Originally Posted by dan2008:
“I thought it had been
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“I thought it had been
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The papers have talked about it but it's officially confirmed on The One Show.
The Ratings Thread (Part 24)
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Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“For some reason it only just occurred to me that they're announcing the Strictly line-up on The One Show going against the football build-up on ITV. That won't be coincidence surely? And doesn't officially announcing the contestants on The One Show slightly undercut the launch show?”
“For some reason it only just occurred to me that they're announcing the Strictly line-up on The One Show going against the football build-up on ITV. That won't be coincidence surely? And doesn't officially announcing the contestants on The One Show slightly undercut the launch show?”
I wouldnt think ther eis much crossover between Footballa nd The One Show / Strictly, besides if an England football game cant cope with the announcement of the cast of a reality TV show, then may I suggest we all adpot Major Leage Baseball, as football in the UK will be finished.
The only Strictly relatd press ive sen is that Chers son is going to be on DWTS and how fat he is, feel sorry for him I do.
I'm not suggesting it'll dent the football just stop some viewers from flicking over to ITV1 before the match starts and just letting The One Show hold up a little better.
Originally Posted by rzt:
“I don't think they expected 8-10m figures every single night, as you suggested. If they did, and we don't have any quotes from any representatives that they were hoping for those sorts of figures, I think they're deluded.”
“I don't think they expected 8-10m figures every single night, as you suggested. If they did, and we don't have any quotes from any representatives that they were hoping for those sorts of figures, I think they're deluded.”
Is there much evidence to suggest they aren't?
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“1. ITV knows that if they air a programme next to TXF on a Saturday night, it will most likely get ratings about 20% higher than if those shows don't air next to TXF. They know this from the experiences they've had with Family Fortunes/The Cube/Odd One In/Life Stories to name just a few shows from the last year. With this in mind, it was pretty much a guarantee that ROB would drop off from the 1st Saturday episode rating to the next 5 episodes which didn't have the luxury of airing next to TXF. Even if ROB had somehow managed to almost miraculously launch with 9m on Saturday, it probably would've dropped to 7m on the Sunday, outside your 8-10m zone due to what I've said. Even established shows like IAC drop from when they have an XF lead-in to when they don't, so I dunno why people think ITV were expecting its ratings to remain stable or even grow. If that had happened, it would've been unprecedented.”
“1. ITV knows that if they air a programme next to TXF on a Saturday night, it will most likely get ratings about 20% higher than if those shows don't air next to TXF. They know this from the experiences they've had with Family Fortunes/The Cube/Odd One In/Life Stories to name just a few shows from the last year. With this in mind, it was pretty much a guarantee that ROB would drop off from the 1st Saturday episode rating to the next 5 episodes which didn't have the luxury of airing next to TXF. Even if ROB had somehow managed to almost miraculously launch with 9m on Saturday, it probably would've dropped to 7m on the Sunday, outside your 8-10m zone due to what I've said. Even established shows like IAC drop from when they have an XF lead-in to when they don't, so I dunno why people think ITV were expecting its ratings to remain stable or even grow. If that had happened, it would've been unprecedented.”
Every weeknight its wrapped around Corrie, with either Emmerdale or Corrie before the 8pm show each night apart from Thursday. Its not like its lost out too badly from losing X Factor. You have to consider that if Corrie is getting 8m at 9pm then Red or Black should be guaranteed a high proportion of Corrie's audience just keeping ITV1 for the £1m spin.
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“2. There is no precedent for a new game show in the last decade to get 8-10m in their first series (or indeed any series). Yes, I'm perfectly aware that this was an expensive show to make compared to other game shows, however that doesn't automatically mean it would instantly get 8-10m. You could do the same kind of comparison with dramas: a series like Hustle costs about double per hour to make than a series like Waterloo Road. Do we expect Hustle to get double the no. of viewers that WR is getting? Of course, we don't. We can do the same sort of comparison with factual: a Sir David Attenbrough factual series like Life had a reported budget of almost £1m per episode compared to a factual show like DIY SOS which I suspect costs no more than £200k. Do we expect Life to have gotten 5x as many viewers as DIY SOS or 8-10m? No, we didn't. I could do those kind of comparisons for shows on any given channel.
