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Old 08-09-2011, 00:42
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The Strictly line-up is as you'd expect - nobody with a decent career does this kind of thing. That's the case 99.9% of the time whether it's Big Brother, I'm A Celeb, Dancing On Ice or Celeb X Factor. But that has never been the key driver, it's about the mix of people and the personalities and the tabloid fodder.

Holly Valance has fairly piled on the pounds since she married her billionaire and The Daily Mail like to do articles on that. Expect wardrobe to squeeze the poor girl into dresses that are too tight and the DM to lap it up! Edwina Currie is an obvious attempt at Ann Widdecombe - a bit unimaginative but I daresay the DM will still be interested and perhaps in Sven's ex as well. Alex Jones can talk about it all the time on The One Show. Rory will be funny. Lulu will be a pain. Harry will end up dating his pro partner.

All in all, that line-up should probably work perfectly well for them.

From a ratings perspective, ITV2's looking strong this Autumn with a schedule including: Celebrity Juice, TOWIE, IAC: Now, Peter Andre, Xtra Factor, TXF repeats, TXF USA (should do well). And then, they've got Hell's Kitchen USA and The Vampire Diaries getting pretty good numbers in the Monday/Tuesday 9pm slots, as well as some of the movies too. What they need now is a new homegrown drama and new British sitcom to take off, two genres they're currently lacking in. If they can get two of those through in the next year, they'd have a really strong ratings lineup.
Definitely looks like ITV2 will have a big 4th quarter. I think TOWIE does 2 episodes a week as well?

As for British scripted, I used to think they should try harder. But I'm not so sure now. To me, ITV2 seems to be an entertainment channel.

It's unfortunate that Sky have launched Sky Atlantic because I'd have said something like that would have been perfect for ITV. Done under a different brand for pay TV, building a line-up of US imports and UK original scripted content. Keeping ITV2 focussed on its entertainment output.

Why?

Much easier competition than Monday and a lot of press coverage in the last two days. Both Red or Black shows should be hitting 6m tonight.
I'd have thought the obvious answer was "because it sucks"? I thought we'd all just about agreed on that?! I'll be surprised if it holds up through the week. The first show may get some help tonight but the second one will be down, IMO.

Press coverage works if you can tune in for something - so autotune-gate on X Factor had no effect. Gamu being sent home had no effect. Katie Waissel staying in... bingo. Unless people were tuning in to see Dec say that "due to unforseen circumstances, we've only got 7 contestants tonight", I'm not sure that it'll make much difference. Particularly when most come with comment on how the show is slumping in the ratings!
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Old 08-09-2011, 00:43
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So will I. don't get me wrong i love the show i just think the BBC Should done better then a Daybreak presenter. And i still think it should have had 1 big name star but i suppose with the cuts happening with the BBC At the moment that won't happen for a long time.
SCD have had several GMTV presenters before, Kate Garraway, Fiona Phillips, Andrew Castle, its smart casting as they will be promoting SCD on Daybreak (not that many will be watching Daybreak though ). DOI had Comedy Dave on their last series and Radio 1 plugged the show massively for weeks.
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Old 08-09-2011, 00:51
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]I'd have thought the obvious answer was "because it sucks"? I thought we'd all just about agreed on that?! I'll be surprised if it holds up through the week. The first show may get some help tonight but the second one will be down, IMO.

Press coverage works if you can tune in for something - so autotune-gate on X Factor had no effect. Gamu being sent home had no effect. Katie Waissel staying in... bingo. Unless people were tuning in to see Dec say that "due to unforseen circumstances, we've only got 7 contestants tonight", I'm not sure that it'll make much difference. Particularly when most come with comment on how the show is slumping in the ratings!
Just because its bad doesnt mean it wont get better ratings. When has quality ever been related to ratings?

