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rzt, quoting you from your post yesterday:
An average of 5.82m watched on Saturday and Sunday (full slot ratings). An average of 1.37m (23%) were in the 16-34 range. IF they have an average of 5.0m watching between tomorrow and Saturday, the series average will be about 5.23m. Now, if the 23% skew remains the same then the average for 16-34 will be about 1.2029m, which means that it will bang on even. It's absolutely critical for them that it remains above 5.0m for the remainder of the week otherwise it will fail to break even. Quote:
BGT was event TV even in its first series without the big figures. Going daily for almost 2 weeks had never been done before for such a format. The ratings started fairly average but gained momentum and quickly got the highest rating in years. Subsequently almost every reality show benefitted and ratings shot up across the board. I remember a big fuss because the final peaked at 13.5m viewers yet these days thats pretty standard or even an underperformance for the big reality shows. Thats probably what they were hoping for with Red or Black but its notoriously hard to recapture such magic. They need an innovative show to do that, and Red or Black simply isn't unique enough.
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Does anyone know the series average of the latest run of New Tricks? And also how it compares to previous years?
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I know someone asked earlier and not sure if there was a reply but Loose Women returned with 1.2million
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seems like a strange time for a new producer, Hollyoaks has had a few of those recently
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A US remake of New Tricks would heavily depend on casting, NT has the nostalgia factor with its cast and guest stars. Its a shame Tom Selleck is in Blue Bloods as he would ideal for a NT remake.
Even if NCIS was to end, I think its too soon for Mark Harmon. John Schneider (Dukes of Hazzard & Smallville) is a possibility. |
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I wouldn't call them floating viewers, I'd call them viewers looking for Corrie and wondering why it has been shunted to 9pm.
After Emmerdale (just before 8) they shown a trailer which clearly said 9:00pm I think Once EastEnders had finished the people that usually go to ITV for corrie would have likely done just that even knowing Corrie wasn't on. Turning to ITV on Monday at 8:30pm must be like a habit. |
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Rumours suggest Gareth Philips wasn't even a real person
Real or not he has a IMDB unless he wasnt there long enough to do anything, 99 episdoes is nothing in a soap. Quote:
I think Once EastEnders had finished the people that usually go to ITV for corrie would have likely done just that even knowing Corrie wasn't on.
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Does anyone know the series average of the latest run of New Tricks? And also how it compares to previous years?
Thanks Until episode 8, the official series average has been 9.34m. Here's how that compares to previous series: 2003 (Pilot)........ 6.69m 2004 (Series 1).. 7.00m 2005 (Series 2).. 7.48m 2006 (Series 3).. 8.00m 2007 (Series 4).. 8.25m 2008 (Series 5).. 8.70m 2009 (Series 6).. 7.94m 2010 (Series 7).. 7.85m 2011 (Series 8).. 9.34m* * 8 out of 10 officials in yet. The latest series was the most popular yet. |
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That's quite astounding for New Tricks. Mind you, it probably helps with sub 2m and not so funny competition...
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The overnight series average for New Tricks was 8.18m.
Until episode 8, the official series average has been 9.34m. Here's how that compares to previous series: 2003 (Pilot)........ 6.69m 2004 (Series 1).. 7.00m 2005 (Series 2).. 7.48m 2006 (Series 3).. 8.00m 2007 (Series 4).. 8.25m 2008 (Series 5).. 8.70m 2009 (Series 6).. 7.94m 2010 (Series 7).. 7.85m 2011 (Series 8).. 9.34m* * 8 out of 10 officials in yet. The latest series was the most popular yet. ![]() Some interesting ratings there. It seemed to peak in 2008 with series 5 then levelled off for 2-years until it bounced over 9m for the latest series. Never watched myself. May have to see what all the fuss is about one day, but you can't argue with those ratings. ITV1 will be hoping Doc Martin can pull in 8m+ a week when it returns and Downton Abbey to probs be around 9-10m an episode if last year is anything to go by. |
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not sure what what the ratings are for Idol, but I assume Cowell is looking for X-Factor to do better.
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I could see New Tricks USA doing over 10 million on CBS.
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A US remake of New Tricks would heavily depend on casting, NT has the nostalgia factor with its cast and guest stars. Its a shame Tom Selleck is in Blue Bloods as he would ideal for a NT remake.
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Would such a series as New Tricks ever work elsewhere? Otherwise you have to wonder why such an obviously massively popular series which appears to appeal to a surprisingly wide age range (when you would expect it to skew pretty old) has not been remade in the USA, or anywhere else so far as I know.