Generally it's true, that the more money you spend on a show, the more chance you have of getting higher ratings. But the relationship between the two factors (cost and actual no. of viewers) aren't directly proportional to each other, and broadcasters are well aware of that.”
“2. There is no precedent for a new game show in the last decade to get 8-10m in their first series (or indeed any series). Yes, I'm perfectly aware that this was an expensive show to make compared to other game shows, however that doesn't automatically mean it would instantly get 8-10m. You could do the same kind of comparison with dramas: a series like Hustle costs about double per hour to make than a series like Waterloo Road. Do we expect Hustle to get double the no. of viewers that WR is getting? Of course, we don't. We can do the same sort of comparison with factual: a Sir David Attenbrough factual series like Life had a reported budget of almost £1m per episode compared to a factual show like DIY SOS which I suspect costs no more than £200k. Do we expect Life to have gotten 5x as many viewers as DIY SOS or 8-10m? No, we didn't. I could do those kind of comparisons for shows on any given channel.
Generally it's true, that the more money you spend on a show, the more chance you have of getting higher ratings. But the relationship between the two factors (cost and actual no. of viewers) aren't directly proportional to each other, and broadcasters are well aware of that.”
That point is bordering on patronising.
If ITV have spent so much money on a show that they honestly believed would only get the ratings they were getting or slightly better then ITV has worse problems than I thought.
Your earlier post about the ratings needed for the show to break even that DMN posted further on stated that they need 1.2m 16-34s to watch or just over 5m based on previous Syco show's demograhics. Surely they would have expected well over the break even point to even bother making the show.
Also, one of the main reasons given for making the show at such a cost was to have the chance to sell the show overseas as part of ITVS. I cant see that happening now.
Mmm not sure what to make of that Strictly line up. Pippa Middleton would have created a dream for the newspapers.
Generally though, and I love SCD, the day the Beeb start to get a Kylie rather than a Jason is the day the show will hit the big league guestwise. I rather suspect that day may be some way off.
Generally though, and I love SCD, the day the Beeb start to get a Kylie rather than a Jason is the day the show will hit the big league guestwise. I rather suspect that day may be some way off.
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Yeah. Just to note one thing, I made that post a few months ago when I was under the impression it would be just 90 minutes a night. As it turns out, there have been some nights when there's been 105 minutes of Red or Black, so more adverts then. Overall, it means that per night this week there's an average of 96mins of Red or Bleck. So to break even, it's probably closer to 1.1m 16-34s which they need than 1.2m (according to those calculations).”
“Yeah. Just to note one thing, I made that post a few months ago when I was under the impression it would be just 90 minutes a night. As it turns out, there have been some nights when there's been 105 minutes of Red or Black, so more adverts then. Overall, it means that per night this week there's an average of 96mins of Red or Bleck. So to break even, it's probably closer to 1.1m 16-34s which they need than 1.2m (according to those calculations).”
Rzt, don't those costs per thousand refer to the number watching the adverts, rather than the show average? As internal breaks always rate lower than the actual programme, wouldn't that mean a higher programme rating would be needed to secure break-even?
Some interesting points form the BBC One schedule week beginning September 17th.
Saturday: Hour long episode of Celebrity Masterchef at 6.10pm. Live at the Apollo repeat at 9.40.
Sunday: New series' of Antiques Roadshow at 8.00 and Spooks at 9.00 (repeated Monday 11.05).
Wednesday: New series of Ask Rhod Gilbert at 10.45.
Thursday: Crimewatch at 9.00.
Friday: New series of Nigel Slater's Simple Cooking at 7.30.
The final series of Spooks btw is only six episodes long, so will only be up against Downton Abbey and will end on the 23rd October.
Saturday: Hour long episode of Celebrity Masterchef at 6.10pm. Live at the Apollo repeat at 9.40.
Sunday: New series' of Antiques Roadshow at 8.00 and Spooks at 9.00 (repeated Monday 11.05).
Wednesday: New series of Ask Rhod Gilbert at 10.45.
Thursday: Crimewatch at 9.00.
Friday: New series of Nigel Slater's Simple Cooking at 7.30.
The final series of Spooks btw is only six episodes long, so will only be up against Downton Abbey and will end on the 23rd October.
What is going on with Celebrity Masterchef? There's a random half hour of it currently scheduled for Friday 16 & 23 at 8:30 as well.