The scheduling will see it OK, an Emmerdale and Corrie sandwich for the first show, against the mighty Village SOS too. The second part has a Corrie lead-in and all the major channels will be halfway through their show. Show Me The Funny could have been successful wth Red or Black's scheduling.
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Old 08-09-2011, 00:54
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ITV2 has tried comedy and drama and it hasn't worked with the exception of Celebrity Juice. their only real success was Secret Diary of the Call Girl which only survived because it had US funding from Showtime.

ITV3 does well and it has broaden its slate to include documentaries but I think it needs a few more original content, original drama and comedy would be ideal but I imagine ITV1 would be afraid it would dent them unless scheduled on a football or filler night like Tuesdays. ITV4 is essentially ITV Sport but I think it would benefit from US imports that skewed more male.
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Old 08-09-2011, 01:07
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Just because its bad doesnt mean it wont get better ratings. When has quality ever been related to ratings?

The scheduling will see it OK, an Emmerdale and Corrie sandwich for the first show, against the mighty Village SOS too. The second part has a Corrie lead-in and all the major channels will be halfway through their show. Show Me The Funny could have been successful wth Red or Black's scheduling.
I seem to remember Show Me The Funny having a Corrie lead-in for every episode and a more favourable 9pm timeslot with no EE clashes.

I just can't see how they're going to get to 6m for the results - it's not as if 1m Corrie viewers switched to New Tricks on Monday at 9.30pm. And we know the numbers will slide across the half hour anyway.
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Old 08-09-2011, 01:09
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ok the Strictly Come Dancing line up (having now looked it up)

Alex Jones - I think we have all heard of her, nice safe chioce of a BBC employee there
Anita Dobson - Former EE actress maybe the first actress to appear on the show who doesnt return to EastEnders afterwards, but ive heard of her
Audley Harrison - Olympic Gold medallist and boxer, it rings a bell.
Chelsee Healey - apparntly she is on Waterloo Road whilst not a true BBC employee like Alex Jones its a safe BBC choice.
Daniel Lobb - Former professional tennis player and TV presenter, I read in this thread he is on Daybreak, but him I have not heard of. However he looks like he might get some older women swooning.
Edwina Currie - Ive heard of her.
Harry Judd - According to DS he is from McFly who I have heard of, and I can think of one member of this thread who will be pleased to se ehim on the show.
Holly Valance - a return to Ramsay Street maybe on the cards, if what is true for EE actors holds true for Neighbours stars, still looking good but you cant help but think she is reaching for anything to avoid a return to Ramsay Street.
Jason Donovan - Star of ITV 1 soap Echo Beach, ive heard of him to.
Lulu - I think she will do really well on the show, good for her, ive also heard of her.
Nancy Dell’Olio - the name rings a bell, not sure who she is however.
Robbie Savage - According to DS he is a footballer, that explains why I dont know who he is.
Rory Bremner - I guess he should take back any jokes he may have made about John Sargent, shame there is nothing better he could be doing, a return to Mock the Week would be welcomed by me.
Russell Grant - talking of John Sargent.

In conculsion, whilst there are nonames that are bigger than you would expect this is not a bad line up, ive heard of the vast majorality of them, and few are total nobodies, expect the Waterloo Road girl and the McFly guy.
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Old 08-09-2011, 01:13
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A shame they aren't launching Merlin a week earlier as it could really benefit from the Doctor Who lead in. Having the finale on Xmas Eve would work really well too, New Year's Eve seems a waste. If they don't start it until the 8th then I agree with Brekkie that they should shift the finale to NYD where it could also do really well.
I'd have liked to see Doctor Who and Merlin air back-to-back, too. If nothing else, just to be able to make some sort of comparison between the two. On the overnights, Merlin might well be able to give the bigger show a run for its money. Of course, I'm sure we'll still compare the two, but that comparison is nulled slightly by the unknowable effects of a SCD lead-in and XF opposition.

Still, there's lots of interesting possibilities with Merlin at Christmas. It's definitely worth a good slot on one of the big days - but knowing the BBC at Christmas, it'll probably wind up going out at lunchtime on the 27th or something.