The equivalent ratings stateside would make it an NCIS type success, but no commercial channel there is thinking about recasting this massively popular UK show. Presumably worried that it would get the right kind of audience for ads. So I don't think there's any particular reason why CBS wouldn't take on a show like New Tricks because they're probably the only network that could get such a a large overall audience that, even with the low skew, they get a decent A18-49 rating. However, CBS aren't short on procedural ideas just now! Quote:
Ok maybe i failed to include other cables, but it would still be an incredible success, at least 12m then shall we say,
Anyone know what XFUSA is expecting? More or less than American Idol?? ![]() A bit like Red or Black, they can't be hard selling to advertisers and coming out at the same time and saying to the public "if we just get to a second season we'll be delighted."But no, it's not going to beat American Idol. Even with all his hype, I think Cowell has semi-acknowledged that. Privately, he and FOX will have tracking numbers to help them guess where the numbers will be. We can only go on recent ratings history to make our predictions. It ought to be the highest rated premiere in premiere week anyway (in total viewers and A18-49). It faces Charlie's Angels on its second night and while that probably won't see a second season, remakes always premiere big. The premiere of Two and a Half Men with Ashton Kutcher is also being heavily hyped. I do wonder if we could see 20m for that. FOX's other biggie is the Steven Spielberg drama, Terra Nova which doesn't start until the 26th. Like X Factor, that has been talked about for nearly 2 years. It also has a pilot that is allegedly the most expensive in history for a broadcast network. |
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That's quite astounding for New Tricks. Mind you, it probably helps with sub 2m and not so funny competition...
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The overnight series average for New Tricks was 8.18m.
Until episode 8, the official series average has been 9.34m. Here's how that compares to previous series: 2003 (Pilot)........ 6.69m 2004 (Series 1).. 7.00m 2005 (Series 2).. 7.48m 2006 (Series 3).. 8.00m 2007 (Series 4).. 8.25m 2008 (Series 5).. 8.70m 2009 (Series 6).. 7.94m 2010 (Series 7).. 7.85m 2011 (Series 8).. 9.34m* * 8 out of 10 officials in yet. The latest series was the most popular yet. |
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BGT was event TV even in its first series without the big figures. Going daily for almost 2 weeks had never been done before for such a format. The ratings started fairly average but gained momentum and quickly got the highest rating in years. Subsequently almost every reality show benefitted and ratings shot up across the board. I remember a big fuss because the final peaked at 13.5m viewers yet these days thats pretty standard or even an underperformance for the big reality shows. Thats probably what they were hoping for with Red or Black but its notoriously hard to recapture such magic. They need an innovative show to do that, and Red or Black simply isn't unique enough.
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Some interesting ratings there. It seemed to peak in 2008 with series 5 then levelled off for 2-years until it bounced over 9m for the latest series. Never watched myself. May have to see what all the fuss is about one day, but you can't argue with those ratings.
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That's quite astounding for New Tricks.
88% for George Gently. Another repeat favourite. |
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CBS skews really old too - their average viewer is about 54 (and that's brought down significantly by the comedies and reality shows). Only around 27-28% of the NCIS audience are aged 18-49, for The Good Wife it's even lower (25%). I can't imagine that anything could skew much older?
So I don't think there's any particular reason why CBS wouldn't take on a show like New Tricks because they're probably the only network that could get such a a large overall audience that, even with the low skew, they get a decent A18-49 rating. However, CBS aren't short on procedural ideas just now! And whilst NCIS skews old as a sign of how big its audience is in general its still one of the biggest shows in the 18-49 demo on US television. |
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From rzt, STV are opting out of DCI Banks: http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...&postcount=178
Also STV will not show Holding Out For A Hero on Sunday but on Tuesday instead when they are not showing ITV1's Missing Millions and 71 Degrees North And tonight STV are showing Countrywise, a Rugby documentary (that also gets an ITV Border airing on Thursday night) and Underbelly instead of England vs Wales Quote:
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20:00- Royal Navy Submarine Mission: 1.2m (5.2%) 21:00- Soho Blues: 0.8m (3.0%) As for Soho Blues, unsurprisingly poor. It's yet another documentary about the emergency services. The sort of thing that will pick up casual viewers when the alternatives are poor, but absolutely wasted against heavy hitting opposition. Channel 5 would have been far better trying to go for an 'unusual angle' such as ITV did with Fraud Squad, or trying to do another series of Vice Squad |
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If I was a gambling man I'd say Red Or Black won't be coming back.
Quite apart from its iffy format I suspect people have genuinely been turned off by the sheer grubbiness of it all. |
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It ought to be the highest rated premiere in premiere week anyway (in total viewers and A18-49). It faces Charlie's Angels on its second night and while that probably won't see a second season, remakes always premiere big.