Originally Posted by ronant:
“Saturday: Hour long episode of Celebrity Masterchef at 6.10pm. .”
“Saturday: Hour long episode of Celebrity Masterchef at 6.10pm. .”
This is back already? How many times per year to they wheel this out? Not really Saturday night material either.
hadnt realised Spooks was only 6 episodes, but then there may well be a plot arc across these 6 episodes.
Originally Posted by dubsj:
“Spooks playing on a Sunday @ 9pm vs Downtown Abbey from the 18th September...”
“Spooks playing on a Sunday @ 9pm vs Downtown Abbey from the 18th September...”
Originally Posted by MattJKR:
“Really strange to see that provisionally Celebity Masterchef takes the 18:10 slot on BBC One on Saturday 17 September - what on earth are they doing with this show, daytime for the main run and a selection of highlight shows in primetime one would assume - but Saturday night, really?”
“Really strange to see that provisionally Celebity Masterchef takes the 18:10 slot on BBC One on Saturday 17 September - what on earth are they doing with this show, daytime for the main run and a selection of highlight shows in primetime one would assume - but Saturday night, really?”
Were both of these Jay Hunt's and George Dixon's last presents before leaving BBC One?
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“What is going on with Celebrity Masterchef? There's a random half hour of it currently scheduled for Friday 16 & 23 at 8:30 as well.”
“What is going on with Celebrity Masterchef? There's a random half hour of it currently scheduled for Friday 16 & 23 at 8:30 as well.”
Weird!! Looks like the heats are Mon-Fri on daytime, a 'meet the finalists' on Friday evenings and the weekly final on Saturday evenings!!
Originally Posted by Newcastle:
“This is back already? How many times per year to they wheel this out? Not really Saturday night material either.”
“This is back already? How many times per year to they wheel this out? Not really Saturday night material either.”
Was last on in August 2010 - the final of series 5. 'Civilian' series ended in April this year.
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Were both of these Jay Hunt's and George Dixon's last presents before leaving BBC One?”
“Were both of these Jay Hunt's and George Dixon's last presents before leaving BBC One?”
They both actually seem quite sensible to me -
Sunday night 9pm is a very important slot, yet Downton Abbey means nothing traditionally 'sunday night' would succeed there. Spooks seems like good complimentary scheduling.
As for Celebrity Masterchef it'll be interesting to see how it works in practice but i for one dont want to see yet more Masterchef in BBC1 primetime throughout the autumn, it can take up far too much space, so this is an innovative solution which could work nicely - certainly boosts daytime too.
Originally Posted by ronant:
“Some interesting points form the BBC One schedule week beginning September 17th.
Saturday: Hour long episode of Celebrity Masterchef at 6.10pm. Live at the Apollo repeat at 9.40.
Sunday: New series' of Antiques Roadshow at 8.00 and Spooks at 9.00 (repeated Monday 11.05).
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“Some interesting points form the BBC One schedule week beginning September 17th.
Saturday: Hour long episode of Celebrity Masterchef at 6.10pm. Live at the Apollo repeat at 9.40.
Sunday: New series' of Antiques Roadshow at 8.00 and Spooks at 9.00 (repeated Monday 11.05).
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Strictly back on Saturdays from October 1st so either Masterchef moves to 5.30 or.....
Sunday 18th September will be
6.00 Nature's Miracle Babies
7.00 Countryfile
8.00 Antiques Roadshow
9.00 Spooks
NMB will be the final episode so maybe Masterchef's hour long highlights programme will move to Sundays at 6pm from September 25th or October 2nd.
edit: Just realised that from Sunday 2nd they'll have to fit in a Strictly results show, probably at 7.30 between CF at 6.30 and AR at 8pm.
Haven't the BBC got Merlin to fit into the Saturday night schedule as well? Assuming they're not just going to do a straight switch of Doctor Who for Merlin but overlap the two shows for a week or two? Surely a combo of Doctor Who, Merlin and Strictly has to be too tempting to miss even if its only for one week.
Although don't they have too many episodes of Merlin to wait until Doctor Who finishes to air it? Unless they run it over Christmas or split it...