(Like one of the best offerings last Christmas: Just William. Probably the worst scheduling decision of the year from the BSI. And thats saying something. Anyway, I digress... )

Yeah, it's strange how there now seems to be an inquest into what BBC One has in its schedules against certain ITV1 shows.

As rzt pointed out tonight, Downton Abbey gets lots of mentions on this thread, but it also seems to have built up some kind of sacred cow status in media circles, far more than Doc Martin (which gets roughly the same audience figures on the same channel, sometimes in the same Sunday 9pm slot). I don't know why it's a sacred cow to the media. I know Julian Fellowes is flavour of the month in media circles, and it's never been the done thing to criticise anything Maggie Smith is involved in, but I don't think these things explain why it's fiercely protected by the press.
I smiled when I saw those Spooks vs Downton articles too. Anything with DA attached seems to have become worthy of column inches in the broadsheets - its been like that all year, really. It's very unusual for a non-soap drama to have that level of attention over every casting, scripting, scheduling, storylining permutation - a couple of years back it was perhaps true of Doctor Who though thats naturally faded back a bit over time. Good news for the show, though. Even with relatively "non-collapsable" opposition like Spooks, I think Downton's return could be massive...
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Old 08-09-2011, 01:18
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I seem to remember Show Me The Funny having a Corrie lead-in for every episode and a more favourable 9pm timeslot with no EE clashes.
OK, maybe that was an example too far.

I just can't see how they're going to get to 6m for the results - it's not as if 1m Corrie viewers switched to New Tricks on Monday at 9.30pm. And we know the numbers will slide across the half hour anyway.
The 8pm show should be near 6m, a soap sandwich and poor competition.

I would presume that Corrie would be up on Monday's figure due to poorer competition and that should give RoB a good chance to get a somewhere respectable figure.
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Old 08-09-2011, 01:25
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The first series of Downton Abbey was good so it may suffer from second series syndrome but I wouldn't surprise if it breaks 10-12m for the first episode. It's the sort of show loved by the broadsheets. It's a shame that Upstairs Downstairs was compared to it because that was good.

Doc Martin should return strongly especially as it's back in its Monday slot and with weak competition, I could see 7-8m. I think it will continue until Martin Clunes decides to end it, a final series would IMO be massive.
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Old 08-09-2011, 01:37
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I'd have thought the obvious answer was "because it sucks"? I thought we'd all just about agreed on that?! I'll be surprised if it holds up through the week. The first show may get some help tonight but the second one will be down, IMO.
Regardless of its quality the breakdowns from Monday suggest that when there's nothing of interest on BBC1 the mass audience will migrate to Red or Black. Monday night it was Panorama and this evening it was Village SOS and Who Do You Think You Are? can't hope to match New Tricks. If Red or Black did fall further tonight against weak(er) competition then I think the argument about whether its a complete bomb is probably over.
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Old 08-09-2011, 02:09
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In other news is that Simpsons number normal? It seems very high relative to the rest of the Channel 4 line-up...
Channel 4 started airing season 18 of The Simpsons on Monday, which has only previously been shown once on C4 I think. So viewers, myself included, maybe more tempted to watch at the moment. Channel 4 usually air a new series of The Simpsons in the autumn but I think they have already aired this year's new series (series 18) earlier in the year - probably to try and boost Hollyoaks.

Speaking of Hollyoaks it maybe time for some ratings analysis as I have seen a few posts saying it has been doing well recently. Ok it has been doing better relative to earlier this year, but year-on-year it is still down at the moment. Hollyoaks obviously brings in good demos though, so C4 will be looking to keep it on I would imagine.

