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Old 01-09-2011, 21:02
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Got her plusses, but mostly theatrics. Prefer Goldfrapp.
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Old 01-09-2011, 21:24
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There are some really good points in this thread. I was a supporter of Lady Gaga on here back in 2008 when no one had even heard of her. Back then she was fresh, stood out and you knew something big was coming. 3 years later things have changed. Of course she is a superstar now but she has lost something along the way. Maybe as others have said its because 'wacky' has now become the norm so Gaga is having to try and outdo herself so much. Maybe that's why this BTW era has felt so try hard. Its all a bit desperate. Many of the songs this era are also a comedown on her previous work. Anyone who says Judas or Born This Way are works of art are deluding themselves. As said on here before Judas is not much different to the type of pop Aqua and Vengaboys used to release yet I don't see people calling Doctor Jones or Boom Boom Boom pieces of genius. Then of course there is the Madonna comparison thing which I think alienated a load of Gaga's previous supporters.

No one can deny the album has also sold well. However this album was always going to sell well. Its the next album which is the important one and always was. Any album that follows a hugely successful period for an artist is always a huge success purely because they have a shit load of people who are interested. Its when the interest starts to decline when the problems start and Gaga is at that point now. The interest is declining. The UK is known for always leading the pack. She hasn't had a number 1 single off BTW yet. Is the UK's track record of knowing an artist is waning trying to tell us something?


I also agree with the user who said that she chickened it with You & I. Because the song was so different to anything she had released previously she had to go totally OTT Gaga in the video to remind people who she was. That's really sad. Back in 2008 she was so normal if that makes sense. Now its all coming across as fake, desperate and try too hard.

I find it hard saying this as I love her music but come on. Lets not delude ourselves. I was supporting Gaga on here long before all these 'little monsters' even joined.

I also agree that the slagging off of other artists from certain Gaga fans is giving all Gaga fans a bad name. So what if Adele has sold more than Gaga this year. So what if Katy is making all the billboard records. Get over it and stop being so bitchy. Real life is more important than sweating over such small matters.
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Old 01-09-2011, 22:12
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Gaga is not struggling. The sales of BTW era are still good. It is a good album. But it is not the 2 nd coming. Her Fame era took a while to ignite -approx 6 months - I remember her trying to make a name for herself in America a long time b4 the dec/ jan Europe release. CThat era actually grew sales over a sustained length of time. Fame Monster catipulted status and sales. Who knows what lies in store for this era. Maybe a Reincarnated This Way ep? Who knows.
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Old 01-09-2011, 22:13
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I saw the You & I vid & thought it was a v typical Gaga video with a "chuck everything but the kitchen sink at it" approach.

What she needed was a pared back video, which wouldve garnered attention simply because it was simple.

Unfortunately cos of the EOG vid being so simple due to last minute changes it wasnt possible to do it this time round which was a pity cos if any of her songs called for a simple video then You & I is it.

The wacky costumes & eccentric imagery is becoming very PREDICTABLE.

When madonna had a big image change in about '86 (got rid of her Boy Toy look) she got a lot of attention for that, but when she changed her image again after that people just accepted it without complaint.

She needs to move away from the Lady Gaga wackiness thing pretty soonish tbh, as I think people will start to find it a bit samey & grow tired of it...

The prob with the latest album is simply lack of good material.

BTW isnt an amazing song, Judas was just a mess of a song, so far of her singles I think Edge of Glory had the biggest chance of success as personally I think its the strongest single release so far of this era. You & I left me a bit MEH. I like Govt Hooker could see it as a big club hit, although it doesnt scream SINGLE to me.

Why is she rush releasing so many singles on top of each other?? Overkill IMO
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Old 01-09-2011, 22:54
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4 singles in 8 months is "rush releasing so many singles on top of each other" now?

Wow for some people GaGa can do no right.

Beyoncé started her campaign almost 5 months after GaGa and she's already on her 3rd single!
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Old 01-09-2011, 23:10
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4 singles in 8 months is "rush releasing so many singles on top of each other" now?

