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WHATM:BBUSA13 6pm-6pm BST (10am-10am BBT) Sep 1-2 Spoilers Included
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mindset
02-09-2011
Rachel asks Jordan, then Adam if they want to "celebrate".

She answered my question....
mazey
02-09-2011
Originally Posted by mindset:
“No, but Jeff discovered the way to play Adam is to make him feel included in decisions and Adam has admitted this much himself.

So do they "include" him and thus expose his loyalties, to Porsche and Kalia? Or do they play him on the down low and risk excluding him and weaken whatever loyalty he has for them?”

OK, Jeff was good at instinct level stuff.

I think J and R have already spoken with him as a part of their gang, Jordan has stayed chatting with him. Tomorrow will be the test.

Now they have some booze.
mazey
02-09-2011
Oooh, at some point Porshe tried using her sex appeal on Jeff, Jordan has not forgotten or forgiven.

Adam thinks he is safe.
mindset
02-09-2011
Jordan:"Porsche's always trying to use her sex appeal"

Adam:"Don't worry she's just a friend, it'll take a lot more than that..."

Adam:"For this to work, she has to put both of them up"
mindset
02-09-2011
Rachel alone in the HoH room, "I do not like being up here without Brendon"

Listen to your mother's wise words, sweetie
mindset
02-09-2011
Rachel to Jordan:"Do we keep Porsche or do we keep Kalia?"

That rather depends on the who wins the Veto my dear.
Sad_BB_Addict
02-09-2011
Rachel telling Jordan Kalia was stronger in physical stuff, but Porsche was good on skills.
Who to keep? Next game will be questions, but POV more important than HOH.
mindset
02-09-2011
Rachel and Jordan think Kalia is more dangerous than Porsche.

I recall Jeff thinking that too, where is he now?
mindset
02-09-2011
Kalia is the "official" target.
Sad_BB_Addict
02-09-2011
Do R&J each think they would win if they were the F2, or is each planning to ditch the other at the final stage to be F2 with Adam?
mindset
02-09-2011
Originally Posted by Sad_BB_Addict:
“Do R&J each think they would win if they were the F2, or is each planning to ditch the other at the final stage to be F2 with Adam?”

In their conversations with each other, they each think the other might win. I haven't heard Rachel talking about F2 with Adam, but Jordan has dropped a hint or two to him.
mazey
02-09-2011
Originally Posted by Sad_BB_Addict:
“Do R&J each think they would win if they were the F2, or is each planning to ditch the other at the final stage to be F2 with Adam?”

I don't think they will have that choice. I have a good record for supporting people who lose in BB.

If they get over that jinx, Rachel still has to survive next week when she cannot compete for HoH and has to rely on Jordan or Adam to win HoH, if Adam stays loyal, or herself or Jordan to win POV.
mindset
02-09-2011
Originally Posted by mazey:
“I don't think they will have that choice. I have a good record for supporting people who lose in BB.

If they get over that jinx, Rachel still has to survive next week when she cannot compete for HoH and has to rely on Jordan or Adam to win HoH, if Adam stays loyal, or herself or Jordan to win POV.”

The HoH doesn't matter to Rachel next week (so long as it's not Porsche or Kalia). Only the Veto holder votes.
Sad_BB_Addict
02-09-2011
The Final Fiveness Toast
http://twitpic.com/6er4zs
mazey
02-09-2011
Originally Posted by mindset:
“The HoH doesn't matter to Rachel next week (so long as it's not Porsche or Kalia). Only the Veto holder votes.”

The F4 HoH chooses who goes, no? POV can change that? I forget each season.

I just want a gag on Kalia. Easily pleased, me.
mindset
02-09-2011
Originally Posted by mazey:
“ The F4 HoH chooses who goes, no? POV can change that? I forget each season.

I just want a gag on Kalia. Easily pleased, me.”