Wednesday - Survivor for the first hour won't be a walkover. Then in the second hour Criminal Minds has a big fan baiting premiere episode and ABC is rolling out an hour of Modern Family. Thursday - The first hour it'll be up against an hour of Big Bang Theory on CBS and Charlie's Angels on ABC. Hour two will be the first half of a two-hour Grey's Anatomy premiere (despite the audience erosion of recent years Grey's still tends to premiere well), plus the debut of Person of Interest on CBS and the first episode of The Office with the new boss on NBC. New show wise Terra Nova should have the biggest debut (although I can't remember if Fox is rolling that out during 'premiere week' or not) and returning show wise I'd guess Two and a Half Men will be huge. |
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Have all the series aired in the same months every year? It seems bizarre for a show in its 8th year to suddenly become its most successful run.
2003/04: 11.84m 2004/05: 13.57m 2005/06: 15.27m 2006/07: 14.54m 2007/08: 14.41m 2008/09: 17.77m 2009/10: 19.33m 2010/11: 19.46m One of the reasons given for the rise is that the USA cable channel (which is the highest rated cable network) bought repeat rights (quite cheaply) and it did incredibly well for them so they repeated it more and introduced more people to the show. I'm sure New Tricks being repeated quite often is helping its first run airings. The "real" terms rise is even better for NCIS - US networks are under more pressure from cable and losing more of their audiences. CSI in 2003/04 had 25.3m a week, down to 13.5m last season. |
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If I was a gambling man I'd say Red Or Black won't be coming back.
Quite apart from its iffy format I suspect people have genuinely been turned off by the sheer grubbiness of it all. I mean, disregarding budget for a minute, 5m is still higher than 80 percent of other programmes on ITV. |
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They're also desperately trying to lower that average and convince advertisers that they're serious about lowering the average. Hence Kutcher on Two and a Half Men, the big push for Person of Interest and moving Big Bang Theory to Thursday last year.
And whilst NCIS skews old as a sign of how big its audience is in general its still one of the biggest shows in the 18-49 demo on US television. Aside from CBS, TNT would be the next natural home for a New Tricks remake as they already air procedural like The Closer and Rizzoli and Isles which get 6-7m and IMO would get double that if they aired on CBS although TNT do seem to trying to broaden with shows like Falling Skies and Dallas. Wall to Wall's parent company Shed Media is owned by Warner Bros so I imagine they'll be trying to develop a remake. Doc Martin another one I'm surprised hasn't been remade yet. |
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I wouldn't bet on that especially if we're including returning shows. I'm not even convinced X Factor USA is going to win its slots when it debuts. It has some tough competition
Wednesday - Survivor for the first hour won't be a walkover. Then in the second hour Criminal Minds has a big fan baiting premiere episode and ABC is rolling out an hour of Modern Family. Thursday - The first hour it'll be up against an hour of Big Bang Theory on CBS and Charlie's Angels on ABC. Hour two will be the first half of a two-hour Grey's Anatomy premiere (despite the audience erosion of recent years Grey's still tends to premiere well), plus the debut of Person of Interest on CBS and the first episode of The Office with the new boss on NBC. New show wise Terra Nova should have the biggest debut (although I can't remember if Fox is rolling that out during 'premiere week' or not) and returning show wise I'd guess Two and a Half Men will be huge. It is a tough start. ABC's hour long comedy specials aren't going to help. Criminal Minds shouldn't be too big an issue, IMO. Big audience but I don't think it's an audience which has much crossover with X Factor (or Idol). Definitely agree about Thursday, though. That's going to be a really tough night to air a second episode against a whole stack of (very hotly anticipated) premieres. Person of Interest is one I'm looking forward to seeing the ratings for. It will certainly make CBS younger on Thursday nights. |
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That's actually another point for comparison with NCIS in the States.
2003/04: 11.84m 2004/05: 13.57m 2005/06: 15.27m 2006/07: 14.54m 2007/08: 14.41m 2008/09: 17.77m 2009/10: 19.33m 2010/11: 19.46m One of the reasons given for the rise is that the USA cable channel (which is the highest rated cable network) bought repeat rights (quite cheaply) and it did incredibly well for them so they repeated it more and introduced more people to the show. I'm sure New Tricks being repeated quite often is helping its first run airings. The "real" terms rise is even better for NCIS - US networks are under more pressure from cable and losing more of their audiences. CSI in 2003/04 had 25.3m a week, down to 13.5m last season. |
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A bit like Red or Black, they can't be hard selling to advertisers and coming out at the same time and saying to the public "if we just get to a second season we'll be delighted."