Wow for some people GaGa can do no right.

Beyoncé started her campaign almost 5 months after GaGa and she's already on her 3rd single!
Does anybody even know what Beyonce's 3rd single is yet?

Love On Top is just an album track, that's popular at the moment due to her anouncing her pregnancy after it. A bit like how You and I got downloaded loads a few months back because Lady Gaga kept performing it everywhere.

1+1 is just a promo single, like Hair. Having a music video doesn't make a song a single.

Her 3rd single will probably be End of Time or Countdown or Party or something.
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Old 01-09-2011, 23:40
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Does anybody even know what Beyonce's 3rd single is yet?

Love On Top is just an album track, that's popular at the moment due to her anouncing her pregnancy after it. A bit like how You and I got downloaded loads a few months back because Lady Gaga kept performing it everywhere.

1+1 is just a promo single, like Hair. Having a music video doesn't make a song a single.

Her 3rd single will probably be End of Time or Countdown or Party or something.
Party for the US.It has been sent to urban radio already.I don't know what the release is for the UK, but she's shot videos for 'Party,' 'Countdown' and 'End Of Time', so it's going to be one of those 3.
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Old 02-09-2011, 07:50
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Party for the US.It has been sent to urban radio already.I don't know what the release is for the UK, but she's shot videos for 'Party,' 'Countdown' and 'End Of Time', so it's going to be one of those 3.
Those are probably my favourite three songs from the album!

I think I Was Here could be a big hit aswell, although I don't like it as much.
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Old 03-10-2011, 11:10
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They are not flopping, she is just more herself and in the mainstream world you can't really do that.
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Old 03-10-2011, 13:03
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She is trying to shock to much/trying too hard.

Slam the breaks on, take a break. She is amazingly talented, but its being lost in all the contreversy. This is what happened with Prince late 80s/90s with all the outrage and name changing nonsense-and then we have MJ.

In the end they just become known for the notoriety and celebrity and not the Music. Prince has now pulled this back, Gaga will need to do the same.

The shame for Gaga, unlike Madonna who she clearly admres is that back in the early 80s/mid 80s, you could build a career which is what exactly M did from the First Album through to True Blue, then she was home and dry.

Today you are only as good as your last record (sales wise) and this is a shame for someone with so much talent. Coupled with the public having zero attention span and a cut throat music business, she is a bit caught in the middle.
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Old 03-10-2011, 15:07
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I agree with the majority. I'm a huge Gaga fan but as soon as this 'era' started, all the creativeness and wierdness just seemed fake, whereas with the Fame and the Fame Monster is seemed natural, real and genuine.

I think her main problem now is that ever since she's came, other artists have upped their game and started the "wacky" outfits, personalities and videos, and she's struggling to find her feet where she's different to all the other artists.

She's undeniably worked hard to get here (and earnt it) but now she's at the top she's struggling to get into a safe position where she can lay back and watch.
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Old 03-10-2011, 15:27
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4 singles in 8 months is "rush releasing so many singles on top of each other" now?

Wow for some people GaGa can do no right.

Beyoncé started her campaign almost 5 months after GaGa and she's already on her 3rd single!
Gaga's album came out a month before Beyonce's and Gaga is going into her 5th single.
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Old 03-10-2011, 15:35
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Being the second best selling artist this year isn't exactly struggling is it?
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Old 03-10-2011, 15:36
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Gaga's album came out a month before Beyonce's and Gaga is going into her 5th single.
But Gaga's campaign started in February whereas Beyonce's started in April.
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Old 03-10-2011, 15:45
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Being the second best selling artist this year isn't exactly struggling is it?
You're right and so are all the people who said that she can't be struggling with 4,5 million sold worldwide.The thing is that GaGa set herself up for failure by hyping this album and bigging up her impact insanely a lot.With her rather arrogant attitude about this album and with her over-zealous statements about it being the album of the decade, you would expect her album to totally fly off the shelves and slay everything out there, yet her sales are not THAT impressive.Her label was as cocky as she was and they shipped 2,2 million copies in the US in the first week and those initial shipments are yet to be sold .And her co-workers are making it even worse by making her out to be an innovator and the leading female in pop and the same applies to magazines who have proclaimed her the current queen of pop, so if the queen of pop with heavy promo and loads of media hype cannot slay then it's definetely considered underwhelming...
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Old 03-10-2011, 15:47
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I think a lot of Gaga's "struggling" (which I think is perhaps too strong of a word but it makes no difference) is to do with her release strategy.

