I've been travelling with work for the last 3 days if you must know. Last night I got home at 11.30pm after meetings that started at 7.30am. And a delayed flight. Now I'm reading this while eating a sandwich.

I'm glad the ambulance chasing business is so quiet that Robbies employer lets him post drivel all day here.

I'll post more later re ratings if people are missing me much

More ratings, tape-checked for the soaps:

BBC One
13:45 - Doctors: 1.67m (23.3%)

ITV1
19:00 - Emmerdale: 6.68m (34.3%)
* +1: 218k (1.0%)
21:00 - Coronation Street: 6.85m (28.0%)
* +1: 186k (0.9%)

Channel 4
18:30 - Hollyoaks: 990k (5.4%)
* +1: 150k (0.7%)

Channel 5
13:45 - Neighbours: 683k (9.4%)
17:30 - Neighbours: 1.04m (7.4%)
18:00 - Home and Away: 754k (4.6%)

Multichannels
5*
18:30 - Home and Away: 355k (1.9%)

BBC Three
22:00 - EastEnders: 825k (4.1%)

E4
19:00 - Hollyoaks: 452k (2.3%)
22:00 - Hollyoaks Later: 392k (2.2%)
* +1: 148k (1.6%)

Source: DS

You know scheduling has gone plainly wrong somewhere when Emmerdale is 170k behind Corrie!

People thought it was embarrassing when Nick Knowles started beating Ant & Dec but they're now being beaten by Chris Hollins, the bloke of Rogue Traders and Anne Robinson

Their first primetime ITV series 'Slap Bang with Ant and Dec' fell under 3m iirc and the first series of Soccer Aid had nightly shows on ITV1 which didn't perform too well either.

I'd be utterly amazed if it does.

Doctor Who will have the benefit of the Strictly lead-in on Saturday night which should boost its overnight performance and the Strictly launch show will clash with Red or Black as well. I think there's all of five minutes of Red or Black on Saturday that doesn't clash with Strictly or Who and that's the final five minutes when the audience will be switching over for The X Factor.

Also worth remembering that last week for its much hyped debut when there was still the chance of it being a major piece of event TV it was essentially locked in a dead heat opposite Doctor Who. The audience know what the show is now and know they don't like it.

The Strictly launch and Doctor Who should both be comfortably above 6 million on Saturday and there's no chance Red or Black hits that level now. Except perhaps for the second Saturday show immediately after The X Factor but I won't be holding my breath on that after last nights figures.

in other news any word on how the new comedies (Perfect Couples and Happy Endings) did on E4 last night?

I can see why they wanted to avoid Corrie but looking at its ratings this week it probably wouldn't have posed much of a threat after all.

I think it's more of a plot issue as to why Corrie isn't rating well. Carla just isn't an interesting character any more. She's been through so many changes I don't think the writers could tell you what her actual personality is. Ditto Leanne who went through a character mauling with her affair with 40 year old Nick Tilsley.

I think the storyline is quite good this week but being in the middle of Red or Black and out of its usual slot is obviously hurting it. ITV are probably just wishing they scheduled Red or Black from 9-10.30pm.

It only works during BGT week because BGT gets a massive audience.

Caludia obviously has amnesia, she seems to have forgotten all the money she wasted on Celebrity Love Island and Celebrity Wrestling.
While she did commission Popstars [and its follow ups Pop Idol and The X factor] and I'm a celebrity, I don't think she should be getting the credit for 'who wants to be a Millionaire' as the production company had to go over her head to finally get it on screen.

Incidently the last show to damage Corrie's ratings with scheduling was Celebrity Love Island.
Itv scheduled Corrie from 8.30-9.30 in order to boost it and Corrie's writers went public with their complaints over it.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2005...oadcasting.ITV

'Oaks later getting hit by CJ

I reckon it was more CBB denting both of them. CJ is very low. Hopefully it will be back up to the 2m mark soon.


I think you're virtually the only one on this forum who thinks that-Carla & Leanne are the big stars of the show right now. Carla's change has been totally realistic and in keeping with her character. Leanne's was also fitting with her character as she went back to her ex husband whilst her current one was battling alcoholism.

Some interesting stats from Attentional on CBB:

Was ambulance chasing one of the challenges on RoB or something?

Or is this Cowell's latest pitch to you for a new piece of "event TV"?

Slap Bang was a disaster, it ended up at half past five with repeats of Catchphrase flung into its old slot, and of course had the embarrassment of being beaten by their old show Friends Like These.

World Idol was mentioned on the other page, which was another example of scale getting in the way, because the great thing about Pop Idol was that we grew to know and love the contestants as the weeks went on, but on World Idol it was just Will and some singers we'd never heard of or seen before. And as well as a singer from every country, there was a judge from every country as well, so at least one judge said one sentence, so it was people we don't know being judged by people we don't know. As well as the fact it was flawed because none of the contestants cared who won because they were already famous anyway.

I don't know why people persist with the idea that shows have to be big, it just alienates the audience.

Robbie stop going on about Red or Black will you. Yes everybody knows it's a flop but it's really getting annoying with you going on about it.