Hollyoaks Channel 4 18:30 tape checked overnight monthly averages (exc +1)
..............2011...................2010..................2009........
Jan...1.21m (5.5%).......1.37m (5.9%).....1.70m (8.2%)
Feb...1.18m (5.6%)......1.31m (6.1%).....1.69m (7.8%)
Mar...1.09m (5.5%)......1.23m (6.0%).....1.66m (8.4%)
Apr....0.96m (5.4%)......1.04m (5.7%).....1.53m (8.6%)
May...0.97m (5.3%)......1.04m (5.9%).....1.51m (8.6%)
Jun....0.87m (5.0%)......0.96m (5.6%).....1.41m (8.3%)
Jul.....0.95m (5.4%)......1.05m (6.1%).....1.35m (7.8%)
Aug...1.02m (5.7%)......1.08m (6.2%).....1.28m (7.7%)
Sep...1.08m (6.9%)......1.16m (6.4%).....1.41m (8.0%)
Oct..............................1.06m (5.4%).....1.47m (7.6%)
Nov..............................1.26m (5.8%).....1.54m (7.5%)
Dec.............................1.11m (4.9%).....1.43m (7.0%)

Also worth noting that the other tea-time soaps, Neighbours and H&A are also down year on year at the moment, so not just Hollyoaks.
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Old 08-09-2011, 02:14
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Demos in brackets

8pm:
FNC - The O'Reilly Factor - 2,910,000m (679,000)
* Up 7% (+5%) vs August 2010
CNN - Anderson Cooper 360 - 662,000 (219,000)
* Up 47% (+74%)
MSNBC - Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell - 817,000 (199,000)
* Down 15% (-25%)

9pm:
FNC - Hannity - 2,088,000 (532,000
* Down 1% (-3%)
MSNBC - The Rachel Maddow Show - 925,000 (279,000)
* Up 12% (+21%)
CNN - Piers Morgan Tonight - 750,000 (227,000)
* Up 37% (+52%)

10pm:
FNC - On The Record with Greta Van Susteren - 1,821,000 (457,000)
* Up 2% (+1%)
CNN - Anderson Cooper 360 - 750,000 (267,000)
* Up 34% (+55%)
MSNBC - The Ed Show - 731,000 (220,000
* Up 37% (+8%)

Pretty heavy news month - Hurricane Irene and Libya pushing ratings up towards the end of the month. CNN benefitting most as well as gaining through moving Anderson Cooper into the 8pm slot. Lawrence O'Donnell was out for much of August so his numbers are lower than they otherwise would be.
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Old 08-09-2011, 02:43
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Sep...1.08m (6.9%)......1.16m (6.4%).....1.41m (8.0%)
oops this one should of been 5.9 not 6.9
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Old 08-09-2011, 04:04
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Just a quick ask
Would it be possible if anyone could get the ratings of the England Wales match by itv region. To see how ratings compared in England, Wales and NI.
Thanks.
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Old 08-09-2011, 04:32
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The first series of Downton Abbey was good so it may suffer from second series syndrome but I wouldn't surprise if it breaks 10-12m for the first episode. It's the sort of show loved by the broadsheets. It's a shame that Upstairs Downstairs was compared to it because that was good.

Doc Martin should return strongly especially as it's back in its Monday slot and with weak competition, I could see 7-8m. I think it will continue until Martin Clunes decides to end it, a final series would IMO be massive.
For Doc Martin, I think the Coronation Street lead-in is much stronger than the X Factor one...there will be little competition in that Monday 9pm slot - it should break 9m easy.
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Old 08-09-2011, 04:34
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Red or Black? will surely improve with all the press coverage, I'm thinking 5.5m-6m for last night...
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Old 08-09-2011, 07:06
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Holly Valance has fairly piled on the pounds since she married her billionaire !
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Demos in brackets

8pm:
FNC - The O'Reilly Factor - 2,910,000m (679,000)
* Up 7% (+5%) vs August 2010
CNN - Anderson Cooper 360 - 662,000 (219,000)
* Up 47% (+74%)
MSNBC - Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell - 817,000 (199,000)
* Down 15% (-25%)

9pm:
FNC - Hannity - 2,088,000 (532,000
* Down 1% (-3%)
MSNBC - The Rachel Maddow Show - 925,000 (279,000)
* Up 12% (+21%)
CNN - Piers Morgan Tonight - 750,000 (227,000)
* Up 37% (+52%)