While she has been promoting like there's no tomorrow, she's been releasing the wrong songs, in the wrong order and at the wrong times.

Personally, I think Born This Way was the right first single for the album. It did phenomenally, and apart from the "Express Yourself" debacle, the single was a complete success.

And it went downhill from there. She picked Judas, most likely because either her or her record felt a bit of controversy would help keep Gaga current and popular. It had the exact opposite effect, resulting in more Madonna comparisons and people going off Gaga. That coupled with the fact that it got a sloppy early release due to the song leaking meant that the song didn't stand a chance. As soon as it leaked, a different song should have been used as the second single, The Edge of Glory or Marry the Night perhaps. They were coherent with Born This Way (the song) and it would have given the casual listener a better idea what the new album would be about.

Then The Edge of Glory was released as a promo single. Which was a bad idea as it was a waste of it's potential. Why couldn't Government Hooker have been used instead, as it has zero single potential due to it's controversial lyrics? Or why couldn't they just have left TEOG as a promo single. Surely it's better to have a promo single that performed über well rather than a proper single that was rushed and in the end, would perform well under it's full potential? I really don't know what Gaga was thinking, except perhaps letting her love of the song cloud her judgement. And let's not get into that video...

Then came You & I... the one song that you could guarantee would flop (internationally at least) and she picks it as a single! WTF? Then she gives the song's video the "Gaga" treatment, when it is clearly a song that (a) doesn't need it and (b) will suffer from a wacky video. And it did, reaching only No. 6 in the States and an embarrassing No. 33 in both the UK and Ireland.

Plus the added distractions that have been present in this era, such as Jo Calderone, Yuyi, those God-awful Y&I fashion videos, "I couldn't speak for 48 hours" etc etc haven't helped her at all and I think it has alienated some of the casual fans.

And here we are, 4 singles into the second biggest album of the year and only one number 1 single, whilst Katy Perry and Rihanna seem to be able to just release anything and it does well. Good for them and all but I would like to see Gaga get in on some of that action too! With Marry the Night scheduled to be the next single, maybe we'll get 2 number ones out of this messy era.. or then again she could f*ck that up too and release a dud of a video. Or do no promo. We just can't trust what she'll do next!
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Old 03-10-2011, 15:52
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Didn't it get like no.1 everywhere? Like someone said the true test is the next album!
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Old 03-10-2011, 16:00
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But Gaga's campaign started in February whereas Beyonce's started in April.
It's been nearly 4 months since Best Thing I Never Had was released, so a new single is long overdue.

BTW - Feb
Judas - April
Edge Of Glory - June
You and I - August
Marry The Night - Oct?

She is going through them fast.
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Old 03-10-2011, 16:19
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It's been nearly 4 months since Best Thing I Never Had was released, so a new single is long overdue.

BTW - Feb
Judas - April
Edge Of Glory - June
You and I - August
Marry The Night - Oct?