Although don't they have too many episodes of Merlin to wait until Doctor Who finishes to air it? Unless they run it over Christmas or split it...
on this discussion of an international New Tricks, it seems it does air in Australia
http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2011/09/...ew-tricks.html
Shockingly enough on ABC 1.
so new episode Week 16, Friday night ABC 1
3rd most watched of the day, 1,057,000
Week 15, 3rd, 1,011,000
Week 14 1st 1,121,000
ive not looked back any further, but the show seems to be succesful for ABC 1.
http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2011/09/...ew-tricks.html
Shockingly enough on ABC 1.
so new episode Week 16, Friday night ABC 1
3rd most watched of the day, 1,057,000
Week 15, 3rd, 1,011,000
Week 14 1st 1,121,000
ive not looked back any further, but the show seems to be succesful for ABC 1.
Originally Posted by ronant:
“They both actually seem quite sensible to me -
Sunday night 9pm is a very important slot, yet Downton Abbey means nothing traditionally 'sunday night' would succeed there. Spooks seems like good complimentary scheduling.
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“They both actually seem quite sensible to me -
Sunday night 9pm is a very important slot, yet Downton Abbey means nothing traditionally 'sunday night' would succeed there. Spooks seems like good complimentary scheduling.
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I agree. And as someone pointed out a few days ago, it's the last series of Spooks so it doesn't matter if it slips in the ratings.
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Monday 5th September Overnights
E4 (inc +1)
18:30- The Big Bang Theory: 613k
22:00- Hollyoaks Later: 694k”
“Monday 5th September Overnights
E4 (inc +1)
18:30- The Big Bang Theory: 613k
22:00- Hollyoaks Later: 694k”
Good figures for both there. Any figures for Scrubs at 5pm and My Name is Earl at 8pm for the first day post Friends?
Originally Posted by ronant:
“They both actually seem quite sensible to me -
Sunday night 9pm is a very important slot, yet Downton Abbey means nothing traditionally 'sunday night' would succeed there. Spooks seems like good complimentary scheduling.
As for Celebrity Masterchef it'll be interesting to see how it works in practice but i for one dont want to see yet more Masterchef in BBC1 primetime throughout the autumn, it can take up far too much space, so this is an innovative solution which could work nicely - certainly boosts daytime too.”
“They both actually seem quite sensible to me -
Sunday night 9pm is a very important slot, yet Downton Abbey means nothing traditionally 'sunday night' would succeed there. Spooks seems like good complimentary scheduling.
As for Celebrity Masterchef it'll be interesting to see how it works in practice but i for one dont want to see yet more Masterchef in BBC1 primetime throughout the autumn, it can take up far too much space, so this is an innovative solution which could work nicely - certainly boosts daytime too.”
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“I agree. And as someone pointed out a few days ago, it's the last series of Spooks so it doesn't matter if it slips in the ratings.”
“I agree. And as someone pointed out a few days ago, it's the last series of Spooks so it doesn't matter if it slips in the ratings.”
I don't think the Spooks decision is bad, more the Masterchef one. If it wasn't doing well in primetime, I could see the logic - but 5m is very good primetime figures so it confused me.
And looking at DigiGuide, just noticed:
8 Out of 10 Cats (NEW - Quiz Show)
Friday, September 23rd, 2011 on Channel 4 from 10:30pm to 11:05pm
So Hunt's taken her scheduling tactics over to C4.
Well, Celebrity Masterchef's scheduling is certainly, um, innovative. Absolutely no idea how that one's going to work. If the weekday episodes were at 5.15 then it might actually make a reasonable amount of sense, but this way is just a bit bonkers!
As far as Spooks is concerned - I would defend that one on the grounds that I'm not sure what else BBC One could do with that Sunday slot short of complete surrender. In a way, Downton Abbey is a bigger problem for them than TXF because the sort of older-skewing, high brow stuff they'd turn to against the latter just won't work. There's nothing to be lost from playing Spooks there and I imagine its built a dedicated enough audience over the years to pull acceptable figures. In any case, they probably consider it better than sacrificing Frozen Planet, Jeremy Paxman's Empire, or something else that'd arrive to find half its natural audience watching the other side.
As far as Spooks is concerned - I would defend that one on the grounds that I'm not sure what else BBC One could do with that Sunday slot short of complete surrender. In a way, Downton Abbey is a bigger problem for them than TXF because the sort of older-skewing, high brow stuff they'd turn to against the latter just won't work. There's nothing to be lost from playing Spooks there and I imagine its built a dedicated enough audience over the years to pull acceptable figures. In any case, they probably consider it better than sacrificing Frozen Planet, Jeremy Paxman's Empire, or something else that'd arrive to find half its natural audience watching the other side.