Winning the F4 HoH provides safety and a ticket to the F3. Only the PoV holder can vote. If Rachel hadn't won this HoH, she would have had to win the Veto tomorrow, or face certain eviction. At least now, she will face one less serious competitor (Kalia or Porsche) for the F4 Veto.
mazey
02-09-2011
Originally Posted by mindset:
“Winning the F4 HoH provides safety and a ticket to the F3. Only the PoV holder can vote. If Rachel hadn't won this HoH, she would have had to win the Veto tomorrow, or face certain eviction. At least now, she will face one less serious competitor (Kalia or Porsche) for the F4 Veto.”

I will have to read this again after some sleep. I do not have any coloured beans to work out the permutations.
InMyArms
02-09-2011
Originally Posted by mindset:
“Winning the F4 HoH provides safety and a ticket to the F3. Only the PoV holder can vote. If Rachel hadn't won this HoH, she would have had to win the Veto tomorrow, or face certain eviction. At least now, she will face one less serious competitor (Kalia or Porsche) for the F4 Veto.”

No.

The F4 PoV holder can't always vote, considering the PoV holder can also be the HoH (This last happened just last year!).

Had Jordan won HoH this week, and then won PoV too - she could have single-handedly kept Rachel safe - so not certain eviction.

Having the F4 HoH wanting to keep you off the block can be a massive advantage, as it gives you a 50% chance of being safe instead of the 25% chance for the initial nominees. (As 50% of PoV players want to keep them safe, instead of 25%)

I know its very unlikely, but Kalia and Porsche could technically both survive this week. If they're both nominated, Adam wins the veto (Unlikely!), saves one of them (Even more unlikely!), and Jordan would then be nominated and evicted.
mindset
02-09-2011
Originally Posted by InMyArms:
“No.

The F4 PoV holder can't always vote, considering the PoV holder can also be the HoH”

No. The PoV HOLDER is the only vote at F4. The HoH can be the PoV WINNER, but since the HoH can't vote they would give it to the HOLDER.

Brendon won the PoV and was therefore the PoV winner. But he gave it to Rachel, making her the PoV HOLDER.
InMyArms
02-09-2011
Originally Posted by mindset:
“No. The PoV HOLDER is the only vote at F4”

No.

Consider this.

Final 4 are: A, B, C and D.

A is HoH.
A nominates B and C.
A (HoH) wins the Veto.
A chooses not to use the veto
D is the only houseguest allowed to vote, D is not the veto holder - A is as it wasn't given to anyone..
mindset
02-09-2011
Originally Posted by InMyArms:
“No.

Consider this.

Final 4 are: A, B, C and D.

A is HoH.
A nominates B and C.
A (HoH) wins the Veto.
A chooses not to use the veto
D is the only houseguest allowed to vote, D is not the veto holder - A is as it wasn't given to anyone..”

Right. If the F4 HoH wins the Veto and is confident that the only un-nominated HG will vote the way they want, then the Veto will not be used.
mindset
02-09-2011
The HG's having fun imagining the scale of Shelly's lies in the Jury House.

"I swear Brendon, I saw Rachel having threesomes with Adam and Porsche in the purple room!"

I can see it now.....
Kyle123
02-09-2011
The HoH can't vote in the final 4 week. Neither can the two nominees. Therefore, the fourth player is the one to vote. If the HoH wins veto, he can keep his nominations the same if he chooses, giving the third player the power to evict someone. If one of the two inital nominees win the veto, they can take themselves down, and earn the vote to evict.

Last season, Hayden won both competitions in the F4, nominating Lane and Britney, and leaving the vote to Enzo.
Sad_BB_Addict
02-09-2011
The Diabolical Supergenius's recap of last night's show
http://bigbrothernetwork.com/big-bro...-matt-hoffman/

Entertainment Weekly recap
http://tvrecaps.ew.com/recap/big-bro...helly-evicted/

Reality Blurred recap
http://www.realityblurred.com/realit...shelly-evicted
Kyle123
02-09-2011
http://forums.jokersupdates.com/ubbt...umber=16572624

Cassi has gotten work Interesting to read that she was chosen for ANTM, but pulled out. I always thought she'd have done well on ANTM. She has the personality they go for, and is obviously gorgeous.
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