She is going through them fast.
Judas has been the main cause of problems for Gaga. The U.S never took to it and it instantly killed off BTW's longevity. Then EoG came as a promotional single but then went #1 on iTunes all around the world so they released it as a single but then we have You & I which honestly should have only been released in the U.S.
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Old 03-10-2011, 16:22
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You're right and so are all the people who said that she can't be struggling with 4,5 million sold worldwide.The thing is that GaGa set herself up for failure by hyping this album and bigging up her impact insanely a lot.With her rather arrogant attitude about this album and with her over-zealous statements about it being the album of the decade, you would expect her album to totally fly off the shelves and slay everything out there, yet her sales are not THAT impressive.Her label was as cocky as she was and they shipped 2,2 million copies in the US in the first week and those initial shipments are yet to be sold .And her co-workers are making it even worse by making her out to be an innovator and the leading female in pop and the same applies to magazines who have proclaimed her the current queen of pop, so if the queen of pop with heavy promo and loads of media hype cannot slay then it's definetely considered underwhelming...
She stated that it would be the album of the decade 'for the fans' and that was at a tour date and we all know how intoxicated and up in the clouds when she performs

Honestly though to the label she has sold 7M+ as shipments to them are what they earn their money through so technically their not lying. Compared to the other pop 'girls' of the moment her album sales blow them out of the water.
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Old 03-10-2011, 16:31
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She stated that it would be the album of the decade 'for the fans' and that was at a tour date and we all know how intoxicated and up in the clouds when she performs

Honestly though to the label she has sold 7M+ as shipments to them are what they earn their money through so technically their not lying. Compared to the other pop 'girls' of the moment her album sales blow them out of the water.
Yeah, you're right about that, but "the album of the decade" and "the song for the decade" is a bit TOO much regardless of the circumstances If only she was just a bit humble...
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Old 03-10-2011, 16:43
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I agree with the majority. I'm a huge Gaga fan but as soon as this 'era' started, all the creativeness and wierdness just seemed fake, whereas with the Fame and the Fame Monster is seemed natural, real and genuine.

I think her main problem now is that ever since she's came, other artists have upped their game and started the "wacky" outfits, personalities and videos, and she's struggling to find her feet where she's different to all the other artists.

She's undeniably worked hard to get here (and earnt it) but now she's at the top she's struggling to get into a safe position where she can lay back and watch.
Great post. I feel exactly the same.

I was a huge fan. Still am to a degree but it all seems so put on now that I can't get fully interested anymore.

I think it will get worse for her too. As said time and time again. Its the next era which will be the make or break for her.
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Old 03-10-2011, 18:09
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While it hasn't lived up to the hype, it's still the second bestselling album of the year, the singles (apart from You & I) have done well and the tour will most likely be a knockout. If I were Gaga, I would be feeling pretty damn good about my prospects.

I do agree that has alienated some people though, but as an artist moves forward that can't be helped. It happens many rtists.
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Old 03-10-2011, 18:49
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It's hard to explain; I don't think she's struggling but I personally have bored of the album.

I don't have the drive to re-listen to a lot of the songs because they were ok on the first three listens then I just... didn't wanna hear them anymore.

Then again I feel the same about her older material too now, her pop to me has become a bit disposable and short lived. I mean her hit singles are still cool from the past but apart from dance in the dark, her other album tracks don't hark me back as anything majorly special.

I do feel her promo campaign has been a little weird and stuff. She's apparently going on jonathan ross this month (she's in the uk this week i think) to promo you&I which just seems a waste of time as it'll kick up to top 20 at best I feel.

I just want her to announce tour dates so I can get those to look forward to. Her promo can be a haphazard mess but her tour will be fun and exciting.

It's weird because a year or two ago I was mega into her and was going to every north west uk date on her tour and obsessed loads. I've sorta burnt out on her now though...
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Old 03-10-2011, 19:09
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I reckon her 3rd album will be massive. She could have done TFM2.0 but went in a different direction for Album 2, and it's less commericial. I think she's perfectly aware of that and can go back to her roots whenever she feels like it. But this was an album she wanted to do.

It's like the same as Avril and Kelly Clarkson, they both did a pop album but wanted to do something deeper, so they did, and they didn't do amazingly so, then they came out with another pop album (avril's is due) and at least in the case of Kelly, it did much much better.
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