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“on this discussion of an international New Tricks, it seems it does air in Australia
http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2011/09/...ew-tricks.html
Shockingly enough on ABC 1.
Ill see if I can find some ratings”
“on this discussion of an international New Tricks, it seems it does air in Australia
http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2011/09/...ew-tricks.html
Shockingly enough on ABC 1.
Ill see if I can find some ratings”
Love this bit from the article
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“Ben Stephenson, controller of BBC Drama Commissioning, said: “New Tricks continues to grow and is a huge favourite with the audience making it the highest rating drama on TV so far this year.”
“Ben Stephenson, controller of BBC Drama Commissioning, said: “New Tricks continues to grow and is a huge favourite with the audience making it the highest rating drama on TV so far this year.”
Yes, good thinking, Ben. Get in there quick before Downton Abbey and Doc Martin return
Yes nice quote from Ben Stephenson.
there is some ratings in my post now, but ill repost them
new episode Week 16, Friday night ABC 1 (2011)
3rd most watched of the day, 1,057,000
Week 15, 3rd, 1,011,000
Week 14, 1st 1,121,000
ive not looked back any further, but the show seems to be succesful for ABC 1.
there is some ratings in my post now, but ill repost them
new episode Week 16, Friday night ABC 1 (2011)
3rd most watched of the day, 1,057,000
Week 15, 3rd, 1,011,000
Week 14, 1st 1,121,000
ive not looked back any further, but the show seems to be succesful for ABC 1.
Whatever is argued about the status of Red or Black? I'm sure ITV's intention was not for it to rate around the same as 'top' soap filler against EastEnders. Atthe moment I'd say it's slightly embarrassing for ITV1, but not a serious problem. Coronation Street did very well considering the opposition and Emmerdale benefited from the Coronation Street audience at 7.30pm to record an excellent rating.
New Tricks is like a cockroach - nothing seems to finish it off! That's a terrific figure for it. EastEnders matched Emmerdale against tougher opposition. BBC One will be pleased to see The One Show over 4m and the Strictly reveal should boost tonight against weaker competition.
Celebrity Big Brother pulled in another good figure for Channel 5 and it really stands out amongst the other viewing figures. Saying that Royal Navy Submarine Mission did ok in the 8pm and the 11pm share is decent considering it's a spin off show.
University Challenge did very well on BBC Two; I wish they would try Only Connect at 8.30pm on Two instead of BBC Four as I think it'd do well off the back of another educational quiz show. The Arab Spring didn't pull in a great number of viewers; presumably there was an audience crossover with Channel 4.
Hollyoaks are changing producer in the middle of it's strongest ratings run in a while...puzzling, to say the least. The 9/11 documentary did a very good job at 9pm considering the opposition, but The Grand Zero Mosque doidn't compliment it as much as maybe Channel 4 would've liked.
New Tricks is like a cockroach - nothing seems to finish it off! That's a terrific figure for it. EastEnders matched Emmerdale against tougher opposition. BBC One will be pleased to see The One Show over 4m and the Strictly reveal should boost tonight against weaker competition.
Celebrity Big Brother pulled in another good figure for Channel 5 and it really stands out amongst the other viewing figures. Saying that Royal Navy Submarine Mission did ok in the 8pm and the 11pm share is decent considering it's a spin off show.
University Challenge did very well on BBC Two; I wish they would try Only Connect at 8.30pm on Two instead of BBC Four as I think it'd do well off the back of another educational quiz show. The Arab Spring didn't pull in a great number of viewers; presumably there was an audience crossover with Channel 4.
Hollyoaks are changing producer in the middle of it's strongest ratings run in a while...puzzling, to say the least. The 9/11 documentary did a very good job at 9pm considering the opposition, but The Grand Zero Mosque doidn't compliment it as much as maybe Channel 4 would've liked.
I'd agree that Spooks on Sunday feels like decent counter programming to Downton Abby on ITV. Plus its better to put something in its final series up against the X Factor inflated Abby then a new show (like The Body Farm for example or new factual).
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