perry woman).

I agree that in a couple of years time Lady Gaga as a brand will look tired and a bit old. It will interesting to see what happens.
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Old 01-09-2011, 14:10
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There are some really good points in this thread. I was a supporter of Lady Gaga on here back in 2008 when no one had even heard of her. Back then she was fresh, stood out and you knew something big was coming. 3 years later things have changed. Of course she is a superstar now but she has lost something along the way. Maybe as others have said its because 'wacky' has now become the norm so Gaga is having to try and outdo herself so much. Maybe that's why this BTW era has felt so try hard. Its all a bit desperate. Many of the songs this era are also a comedown on her previous work. Anyone who says Judas or Born This Way are works of art are deluding themselves. As said on here before Judas is not much different to the type of pop Aqua and Vengaboys used to release yet I don't see people calling Doctor Jones or Boom Boom Boom pieces of genius. Then of course there is the Madonna comparison thing which I think alienated a load of Gaga's previous supporters.

No one can deny the album has also sold well. However this album was always going to sell well. Its the next album which is the important one and always was. Any album that follows a hugely successful period for an artist is always a huge success purely because they have a shit load of people who are interested. Its when the interest starts to decline when the problems start and Gaga is at that point now. The interest is declining. The UK is known for always leading the pack. She hasn't had a number 1 single off BTW yet. Is the UK's track record of knowing an artist is waning trying to tell us something?


I also agree with the user who said that she chickened it with You & I. Because the song was so different to anything she had released previously she had to go totally OTT Gaga in the video to remind people who she was. That's really sad. Back in 2008 she was so normal if that makes sense. Now its all coming across as fake, desperate and try too hard.

I find it hard saying this as I love her music but come on. Lets not delude ourselves. I was supporting Gaga on here long before all these 'little monsters' even joined.

I also agree that the slagging off of other artists from certain Gaga fans is giving all Gaga fans a bad name. So what if Adele has sold more than Gaga this year. So what if Katy is making all the billboard records. Get over it and stop being so bitchy. Real life is more important than sweating over such small matters.
I echo others. What a great post. I had to do a search on Boom Boom Boom and I see where you are coming from

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llyiQ4I-mcQ

It certainly makes you wonder.
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Old 01-09-2011, 14:59
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I find the notion that I have somehow been brainwashed or am in some way deluded rather offensive. I believe that many of Gaga's outfits/videos/songs etc. are making a statement. That doesn't make me stupid or naive, I just see things differently to you. Having studied History of Art and specifically Popular Culture and Performance Art, she fits perfectly into the mould of certain performance artists who have gone before her. Marina Abramovic and Orlan have both influenced her in her performance art. David Bowie was a performance artist and the persona of Ziggy Stardust mirrors a lot of the ideas that have gone into Jo Calderone.

The meat dress was a statement commenting on the DADT issue. She was a major force behind that getting repealed. In the same way, the Beatle's White Album, with it's revolutionary cover art, was making a statement. Madonna, with the "Like a Prayer" video, was making a statement. They all garnered press attention but there reasonings for doing so went much deeper than that. The same can be said for Gaga.

But what do I know, the poor, brainwashed and most importantlydeluded Gaga fan
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Old 01-09-2011, 15:15
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Odd then, that most "monsters" or usually people with a gaga related username are more than happy to slate the successful acts they don't like (Perry, Swift, etc), yet constantly ask for less slating of gaga, whilst bitching about everyone else from the safety of an appreciation thread

"Artiste"??

Hahahaha


This is a typical comment.. as obviously someone of Perry's stature is not an "Artiste"..

Quote..

"I think you worded it better than I did. That's what I meant-that with Gaga there's a concept/reason behind the outfit or whatever she's wearing. With Katy (for example) she probably went "wouldn't it be great to wear a block of cheese on my head". I could actually imagine that.

Whereas, if Gaga wore a block of cheese on her head, there would be a meaning behind it (although i cant think what lmao!)"

Brainwashed
I think if you look through the appreciation thread, I don't bitch about other artists.

In which case, I'd like to say it's odd that when I make a point about the album selling well, I am completely ignored.
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Old 01-09-2011, 15:18
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LOL So very true, Well said. Gaga fans seem to bitch and slag of every female artist yet as soon as someone does it for Gaga they act all had done by. I'm sure half of these 'monsters' could be banned even for the comments they also make about FMs in the appreciation thread!







Darling have you read all the comments in the topic? more is being discussed than that. Take off the sunglasses and read the very valid points.
I have read the points that people think she is trying too hard, etc, etc. But Gaga is still critically acclaimed and has a huge fanbase. She is winning awards as she always did (Bad Romance aside, that was a special case) and she is selling records as she has proven she can. I don't see how that constitutes 'struggling'.
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Old 01-09-2011, 15:37
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I really dont accept this "she's sold 4 million albums so how can she be struggling" arguement.

Ask yourselves this:

If BTW had been Gaga's FIRST album when she was a nobody would it be selling as well?

As I and others have mentioned, BTW was always going to do well no matter how crap it was because of how big her last two albums were.
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Old 01-09-2011, 16:40
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I really dont accept this "she's sold 4 million albums so how can she be struggling" arguement.

Ask yourselves this:

If BTW had been Gaga's FIRST album when she was a nobody would it be selling as well?

As I and others have mentioned, BTW was always going to do well no matter how crap it was because of how big her last two albums were.
But it's a better album than The Fame...!
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Old 01-09-2011, 19:12
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Reassuring to see that you are still writing bollox. My God you're an angry person. Not even going to bother replying to your self opinionated, tiresome, offensive posts. I am sure Gaga would find it more offensive for people brandishing her name in this way than someone who doesn't agree with her views. After all, she's non-judgemental right.

When you have lived as long as I have, been a local councillor, helped saved a local community centre, assist mentally disabled people in living a normal life, doing things in the community that are important to the local people, then you can tell me that I have no interest in current affairs. One thing you most certainly are not which Gaga claims to be, is non-judgemental. You are brash, offensive and totally childish. When you grow up and take on board other people's views reasonably, other people will start taking more notice of you. It's one thing to be a fan of an artist and stick up for them, but another thing when you start declaring political ignorance on others who maybe are more concerned with the situations in their own country rather than worrying about a country where a hugely rich pop star comes from.

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I never said I was GaGa!

Yes I am judgmental, not on things like class, sex, sexuality, race etc but on how people choose to present themselves. And I'm proud of that becauise I'll pity no fools!

Like a pre-adolescent child you refuse to further the debate because you can no longer surmise a coherant point that can stand on its own without being ripped the shreds for its sheer impotence, instead you resort to what is essentially petty name calling. So for now this will be my last post to you on this matter!
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Old 01-09-2011, 19:45
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I have noticed her youtube hits are down. `Born This Way and `Judas' didn't do anything near as well as `Bad Romance'
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Old 01-09-2011, 19:54
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Gosh please! Can we discuss Lady Gaga, and not the personal lives of other forum members!!

My opinion on this.

Lady Gaga isn't as big as her first era.
She's one of the biggest pop artists in the world.
Her career is on the decline at the moment.
Her album has sold very well.
Born This Way was a massive hit. It still stands as the biggest pop song in the world of 2011 (unless you count Rolling in the Deep).
Judas, I'd say did quite poorly.
The Edge of Glory has been a big hit.
You and I looks set to be big in the US, and maybe Australia, but to not so much in Europe.
She still has probably the biggest fanbase of all pop artists.
Personally, I think her music is very poor, and I have thought this since Just Dance. I wouldn't mind her disappearing.
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