C'mon to f*ck though babes, he's being very selfish and you sort of are aswell I mean I know what it feels like when people split up over these things, my parents split because of one of my dad's affairs and it hurt like f**k for a long time (they got back together but that's no the point)

Just think of the people that the both of you are hurting, I know you might be going through a difficult time too but doesn't mean that woman and her child should just be seen as collateral.

You're making it out to be like I'm having a sordid little affair and plan to break up this man's marriage It couldn't be further from the truth. It's sex, there are no feelings involved, nothing. We ****, and leave. He's a bisexual man, and has needs that is wife simply cannot fulfil. Wherever or not he has sexuality issues is not my problem. We use each other for one thing, and one thing only.

Take a look at the world we live in. People kill, they commit crimes, they steal, they cheat etc. That is life, and shit happens. We don't live in a perfect world, where right and wrong are seperated and defined clearly. Good people do stupid things, especially young cunts such as myself. I refuse to feel guilty about this.

use your hand and walk away, no matter how you try to justify it you cant pull out the "he has needs his wife cant fullfill" crap, i dont buy that, he made a choice to wed her, you made a choice to shag him, its all in your court, if she finds out and decides to leave then you are as guilty as he is and if you dont feel guilt then i would worry.

I kind of feel bad for SL here, it's so easy to moralise, but really, all he's done is shag someone who wanted to shag him.

There's no crime in consensual sex, and it's down to the dick to look after his wife and children's feelings, not SL's.

I'm not saying I'd be putting myself in the same situation any time soon, but, I don't think it's fair to demonise SL.

I know what I mean in my head, but it's not really coming across the way I want to in type.

i know where your coming from, coz ive shagged taken blokes but there comes a point were your morals and empathy for the wife and kids left at home kicks in.
and thats when you grow a pair and say "im better than this, and i dont want a part of this sordid tale" no one needs or wants sex that bad that they would shit over someones family, thats my opinion.

I don't think he's shitting over someone's family though. The guy engaging in extra-marital sex is doing that surely?

yes but SL is part of that, hes not saying no, that doesnt mean he doesnt have a moral responsibility, he knows he is married, its just sex, nothing else there, its not like its passion taking over (not that that would make it right but it would at least be more understandable) hes as responsible as the married man, he knows what he is doing and yet does not care, the whole "if it werent me it would be another dude" wouldnt wash with me either, its him, and also he seems to be revelling in it.

Thank you, someone who finally sees my point.

It's so easy for people to judge, but the truth is none of us are perfect and whiter then white. Like Christmas Cake has said, all I'm doing is engaging in sexual activity. I'm not planning to break the marriage up and run off with into the sunset with him and leave the kid without a father.

And I'm not shitting over this man's family at all. It is his choice! I can't say that enough times. Whatever happens in the future with him and his family has no bearing on anything right now. I'm one of many, I'm not making a difference either way. He's perfectly happy living the life the way it is, and who am I to say "No what you're doing is wrong and you need to stop". I have no right to make that judgement upon him.

All it comes down is this, two consenting adults having sex. If us two don't bring the family matters into it, then anyone else who judge's shouldn't either.

Hmm, I kind of see where you're coming from too, it's not an easy situation.

its your life but understand what you do with this man does impact on his family, just because you cant see it does not mean it does not have an effect, affairs and one night stands with people in relationships always do.
and all that "its his choice" and its your choice to abandon morals for a cheap thrill when there are 1000's of blokes who are single who would happly have a ONS with frankly anyone.
the house of cards always falls down.
but you'll do what you want to because you want to and hang the consequences, been there and done that and now feel sick to my stomach with guilt.
personally now i wouldnt touch a bloke that was taken, i value myself way to much to know thats the best i could do for a meaningless shag.

no its not and i feel guilt over what i did i my past, its just not on really, if someone did that to me now i would hate my lad for cheating but i would hate the person he cheated with just as much if they knew he was taken and yet carried on with there of selfish behaviour, its not like a one night stand with a single bloke is hard to get when your young and gay, i mean its everywhere.
well ive said my piece, it wont make a difference i know but its said.

I've unfortunately made my points clear on this matter. =(

Let's all look at a picture of Tom Daley : http://i.imgur.com/sf7Wk.jpg

isnt he like 12

Well I don't feel any guilt, sorry but I don't. I don't believe I should either, the guy was very willing and consenting, so why make the matter complicated? We had fun, we're both on the same wavelength. it's safe, what's the problem? And whose to say the wife isn't doing exactly the same as well?

I think some people in here need to take a good look at the real world, this is life and this shit happens all the time. Trying to be perfect and moralistic just doesn't work. People do stupid things, it's human nature. You can't go through life trying to do the "right" thing all the time, it doesn't work. You have the experience the bad and the good, you make mistakes, you do stupid things, that's how you learn and subsequently grow as a person.

And that's another thing, yes I might be a gobshite cunt, but I am not a bad person and I'm also not naive, something quite a few people in this thread appear too be. I'm not saying I've done "it all", I'm 22 and I've experienced some things and had the shit hit the fan a few times, and gained general life experience. It's not all about first kisses, glee, university fees and coursework, life is tough. And it's even tougher as a gay man.

All of us are in for a shitty time, life isn't gonna be easy for us at all. We can make it tolerable and good and fun at times, but we will always be disavantaged and discriminated against. Like my ex said, it's shit but you gonna do your best. I can see his point now fully, even if I do end up like him in 20 years time. But the thing is I'm having fun, I've done stuff in the past year I would never have done a few years ago. It's been the best year of my life, and most eventful.

None of you are perfect, and I'm not saying I am either.

doesnt mean you cant look at whats not perfect and try and improve, better than lying down and saying **** it the world is a shitty place so you know what im going to be a shitty person and do shitty things.
the world dont owe you anything, you owe it to yourself to be a good and honest person, the best you can.
lifes tough but you dont have to make it so, you can make life better and aspire to be more than just a walking cliche.
anyway you will just moralise it to your own advantage so theres no point in trying to get through to people like that.

He's 17.


It's not!?

He'd literally make the perfect boyfriend... YUMMY

he is? shit hes grown, i remember the bairn jumping into a pool in china, god thats seems ages away, i will see him when i go to 2012 though, i got good seats for the diving, you jealous CC

He's lovely too, I've watched his twitcam things, he talked to me once!

But sadly he seems to be straight.




Definitely jealous!

Won't be when I get my hands on him .

i didnt even want to go i just picked a whole load of sports so i could at least see some i hope he wins now, i liked that canuck bloke that wins alot and that aussie gayboy that won a silver or a gold last time? mathew mitchim? he was a looker.

tom daley straight? oh i dont think so, i mean ok so not all gayboys are camp and shit like that but hes got a little gay in him im sure

Haha!

He's such a hottie right!


Matthew Mitcham is a definite hottie too!

At what point did I say I was a shitty person and I'm gonna do shitty things? I clearly said I'm not a bad person. I haven't done anything shitty either. This whole thing has been blown out of proportion.

I am a good and honest person, but going around doing everything right and sensible does not work. That isn't living either, like I said you got to take the good with the bad.

So you're on your deathbed, and you're thinking about your life, what would you prefer?

> I did everything right, I had morals, I followed the rules, never spoke or did anything out of turn, I was sensible person. Not a bad thing to say.

> Yes I ****ed up on occasions and the shit hit the fan some times, but I took away valvable lessons and experience from it and used it to grow and educate myself. I tried and experienced it all, I don't have any regrets or "what if" thoughts, I lived life to the full. Not perfect, but I certainly lived it and enjoyed it.

I know what I would choose.