Anyway back to last night Torchwood did ok for BBC 1 I don't think it will come back though.

Fair is fair Sam, if it had done well we would have had pages upon pages of people saying that Simon Cowell is a genius, and gloating that BBC had been 'crushed', Swings and roundabouts.

Yeah because when The X factor rates well, people don't go on about it................

Well for Simons biggest fan it is


Ouch, I just looked at a clip on You Tube where they had to plug the next show in the line up 'New You've been Framed' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h3MmY71tp8
I think the first series of Takeaway also had poorish ratings until it was completely revamped for its second series.

Maybe but I'm happy to be in a minority of one. DS is hardly the bastion of critical review now is it.

As well acted as Carla and Leanne's stories often are it just means nothing when they continuously throw big story after big story at a character.

Ironically EE is much better at writing for character at the moment which was always Corrie's biggest strength. I love the fact that after 26 years on screen we're still discovering more about Dot through the introduction of her sister, Rose.

Tanya Branning is a central figure in EE, like Carla and Leanne are in Corrie but there's breathing space between her big stories which is why the character works. There's also some brilliant development going on right now with us finding out more about her family so it's not all shock storylines like cancer either. By comparison Carla/Leanne just seem to follow the issue of the day alcoholism/miscarriages/affairs. It's all about the dramatic side of things. None of it means anything if there's no character building around it.

Just so people don't think this is about Corris Vs. EE I also think Emmerdale is much better at character development than Corrie. It's just a shame it chooses to focus on nothing characters like Amy and Victoria for episodes on end.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...or-black-pilot

The trial programme was never transmitted or publicised, said Claudia Rosencrantz, the controller of entertainment at ITV who commissioned it.

She said on Friday she spotted two flaws when analysing the programme. "I didn't believe people would like to see someone win a vast sum of money, with no skills at all involved. Second, gambling is not a spectator sport, you get an adrenaline rush from participating in it.

"I also did not like the idea of a show about gambling, which I personally loathe. If [ITV chairman] Archie Norman had asked my advice I would have saved him a lot of money.".


Sounds like she's lobbying to get her old job back.

Yeah - its quite bizarre how ED seems to have been given a boost by RoB, yet Corrie has been squeezed hard - even its share is low.

I think the ratings speak for themselves and prove viewer fatigue with these characters. The likes of Peter/Carla/Leanne are never off screen in Corrie. This particular 'love triangle' was a bad idea in the first place. Carla's had so many 'loves' it's hard to know what she really feels now - I doubt she knows herself. She's so OTT.

im sorry but there is one thing I can say this point

LMAO

ok not my most intellgent post ever, but its my honest reaction to those ratings.

I still chuckle as I type it.


that was an interesting read, thanks for posting, speaks volumes about the changes at ITV.


that is almost enough to make me consider watching Big Brother

which reminds me, it looks like Channel 5 is starting a trend.

http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2011/09/...e-in-2012.html

For anyone who wants to know im still chuckling.

I thought Robbie/Charnham/Jake/Georged123 (sorry if I've missed anyone!) would have to wait until tonight for some sub 4m ratings.

While obviously a flop, I'd say the main problem with Red or Black isn't so much its own ratings - there should be a certain amount of budgeting for failure when it comes to trying out new formats - but it's taking a fair bit off Corrie as well.


Channel4Sales have 410,000 for Perfect Couples including +1. The Big Bang Theory got 940,000 (inc +1).

Nothing for How I Met Your Mother or Happy Endings.


Quite interesting really - Talkback Thames were cut out entirely, it seems. I didn't realise they were ever involved. Although I think the actual format itself had been reshaped over the years. In film, a show that sits in "development hell" for years usually ends up being a flop.

One of the main things is that they're not actually gambling. It's not like they've been given a prize amount and then have the option of playing another round or quitting and going home with what they have (this is the key element in Deal or No Deal).

Elaine Bedell probably has some choice words for Ms Rosencrantz just now! And with their long running knowledge of TV, Archie Norman and Adam Crozier are probably saying "who is this Claudia woman?"

Things are definitely starting to look poor for ITV's entertainment development in the past few years. No real hits, a few flops and a failure to develop new on-screen talent, failure to keep current talent (Ant & Dec) supplied with decent formats. Then they've got January to look forward to when they've basically got nothing and the BBC have a proven new talent show format. I guess the second shot at 71 Degrees North is their best hope for the rest of this year?

I had a feeling it was going to be that clip.

I thought Outcasts was a shoe-in for the award but its got real competition now!


Last year's UBB would be the best comparison.

Im sure C5 will be happy with 3m for two hours of primetime. Usuaully with a final of BB it's the last BB of either format for at least 4 months. When you have the next series startight in 24 hours, its hard to sell the show as a special event.


Firstly, thanks for including me in a group of such esteemed posters.

Secondly, what do you mean by "budgeting for failure"? Are you saying ITV should be spending many millions on a new show, giving it the cushiest scheduling in the history of TV and massive promotion for weeks just to fail?

just for the record, I didnt think it would flop quite like this.

Syco viewers haver gone up in my estimation this week.