10pm:
FNC - On The Record with Greta Van Susteren - 1,821,000 (457,000)
* Up 2% (+1%)
CNN - Anderson Cooper 360 - 750,000 (267,000)
* Up 34% (+55%)
MSNBC - The Ed Show - 731,000 (220,000
* Up 37% (+8%)

Pretty heavy news month - Hurricane Irene and Libya pushing ratings up towards the end of the month. CNN benefitting most as well as gaining through moving Anderson Cooper into the 8pm slot. Lawrence O'Donnell was out for much of August so his numbers are lower than they otherwise would be.
It'll be interesting to see the figures through the 2012 election,
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Old 08-09-2011, 07:21
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For Doc Martin, I think the Coronation Street lead-in is much stronger than the X Factor one...there will be little competition in that Monday 9pm slot - it should break 9m easy.
BBC2 has Dragon's Den and C4 has Embarrassing Bodies, both popular programmes for their channels.

BBC1 has The Queen's Palaces hosted by Fiona Bruce. It has a very impressive trailer. Lots of "ooh" shots of wealth and decadence. Should do better than SMTF (hard for it to do worse) and be close to BBC1's default audience of 4m.

But I still expect the Doc to at least match New Tricks' overnights.
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Old 08-09-2011, 09:16
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An predictions for the reality shows tomorrow and saturday?

Do you think the Big Brother Final tonight could make 4million?

I think it could make 3.8million and a peak of maybe 4.5m.

What will the launch of the normal series make? 6million?

I think SCD could make a launch of 9million. And the X Factor making 11million.
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Old 08-09-2011, 09:46
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Channel 4 started airing season 18 of The Simpsons on Monday, which has only previously been shown once on C4 I think. So viewers, myself included, maybe more tempted to watch at the moment. Channel 4 usually air a new series of The Simpsons in the autumn but I think they have already aired this year's new series (series 18) earlier in the year - probably to try and boost Hollyoaks.

Speaking of Hollyoaks it maybe time for some ratings analysis as I have seen a few posts saying it has been doing well recently. Ok it has been doing better relative to earlier this year, but year-on-year it is still down at the moment. Hollyoaks obviously brings in good demos though, so C4 will be looking to keep it on I would imagine.

Hollyoaks Channel 4 18:30 tape checked overnight monthly averages (exc +1)
..............2011...................2010..................2009........
Jan...1.21m (5.5%).......1.37m (5.9%).....1.70m (8.2%)
Feb...1.18m (5.6%)......1.31m (6.1%).....1.69m (7.8%)
Mar...1.09m (5.5%)......1.23m (6.0%).....1.66m (8.4%)
Apr....0.96m (5.4%)......1.04m (5.7%).....1.53m (8.6%)
May...0.97m (5.3%)......1.04m (5.9%).....1.51m (8.6%)
Jun....0.87m (5.0%)......0.96m (5.6%).....1.41m (8.3%)
Jul.....0.95m (5.4%)......1.05m (6.1%).....1.35m (7.8%)
Aug...1.02m (5.7%)......1.08m (6.2%).....1.28m (7.7%)
Sep...1.08m (6.9%)......1.16m (6.4%).....1.41m (8.0%)
Oct..............................1.06m (5.4%).....1.47m (7.6%)
Nov..............................1.26m (5.8%).....1.54m (7.5%)
Dec.............................1.11m (4.9%).....1.43m (7.0%)

Also worth noting that the other tea-time soaps, Neighbours and H&A are also down year on year at the moment, so not just Hollyoaks.
Hmmm, I thought it was up year-on-year, not down, so this surprises me. Not that good, in all honesty - I wonder if the timeshifted figures tell a different story?
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Old 08-09-2011, 09:52
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An predictions for the reality shows tomorrow and saturday?

Do you think the Big Brother Final tonight could make 4million? No
I think it could make 3.5m and a peak of maybe 4.3m.

What will the launch of the normal series make? 3.8million?

I think SCD could make a launch of 8million. And the X Factor making 11million.
I am probably completely wrong though, I am useless at predicting RTV, but I sense a lack of interest in BB so am going low.
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:07
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I am probably completely wrong though, I am useless at predicting RTV, but I sense a lack of interest in BB so am going low.
I think Red Or Black will do well tonight due to weaker competition in the 8pm slot. It's a case of people watching even though it's rubbish as there's nothing better on. Big Brother could dent it a little in the 9pm hour but will probably see it off.
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:16
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On that note, Red or Black's slowly being flushed down the drain...

Wednesday 7th September 2011
BBC1
06:00 - Breakfast: 1.6m (35.6%)
18:00 - BBC News at Six: 4.3m (24.8%)
18:30 - Regional News and Weather: 5.4m (28.4%)
19:00 - The One Show: 4.1m (20.8%)
19:30 - National Treasures Live: 3.0m (14.5%)
20:00 - Village SOS: 2.8m (12.7%)
21:00 - Who Do You Think You Are?: 5.4m (22.2%)
22:00 - BBC News at Ten: 4.4m (21.0%)
22:25 - Regional News and Weather / The National Lottery Wednesday Night Draws: 3.6m (19.6%)
22:45 - Live at the Apollo: 1.5m (12.7%)

BBC2
18:00 - Eggheads: 1.5m (8.4%)
18:30 - Reel History of Britain: 1.0m (5.2%)
19:00 - Dragons' Den: 1.1m (5.4%)
20:00 - Natural World: 2.3m (10.2%)
21:00 - Horizon: 1.4m (5.8%)
22:00 - Have I Got Old News for You: 1.1m (5.4%)
22:30 - Newsnight: 0.9m (6.5%)
23:20 - The Secret War on Terror: 0.5m (7.3%)

ITV (inc ITV+1)
06:00 - Daybreak: 0.8m (18.9%)
08:30 - Lorraine: 0.9m (17.1%)
09:25 - The Jeremy Kyle Show: 1.4m (24.8%)
18:30 - ITV News & Weather: 3.7m (19.5%)
19:00 - Emmerdale: 7.1m (33.8%)
20:00 - Red or Black?: 4.8m (21.0%)
21:00 - Coronation Street: 7.5m (29.2%)
21:30 - Red or Black?: 4.7m (19.1%)
22:00 - ITV News at Ten & Weather: 2.2m (10.3%)
22:35 - FILM: Mystery Men: 0.7m (7.4%)

C4 (inc C4+1)
18:00 - The Simpsons: 2.0m (9.3%)
18:30 - Hollyoaks: 1.1m (5.2%)
19:00 - Channel 4 News: 0.8m (3.7%)
20:00 - Location, Location, Location: 2.7m (11.4%)
21:00 - Bin Laden: Shoot to Kill: 2.6m (10.0%)
22:40 - Shameless: 0.5m (4.0%)
23:40 - Chris Moyles' Quiz Night: 0.3m (3.9%)

Five
18:00 - Home and Away: 0.8m (4.7%)
18:25 - OK! TV: 0.4m (2.0%)
19:00 - 5 News at 7: 0.2m (0.8%)
19:30 - Garden ER: 0.3m (1.5%)
20:00 - New Emergency Bikers: 1.2m (5.6%)
21:00 - JLC: Living Las Vegas: 0.6m (2.4%)
22:00 - Celebrity Big Brother: 2.1m (11.1%)
23:00 - FILM: Banged Up Abroad: 0.5m (5.0%)

Ratings include HD and are for the entire slot.
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:20
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Awful for ROB considering the competition and it hurt Corrie in the process which was only 0.4m infront of Emmerdale.

Slightly low for the penultimate episode of CBB-I'd have expected around 2.5m. Not surprised at how low JLC was though. I see The Beat Goes On has been dropped after 2 episodes. Wise move as Banged Up Abroad pulled in a decent audience and share in the 11pm slot.

Good night for Ch4. I didn't expect that much for the Bin Laden doc.
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:21
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Who Do You Think You Are held up very well against Red Or Black. Are the latter's ratings actually lower than Monday?
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